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  • Nov 27, 2013, 02:33 PM
    talaniman
    Trust me. Now about the breeding thing..?
  • Nov 27, 2013, 02:48 PM
    paraclete
    well tal they tell me that fat women have fewer babies so I expect control of breeding won't be a problem in either of our countries since there are a lot of overfed people. the answer appears simple; expand the food supply, the implementation; more Mcdonald's and KFC outlets, a real weapon against population growth
  • Nov 27, 2013, 03:20 PM
    talaniman
    Somebody has been telling you wrong.
  • Nov 27, 2013, 03:27 PM
    paraclete
    how so
  • Nov 27, 2013, 03:42 PM
    talaniman
    Fat people may have or will have health issues, but they can breed just as much as skinny people.
  • Nov 27, 2013, 03:45 PM
    paraclete
    My observation is that obese women have great difficulty falling pregnant but don't worry, with the march of the gays the human race will soon die out
  • Nov 27, 2013, 03:49 PM
    tomder55
    we whack our babies in the US each year at about the same rate that Hitler wacked the Jews. That's the Malthusian solution I was talking about .
  • Nov 27, 2013, 03:55 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    My observation is that obese women have great difficulty falling pregnant but don't worry, with the march of the gays the human race will soon die out

    TMI, please, spare us the details of your observations... EWW! You need a better hobby.
  • Nov 27, 2013, 04:23 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    TMI, please, spare us the details of your observations... EWW! You need a better hobby.

    I have a better hobby, I do this to annoy the rednecks
  • Nov 27, 2013, 06:13 PM
    smoothy
    I was never a fan of the fat ones myself. Never once thought to myself, I want to knock this beefy one up.
  • Nov 27, 2013, 06:15 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    I was never a fan of the fat ones myself. Never once thought to myself, I want to knock this beefy one up.

    Yes we do get to a point where fat is unattractive
  • Nov 29, 2013, 04:41 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Kudos doesn't get you better relations Tom, we are in two diplomatic storms now and both because we supported you. We must all assume China has weighed the risks and has decided that one aircraft carrier is enough to hold back the americans

    and kudos to Tony Abbott
    Tony Abbott refuses to back down over China comments
  • Nov 29, 2013, 05:21 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post

    fact is we didn't need to say anything other than to express our concern, and only then because we have the chairmanship of the security council, we should have been speaking only in that capacity and not as a nation.
  • Dec 3, 2013, 09:33 PM
    paraclete
    Now we are intergenerationally inept or is that intergenerationally unjust?


    Watch out for climate 'surprises,' scientists warn - CNN.com

    the latest shot in the climate war is at the one time is saying don't expect quick change, but look out for sudden change and on the other hand saying we should be micro-measuring changes. I think I would like these guys to go beyond their research grants, stop being part of the problem and give us some real solutions

    ie;
    .recognise Tuvalu is going under and proactively relocate it's citizens, as a well as the many peoples who live literally at sea level.
    .develop and adopt innovative technologies which move us away from carbon based fuels
    .make cities energy generating instead of energy dependent, food producing instead of food dependent

    so far development remains very costly in carbon based fuels to produce alternatives
  • Dec 4, 2013, 06:11 AM
    speechlesstx
    As in "our wildly inaccurate fear mongering hasn't panned out so 'surprise, hurricane - we told you so'!"
  • Dec 4, 2013, 07:33 AM
    talaniman
    Us humans are sorely unprepared for what Mother Nature brings us no matter the science, fear, or rhetoric.

    Maybe spending more on preparation would be better than waiting for the inevitable rebuilding. Maybe save some lives in the process.
  • Dec 4, 2013, 11:29 AM
    smoothy
    Survival of the fittest... the people that refused to leave because they were expecting limo service in New Orleans... shoud be the first to drown... The Gulf coast would be a better place if they had. That applies everywhere.
  • Dec 4, 2013, 12:59 PM
    paraclete
    so the general consensus is we are stupid or at least some of us are. It has always been that the rich get to live in the heights and the poor in the lowlands.

