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  • Oct 3, 2013, 07:59 AM
    tomder55
    I'll be 108... very doable.
  • Oct 3, 2013, 08:04 AM
    tomder55
    Gingrich's mistake was not the shut down. His mistake was the perception he helped create(with a big hat tip from the praetorian guard of the 4th estate ) that it was a personal slight by Clintoon that was his motive for the shut down.
  • Oct 3, 2013, 09:05 AM
    speechlesstx
    The NSA chief claimed that NSA had to furlough 72% of their civilian workforce, which of course means we aren't being kept safe because of those darned Republicans. But since this regime has overinflated their successes one just might wonder how necessary those 72% of NSA employees are necessary in the first place.

    Quote:

    The Obama administration’s credibility on intelligence suffered another blow Wednesday as the chief of the National Security Agency admitted that officials put out numbers that vastly overstated the counterterrorism successes of the government’s warrantless bulk collection of all Americans’ phone records.

    Pressed by the Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at an oversight hearing, Gen. Keith B. Alexander admitted that the number of terrorist plots foiled by the NSA’s huge database of every phone call made in or to America was only one or perhaps two — far smaller than the 54 originally claimed by the administration.

    Read more: NSA chief's admission of misleading numbers adds to Obama administration blunders - Washington Times
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
    But again, math is hard.
  • Oct 3, 2013, 09:20 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You guys are on record for shutting the whole government down, and not opening it back up. 43 votes to repeal Obama Care went no where, so you shut the government down to stop Obama Care. Prez said HELL NO!!!! So now you trot out one hostage after another, instead of taking one simple easy vote.

    Okay at a billion bucks a week you rack up a hellluva bill. A bill to open the government is before the house, but that would expose the utter stupidity of the TParty. Dems already agreed to the repubs budget.

    Take it and move on!

    We didn't shut it down... we sent over several bills all of which would have funded the government... the Democrats in the SENATE and the half-wit in the white house voted no and to shut the government down.

    And it's that senile old fart Reid who refuses to even nominate people to negotiate with the House to negotiate for a deal.

    Which legally is his job to do... as well as how its always been done... and was before the Messiah was throned.
  • Oct 3, 2013, 09:44 AM
    smoothy
    Harry Reid needs to be put in a nursing home... NOW...

    No, Harry Reid's Comments Weren't A 'Gaffe' | The Federalist

    Proof the lefties really hate everyone...



    HARRY REID: Listen, Sen. Durbin explained that very well, and he did it here, did it on the floor earlier, as did Sen. Schumer. What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? It's obvious what's going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don't know what other word I can use. They're obsessed with this Obamacare. It's working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. So they have no right to pick and choose.

    BASH: But if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn't you do it?

    REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you're irresponsible and reckless…

    BASH: I'm just asking a question.
  • Oct 3, 2013, 04:45 PM
    tomder55
    I'm liking the piecemeal passage of essential services approach. Some of the biggest abuses by the Federal gvt is through comprehensive legislation.
  • Oct 3, 2013, 09:27 PM
    paraclete
    'so what's the possibility that the incident in Washington is a protest by a furloughed employee
  • Oct 3, 2013, 09:31 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I'm liking the piecemeal passage of essential services approach. Some of the biggest abuses by the Federal gvt is through comprehensive legislation.

    That's just a great big copout and an attempt to subvert the processes
  • Oct 4, 2013, 04:05 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    'so what's the possibility that the incident in Washington is a protest by a furloughed employee

    Nope ;another example of the ignored mentally disturbed .
  • Oct 4, 2013, 04:10 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    That's just a great big copout and an attempt to subvert the processes

    The only process the lefties ever except is an ever expanding government with an arc of ever increasing spending .
    What I like is that it prioritizes. Consider this my compromise because my preference would be to slash the budget and have debates on the elimination of whole depts of the Federal government... not just budgets getting freezed at current levels .
  • Oct 4, 2013, 05:00 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    'so what's the possibility that the incident in Washington is a protest by a furloughed employee

    None.. she was a Dental Hygenist... not a federal worker.. or even a federal contractor.