    The question isn't about scaremongering, even if we have had more than enough of that, but realisation the change is going to mean that nice beachfront property is undesirable and we will have to find a new mouring for the yacht
  • Dec 4, 2013, 01:04 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    so the general consensus is we are stupid or at least some of us are. It has always been that the rich get to live in the heights and the poor in the lowlands.

    The question isn't about scaremongering, even if we have had more than enough of that, but realisation the change is going to mean that nice beachfront property is undesirable and we will have to find a new mouring for the yacht

    You aren't stupid for living in a low lying area... some very valuable and beautiful land is in low lying areas...

    Stupid people sit there and wait for someone to move them when a really bad storm is on its way. The smart ones find a way and move themselves to safety.
  • Dec 4, 2013, 01:10 PM
    paraclete
    smoothy, the point is low land areas are going to become less desirable. On Tuvalu what was beachfront is now inundated part of the time. Those people need an option which noone is offering and that is the key, not so much giving them the transport, but the options. I expect the people in New Orleans didn't move because there were no offers and the football stadium wasn't a great idea afterall
  • Dec 4, 2013, 01:24 PM
    Tuttyd
    More social Darwinism smoothy? Please tell us more.
  • Dec 4, 2013, 01:40 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    smoothy, the point is low land areas are going to become less desirable. On Tuvalu what was beachfront is now inundated part of the time. Those people need an option which noone is offering and that is the key, not so much giving them the transport, but the options. I expect the people in New Orleans didn't move because there were no offers and the football stadium wasn't a great idea afterall

    The people in New Orleans didn't leave because they were lazy bums that were expecting someone to move them... and since the mayor (Nagan) ran for the hills nobody did.

    Sure some land will become less valuable... and even worthless... but there will be other land that was furhter away and will replace it as beach front and become more valuable.


    And that's assuming it actually does rise as much as they claim. Which I seriously doubt since they can't predict the weather for the next week very well.
  • Dec 4, 2013, 01:48 PM
    smoothy
    Some people are really too dumb to be allowed to breed... so you let them die off by their own devices... The herd will thin itself out if left alone. Nobody really needs to actively thin it out.....it will just take longer this way.

    Its been that way since the first preditory multicell organism killed its first other organism....and it will always be this this way....its the law of nature.

    You can't eliminate entropy either....you can only hold it off temporarily.
  • Dec 4, 2013, 01:51 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    The people in New Orleans didn't leave because they were lazy bums that were expecting someone to move them... and since the nayor ran for the hills nobody did.

    Sure some land will become less valuable... and even worthless... but there will be other land that was furhter away and will replace it as beach front and become more valuable.


    And that's assuming it actually does rise as much as they claim. Which I seriously doubt since they can't predict the weather for the next week very well.

    They don't know how much it will rise, but events demonstrate that a number of areas will be at greater risk. I can't remember anyone talking about storm surges when I was young, but it is a regular feature of storms now and the Phillipines is an example of a warming sea fueling a storm. There are two risks, melting ice and a heating ocean, both give rise to higher sea levels.

    We don't have to predict the weather to know we will experience various weather conditions and that certain areas are at risk. Prudent planning would suggest that people need to be encouraged to move from these areas
  • Dec 4, 2013, 01:55 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    They don't know how much it will rise, but events demonstrate that a number of areas will be at greater risk. I can't remember anyone talking about storm surges when I was young, but it is a regular feature of storms now and the Phillipines is an example of a warming sea fueling a storm. There are two risks, melting ice and a heating ocean, both give rise to higher sea levels.

    We don't have to predict the weather to know we will experience various weather conditions and that certain areas are at risk. Prudent planning would suggest that people need to be encouraged to move from these areas

    Storm surges always existed... and always will.

    Doubt me... look up Galviston... the city was literally scrapped off the earth during a hurricane in 1900... it was the storm surge that did it.
  • Dec 4, 2013, 02:02 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Storm surges always existed... and always will.

    Doubt me... look up Galviston... the city was literally scrapped off the earth during a hurricane in 1900... it was the storm surge that did it.

    Yes more in your part of the world than mine, I didn't say they didn't exist, let me phrase it another way, they were rarely part of weather predictions and are more regularly predicted now. I expect we understand more about the mechanics of storms now.