    But she was mentally disturbed. Nobody showed her photo yet... but they did have the police carrying her toddler away fairly early on... (a clearly black girl roughly a year old... more or less) but later in the day they were blurring out the child on the videos and you wouldn't have been able to tell..
  • Oct 4, 2013, 05:59 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    the only process the lefties ever except is an ever expanding government with an arc of ever increasing spending .
    What I like is that it prioritizes. Consider this my compromise because my preference would be to slash the budget and have debates on the elimination of whole depts of the Federal government .... not just budgets getting freezed at current levels .

    Waiting to see what the headlines are and making legislation to open and fund it is no way to govern. Making sound bites with lab coats and checks is no way to govern. Stupid PR stunts make you guys look silly, and will FAIL.

    But The TParty loves every minute of it.
  • Oct 4, 2013, 06:42 AM
    talaniman
    Congressman's shutdown comments draw flak

    Quote:

    Stutzman, who represents a northeastern Indiana district, was quoted in The Washington Examiner on Wednesday as saying: "We're not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."
    But it's okay to pay capital police IOU's while you figure out what works for you. You guys are wackos. Meanwhile the number of republican house members who would vote for a clean CR bill grows. A revolt against the TParty? Or a common sense solution? Or both!!

    Here's A Tally Of Which House Republicans Are Ready To Fund The Government, No Strings Attached
  • Oct 4, 2013, 06:47 AM
    smoothy
    The WHacko's are the dementia riddled Reid... and that pompous naccicist Obama who think they are gods who can dictate what everyone WILL give them...

    Apparently neither of them now Jack Squat about the constitution and the fact the three branches og government are co-equal... I guess because they were skipping class or just stoned on the days that was covered in Civics...

    Because neither Obama or Reid... are even in the branch of government that has the sole right to mandate federal spending. Which is exclusively the House.

    THe WHite house comes up with a budget... but the house can tear it up and spend everything how THEY want it spent because its they who hold the purse strings.
  • Oct 4, 2013, 06:58 AM
    smoothy
    Since the lefties were out smoking pot instead of attending civics class... heres a little primer that even they should be able to understand about the powers and duties of the three branches of government.

    The Duties of the Three Branches of Government
  • Oct 4, 2013, 07:29 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Waiting to see what the headlines are and making legislation to open and fund it is no way to govern. Making sound bites with lab coats and checks is no way to govern. Stupid PR stunts make you guys look silly, and will FAIL.

    But The TParty loves every minute of it.

    Yeah yeah I understand the melodrama . The emperor demagogues and the compliant praetorian press eggs him on with tales of woe . The emperor has for some reason combined the CR and the looming debt limit debate into one talking point. The real problem is that he thinks his role in our system is dictatorial. Smoothy is quite correct on that point . Even his own allies bemoan his aloof and detached " leadership" . All he knows how to do is street level rabble rousing .That is not governing ,and that is the sole reason for the impasse .
  • Oct 4, 2013, 07:55 AM
    smoothy
    Joe Biden hates American veterans too...

    And he's on the record doing it...

    And Joe Biden stands up for the park service blocking the WWII vets !

    Vice President Joe Biden is proud of the National Park Service ranger who stood up to Rep. Randy Neugebauer at the National World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C.

    On Thursday, video surfaced online of Neugebauer, a Texas Republican, angrily lecturing the ranger for setting up barricades to the memorial.

    "I'm proud of you," Biden said, according to his office's Twitter account, revealing that the vice president had called the ranger to thank her for her service.

    Neugebauer told the ranger that the Park Service should be "ashamed" for blocking access to the memorial.

    “I'm not ashamed,” the ranger replied.


    Biden To Park Ranger Who Blocked Vets From WWII Memorial: “I'm Proud Of You”)

    I'm guessing he was frequently dropped on his head as a child.
  • Oct 4, 2013, 08:08 AM
    tomder55
    Meanwhile the Park Service has reinforced the Barrycade at the WWII Memorial with wire.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVvCkmPCIAIunjR.jpg
    But they ran out of them at the WWI Memorial
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVkshNuCMAA8yza.jpg
  • Oct 4, 2013, 08:30 AM
    smoothy
    We need to round up some Meth heads to steal those and haul them off for scrap.
  • Oct 4, 2013, 08:50 AM
    talaniman
    If you have to take hostages to make your point, you are no better than terrorists. That's what happens when after hollering and badmouthing for years, you don't have the votes to pass what you want.