    We need to be proactive in dealing with the affects of climate change, and we need to stop saying we can stop or reverse the effects, that is science fiction, not scientific fact. The only scientic fact on this subject I will concede is that change is occuring
  • Dec 4, 2013, 02:15 PM
    Tuttyd
    Yes, smoothy this is more or less what social Dawinism is about. Perhaps you can justify these ideas to those people who survived the devastation of such social theories during the mid part of the 20th century.
  • Dec 4, 2013, 03:22 PM
    smoothy
    No Tuttyd, its people like you that forced the aboriginies and Indians into "reeducation schools" and even sterilized them... stole the wealth from the people that earned it to give to the people that didn't etc... that was done by those promoting social "equity" no matter who they had to steal from to do it. Not unlike inner city thugs do every day.

    I and my ancestors weren't. We were busy clawing our way up the ladder to get where we are... which is far from gated communities or even mansions... but what we got we earned every dime of... its wasn't stolen off someone who worked harder, took greater risks or was just luckier than we were.
  • Dec 4, 2013, 07:37 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    No Tuttyd, its people like you that forced the aboriginies and Indians into "reeducation schools" and even sterilized them... stole the wealth from the people that earned it to give to the people that didn't etc... that was done by those promoting social "equity" no matter who they had to steal from to do it. Not unlike inner city thugs do every day.

    I and my ancestors weren't. We were busy clawing our way up the ladder to get where we are... which is far from gated communities or even mansions... but what we got we earned every dime of... its wasn't stolen off someone who worked harder, took greater risks or was just luckier than we were.


    How can you project that on Tutt or anyoneelse for that matter?

    For the record, before you include me in your neo-Nazi utopia. I regard myself as part of a stolen generation, a person who because of "do-gooders and general stickybeaks" was removed from my family at birth. I and many of my countrymen do not wish to interfere with aboriginal people but we feel that those who choose to live among us need to assimilate so that they too can benefit as a full member of our society. Those who choose to live a traditional life in some remote place are welcome to it.

    Please don't project the ills of your society on us.
  • Dec 5, 2013, 03:13 AM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    How can you project that on Tutt or anyoneelse for that matter?

    For the record, before you include me in your neo-Nazi utopia. I regard myself as part of a stolen generation, a person who because of "do-gooders and general stickybeaks" was removed from my family at birth. I and many of my countrymen do not wish to interfere with aboriginal people but we feel that those who choose to live among us need to assimilate so that they too can benefit as a full member of our society. Those who choose to live a traditional life in some remote place are welcome to it.

    Please don't project the ills of your society on us.

    Thanks clete, very well put.

    Smoothy has made some interesting claims about me.I wonder if he is prepared to supply some evidence for assessment. For example, my support for compulsory sterilization. Like everyone,he has access to all of my posts over an extended time frame.

    I invite him to supply the evidence.
  • Dec 5, 2013, 05:37 AM
    talaniman
    You don't need evidence for nasty personal attacks Tut.
  • Dec 5, 2013, 05:53 AM
    paraclete
    Yes Tal there are some who make it personal, I always think it is because they are loosing the argument.

    Climate change is being used as an excuse for a socialist agenda in certain places, and it must be resisted, not because it isn't happening, but because our puny efforts will change very little. Carbon taxes and trading schemes are at the forefront of this agenda and the excuse for a great wealth transfer to under developed nations. let the oil rich nations give the underdeveloped nations more money to build sand islands because they are not going to get mine
  • Dec 5, 2013, 06:02 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    How can you project that on Tutt or anyoneelse for that matter?

    For the record, before you include me in your neo-Nazi utopia. I regard myself as part of a stolen generation, a person who because of "do-gooders and general stickybeaks" was removed from my family at birth. I and many of my countrymen do not wish to interfere with aboriginal people but we feel that those who choose to live among us need to assimilate so that they too can benefit as a full member of our society. Those who choose to live a traditional life in some remote place are welcome to it.

    Please don't project the ills of your society on us.


    I put it on him because of his high and mighty attitude... and the fact it's the very same people who act like they know better than everyone else what is good for them that have done those very same things throughout history...