    If repubs weren't quaking in their boots over the TParty we might be at a different place. They have punked out the republican establishment, for now any way.
  • Oct 4, 2013, 09:10 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    If you have to take hostages to make your point, you are no better than terrorists.
    Again with the inflamatory language. I remember the mock outrage over alleged cross hairs on Sarah Palin campaign literature. Now the emperor uses language like "holding a gun to his head. "
    But talk about "taking hostages " . When the emperor designs his shut down or sequester decisions to make the maximum visual effect to hurt the people then who is really taking hostages ? Who's taking hostages when he keeps Camp David open for his personal use but prevents troops overseas from watching the baseball playoffs or the NFL games ? He's a petty spiteful prick who is certainly fulfilling the Clint Eastwood description of an empty chair.
  • Oct 4, 2013, 09:14 AM
    tomder55
    http://brokenpatriot.files.wordpress...pg?w=538&h=454
  • Oct 4, 2013, 09:18 AM
    smoothy
    Harry Reid and OWEbama are the hostage takers... acting like misbehaving little children throwing a tantrum when mommy or daddy didn't get them the toy they were demanding.
  • Oct 4, 2013, 09:28 AM
    talaniman
    How many times do you have to be told NO repeal, or delay of the ACA until you get it? DUHHH!!

    That's my point, that was the stated goal of the shut down, and it FAILED! Now you scramble for another reason to keep it shutdown. Piece meal legislation has FAILED! Now it's a grand bargain.

    For it not to FAIL, let the hostages GO!!
  • Oct 4, 2013, 09:38 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    How many times do you have to be told NO repeal, or delay of the ACA until you get it? DUHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That's my point, that was the stated goal of the shut down, and it FAILED! Now you scramble for another reason to keep it shutdown. Piece meal legislation has FAILED!! Now its a grand bargain.

    For it not to FAIL, let the hostages GO!!!!!!!!!!

    What part of you , Reid or Obama don't HAVE THE RIGHT to make that demand can't you lefties grasp.

    Obama isn't a freakin god... NOBODY is beholden to him... particularly any Republicans... we know the average Democrat has a picture of him in their little temple they worship, and to those that have one even polish their knob to... but nobody else does.

    THe Democrats do NOT control the House... Get over it... YOU lost that first midterm election BECAUSE of how the mentally deficient Democrats under Pelosi played that game...

    The American Public don't WANT Obamacare... and not even the Democrats want it... look at how they all exempted themselves and their Union Buddies from having to have it.
  • Oct 4, 2013, 09:49 AM
    tomder55
    Again with the dictates .At the end of the day ,the emperor's no-negotiations stance is just another red line he'll have to move. Then instead of looking Presidential ,he will be reduced to being forced to make concessions after bouts of petulant tantrums . He had the opportunity to seize the high ground and again is a failure.
    Not only that but he's dragging his party with him. Part of his fragile majority in the Senate and House is a number of seats in States and districts that Romney won. That means they are soft held seats ripe for picking next year . The Repubics have on record all these mini-votes where these Dems voted against Vets care , cancer research for kids ,etc. Even better ,he has that punch drunk Reid as the public face of it.
  • Oct 4, 2013, 10:06 AM
    smoothy
    Most 3 year olds behave with more maturity than Harry Reid or Obama have shown.
  • Oct 4, 2013, 10:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    Seems to me the whole Democrat regime are a bunch of petulant pricks. This is all apparently a game to them...

    Quote:

    Said a senior administration official: “We are winning…It doesn’t really matter to us” how long the shutdown lasts “because what matters is the end result.”
    They wanted a shutdown, they're playing all manner of pathetic, childish shutdown theater and now the WH admits it's a game and all that matters is them winning.

    Per speaker bonehead, “This isn’t some damn game!”
  • Oct 4, 2013, 11:41 AM
    talaniman
    A better turnout of minorities, women, old, and young, as well as the poor will overcome your ID, and gerrymandering tricks and traps, and the right wing loony bunch will FAIL, and sanity and reason will be restored to governance.

    Your meds are affordable so take them and swallow. Need a glass of water? I recommend a pitcher. You must be crazy thinking half of one third of the government dictates to the country.

    GOP Donors Revolt Against Republican-Led Government Shutdown - The Daily Beast

    Quote:

    It is unlikely that the gilded power brokers in the Republican Party are likely to join their local county political club any time soon, but as the stock market wobbles amid the government shutdown and the continued demand for an Obamacare delay, a number of GOP donors are wondering if it is time for a little outside counter-pressure to sap the Tea Party of some of its energy. To be clear, none are considering joining the Democrats, and they find plenty of fault with President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. The deficit, taxes, and regulation remain top concerns. But several top GOP donors say figuring out a way to “break the fever”—as Obama once put it—or at least keep their fellow party members from damaging the economy any further has become Topic A in their social set.
    About time!
  • Oct 4, 2013, 11:53 AM
    smoothy
    Get that out of your daily approved propaganda booklet from the Messiah?
  • Oct 4, 2013, 12:07 PM
    talaniman
    No just know far right lunacy when I see it. Or hear it.
  • Oct 4, 2013, 12:11 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    No just know far right lunacy when I see it. Or hear it.

    Bet you don't... you can't recognise far left lunacy when you see it... or hear it.

    More of the Maniac Dicator Obama ordering Park Rangers to make life as hard on citizens as possible.

    Someone impeach that waste of human flesh infesting the White House already.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/ne.../posts?page=25

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...s-of-the-game/

    Contrary the Messiahs delusional beliefs everything is HIS... they aren't... the parks belong to the people... not that Bozo in the White House. And him pulling these cheap and petty stunts shows what a petulant tiny insignificant little man he really is...
  • Oct 4, 2013, 02:02 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    GOP Donors Revolt Against Republican-Led Government Shutdown - The Daily Beast


    Quote:
    It is unlikely that the gilded power brokers in the Republican Party are likely to join their local county political club any time soon, but as the stock market wobbles amid the government shutdown and the continued demand for an Obamacare delay, a number of GOP donors are wondering if it is time for a little outside counter-pressure to sap the Tea Party of some of its energy. To be clear, none are considering joining the Democrats, and they find plenty of fault with President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. The deficit, taxes, and regulation remain top concerns. But several top GOP donors say figuring out a way to “break the fever”—as Obama once put it—or at least keep their fellow party members from damaging the economy any further has become Topic A in their social set.

    About time!
    Lol cronies of the world unite. Feed that beast ! Yeah I'm sure those corporate interests are served by some of the Republic statists .
  • Oct 5, 2013, 02:15 AM
    tomder55
    ”what right do they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded ? " Harry Reid
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0lFyFJeZSY

    Ummmm Harry ,try reading the Constitution. But I get it . To the Dems ,the Constitution is just a speed bump that has to be maneuvered around on the way toward their statist utopia.
  • Oct 5, 2013, 04:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    This coming from the side that picks and chooses how to inflict the most pain in their shutdown games, closing open air memorials to vets, hating on children, closing parks that never have a park service presence anyway and now, threatening military chaplains with arrest even if they offer their services on a voluntary basis.

    Priests threatened with arrest if they minister to military during shutdown | The Daily Caller

    Why do Dems hate children, soldiers, vets, God, the constitution, etc so much?
  • Oct 5, 2013, 04:37 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    How many times do you have to be told NO repeal, or delay of the ACA until you get it? DUHHH!!

    That's my point, that was the stated goal of the shut down, and it FAILED! Now you scramble for another reason to keep it shutdown. Piece meal legislation has FAILED! Now it's a grand bargain.

    For it not to FAIL, let the hostages GO!!

    Quote:

    For Democrats, the budget is all or nothing. Republican bills to fund this or that individual program have to be rejected out of hand as an affront to the apparent constitutional inviolability of the "continuing resolution."