    And almost always its "been for their own good" or they don't know better so we will do it for them"

    And it really is still taking place today....with the morons that are trying to force Obamacare on everyone and "redistribute the wealth".

    And incidently that post wasn't directed at you...but if you are going to pull that game......you better take a long hard look about what you have been doing yourself...including your thread about how you are trying to dump off on the USA for the results of your own countries spying against Indonesia....(every countrry spys so just own up to it)

    Take a bit of your own advice and don't try to project the ills of your own society on others as well. Assuming you don't want to appear to be a hypocrit. And Practice what you preach. Which basically means there isn't a society out there that hasn't done something along those lines in the past or isn't trying to do it in some way today.
  • Dec 5, 2013, 06:39 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    And almost always its "been for their own good" or they don't know better so we will do it for them"

    And it really is still taking place today....with the morons that are trying to force Obamacare on everyone and "redistribute the wealth".
    Yup , since the progressive era began ,it's been the 'progressive man's burden ' to drag society along to their vision of utopia .
  • Dec 5, 2013, 07:19 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Yup , since the progressive era began ,it's been the 'progressive man's burden ' to drag society along to their vision of utopia .
    Venezuela is doing what these guys want, throwing greedy capitalists in jail, making goods affordable and other populist measures. Of course they can't keep the lights on but that's obviously right-wing sabotage.

    Meanwhile, it's a toasty 14 degrees in Texas this morning. But the lights and heaters are on.
  • Dec 5, 2013, 07:23 AM
    talaniman
    Yeah I remember the silent majority, and the family values crew. Supply siders all, and wealth redistribution that empowered the few to control what the trickle rate was. At least Reagan raised taxes, and grew government as needed to keep a semi rational balance, and move the economy to some sustained growth.

    The part we miss of that era was the transition to lower wage jobs and the beginnings of blue collar jobs shrinking and moving over seas after they went south to Mexico to extract cheap labor. And bring dope to sell to fund and arm the next generation of terrorists. Yeah Reagan sold Saddam and Iran all kinds of gas and arms to pay for releasing those hostages that doomed Carter, while touting all those McDonalds jobs and create servants for rich guys.

    Nobody cared about those migrant slaves back then until the blue collar jobs started to disappear, and then we needed a fence to stop it. Now instead of building bridges and roads we want to put a bunch of money on the borders and still get fed the line that that the growing poor class are lazy and need no safety net but the job creators need more money to invest overseas to extract more money and trickle down NOTHING.

    Get rich and blame progressives why you are poor, while the rich suck the money into their own coffers. Have been for decades but nooooooooo conservatives rather holler than redirect the resources back to US, and hope for that trickle to start coming back.

    Cry me a river about conservative values while hiding the robbery that's taking place against many. But don't worry Tom, Speech, when they dump your pensions and benefits and no compensation, you can always keep working hard at McDonalds. I heard Walmart is hiring too. They love hard work and no pay. Cheap labor, the cheaper the better, and forget the trickle. That was a myth in the first place, and that's what the conservative utopia is all about.
  • Dec 5, 2013, 07:25 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Meanwhile, it's a toasty 14 degrees in Texas this morning. But the lights and heaters are on.
    Only if you can pay your utility bills that's been going up.
  • Dec 5, 2013, 07:30 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Only if you can pay your utility bills that's been going up
    Natural gas, which heats most homes here is pretty cheap right now even though this regime is doing everything it can to make energy "necessarily skyrocket." It would be even easier to pay those bills, too if people weren't mandated into a health insurance policy they can't afford, but I don't expect you to acknowledge that either.
  • Dec 5, 2013, 07:34 AM
    tomder55
    Trickle down is a lib description that has no meaning to me . Reagan "raised taxes " because unlike the emperor ,he knew he had to work with the other side.
    Quote:

    Yeah Reagan sold Saddam and Iran all kinds of gas and arms to pay for releasing those hostages that doomed Carter
    Yeah I've heard that conspiracy slander before .


    Only a lib would think a job at Micky Ds is a job that is a career job . My 'pension' was converted to a self managed account years ago and I'm glad it was .
  • Dec 5, 2013, 01:01 PM
    Tuttyd
    Smoothy, how about the evidence for your claim? Please feel free to talk to me about it.

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