    In fact, government by "continuing resolution" is a sleazy racket: The legislative branch is supposed to legislate. Instead, they're presented with a yea-or-nay vote on a single all-or-nothing multi-trillion-dollar band-aid stitched together behind closed doors to hold the federal leviathan together while it belches its way through to the next budget cycle.
    As professor Angelo Codevilla of Boston University put it, "This turns democracy into a choice between tyranny and anarchy." It's certainly a perversion of responsible government: Congress has less say over specific federal expenditures than the citizens of my New Hampshire backwater do at town meeting over the budget for a new fence at the town dump.

    Pace Sen. Reid, Republican proposals to allocate spending through targeted, mere multi-billion-dollar appropriations is not only not "irresponsible" but, in fact, a vast improvement over the "continuing resolution": To modify Lord Acton, power corrupts, but continuing power corrupts continually
    .


    An Overwhelming Majority Of The Federal Government Can't Be Shut Down - Investors.com
  • Oct 5, 2013, 04:40 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    This coming from the side that picks and chooses how to inflict the most pain in their shutdown games, closing open air memorials to vets, hating on children, closing parks that never have a park service presence anyway and now, threatening military chaplains with arrest even if they offer their services on a voluntary basis.

    Priests threatened with arrest if they minister to military during shutdown | The Daily Caller

    Why do Dems hate children, soldiers, vets, God, the constitution, etc so much?

    Quote:

    One would not be altogether surprised to find the feds stringing yellow police tape along the Rio Grande, the 49th Parallel and the Atlantic and Pacific coasts, if only to keep Americans in rather than anybody else out. Still, I would like to have been privy to the high-level discussions at which the government took the decision to install its Barrycades on open parkland.

    For anyone with a modicum of self-respect, it's difficult to imagine how even the twerpiest of twerp bureaucrats would consent to stand at a crowd barrier and tell a group of elderly soldiers who've flown in from across the country that they're forbidden to walk across a piece of grass and pay their respects.

    Yet, if any National Parks Service employee retained enough sense of his own humanity to balk at these instructions or other spiteful, petty closures of semi-wilderness fishing holes and the like, we've yet to hear about it.

    The World War II Memorial exists thanks to some $200 million in private donations — plus $15 million or so from Washington: in other words, the feds paid for the grass. But the thug usurpers of the bureaucracy want to send a message: In today's America, everything is the gift of the government, and exists only at the government's pleasure, whether it's your health insurance, your religious liberty or the monument to your fallen comrades.
    The Barrycades are such a perfect embodiment of what James Piereson calls "punitive liberalism" they should be tied round Obama's neck forever, in the way that "ketchup is a vegetable" got hung around Reagan-era Republicans. Alas, the court eunuchs of the Obama media cannot rouse themselves even on behalf of the nation's elderly warriors
    .


    An Overwhelming Majority Of The Federal Government Can't Be Shut Down - Investors.com
  • Oct 5, 2013, 04:57 AM
    talaniman
    Bonehead and his TParty cohorts should have thought of that when they decided to shut the government down. If they had, they would have avoided this mess. They still can with a clean CR to cover 60 days but they won't.

    The TParty won't let them, though the list grows for support of such a vote among house republicans. Nice to see Bachmann so happy, even if REAL workers are NOT.
  • Oct 5, 2013, 05:36 AM
    tomder55
    And the Dems should've thought of 'no changes to Obamacare ' before the executive waivers ,delays they approve of ,and SCOTUS fundamentally changing the words of the law after it was DEEMED the law of the land .Last I heard ,the "law of the land" had a provision for "Income Verification" for subsidies .Guess that's another part of the law that is OK to ignore .
  • Oct 5, 2013, 06:13 AM
    speechlesstx
    The house passed 2 more bills to fund the government while negotiations continue. Dems don't want to negotiate, don't care if the government works or not, don't care if children get cancer treatment, don't wants vets honoring those who sacrificed their lives, don't care if vendors can open at parks that don't have Park Service staff, don't care about enforcing obamacare rules and call Republicans terrorists for doing their job. Your idea of negotiating is shut up and cave to our demands. Dems are mean, petulant pricks that are only interested in winning, not the good of the country.

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