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  • Aug 27, 2013, 12:18 AM
    paraclete
    I see the hawkes are busy, it is obvious that these are issues where political capital can be garnered. McCain wants action, without actually saying it he wants boots on the ground, missiles just don't cut it for him and even Krudd has got in on the act being included in US broadcasts beating up a response, of course, he has a both local and international objective as Australia becomes president of the UN Council and he has indicated which side we are on
  • Aug 27, 2013, 03:48 AM
    tomder55
    JF Kerry ,the head of the agency that made the assertion that Benghazi was attacked because of a YouTube video ,makes the equally absurd pronouncement that the evidence was "undeniable" that the Syrian regime had used chemical agents.
    What evidence is he talking about ? A video released by the rebels ? He also claims that Syria is destroying that evidence. Well if it was Sarin as is claimed ,then the gas will be easily identifiable in the victims ,in the soil ,in the buildings of Halabja .Now it's claimed that by delaying access to the site ,that the sarin breaks down... that is true . However , we are not talking about 19th century forensics . The sarin molecule ,isopropyl methylphosphonic acid (IMPA),remains for weeks after .
    When UN inspectors attempted to go to the area they came under sniper fire . From which side we don't know .
  • Aug 27, 2013, 04:51 AM
    tomder55
    Obama's Bluff | Stratfor
  • Aug 27, 2013, 05:07 AM
    smoothy
    Obama is a horrible poker player... he tells everyone what cards he is holding.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 05:34 AM
    talaniman
    Gas poisoning was also found in dead animals and the delivery system was also identified as being from the government. Bombs away. They were warned and the entire Arab world is outraged. I don't think Obama was bluffing.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 05:47 AM
    smoothy
    I don't like Assad at all... nor do I like all the Rebels some of them are Hezbolah Terrorists... some of them AlQueada, and other Iranian... they have seized some of the governments armories.

    Something is really fishy here. Like someone is setting someone else up to take the fall.

    Its not like Assad said "I did it...its my country , get stuffed".

    Particularly sinc ethese claims are coming from the same people that claimed for months Benghazi was about some video nobody ever saw... and have been stonewalling and threatening witnesses for the last year.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 05:52 AM
    talaniman
    There are at least 7 factions that make up the rebels, some are not so nice.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 05:53 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    There are at least 7 factions that make up the rebels, some are not so nice.

    "Not so nice" might be the understatement of the year. At best some of them are no better than Assad... and some are far worse.

    Getting rid of Assad might put Muslim Brotherhood backed terrorists in power... or Iranian Puppets... or Al Queada backed terrorists, or Hesbolah terrorists.

    All of them worse than Assad.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 06:21 AM
    talaniman
    I wouldn't be pitching a tent around any military installation, runway, or command bunker right now. I wouldn't want to be a general either.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 06:30 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    and the delivery system was also identified as being from the government.
    Link ? That's news to me
  • Aug 27, 2013, 06:33 AM
    paraclete
    The arabs are outraged, the americans are outraged the europeans are outraged, with all this rage we are set for another war where no one will win and who gains, Al Qaeda and terrorists. No matter who pulled the trigger no one gains anything but death
  • Aug 27, 2013, 06:33 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Something is really fishy here. Like someone is setting someone else up to take the fall.
    That's my assumption. What does Assad gain by backing the emperor into a corner ? The idiot created his red line and now it allegedly has been crossed. Until someone can provide solid proof then I have to assume this is a false flag operation.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 06:37 AM
    paraclete
    What does he gain, he has just called Obama out, it's Saddam all over again, come and get me
  • Aug 27, 2013, 06:52 AM
    speechlesstx
    IDF claims to have intercepted communications during the attack tying it to the Syrian government.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 07:15 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    what does he gain, he has just called Obama out, it's Saddam all over again, come and get me

    And as Stratfor points out ,if the fool doesn't respond ,then he loses credibility against nations like Iran and the NORKS... great ! We have no national interest involved ;but now we have the prestige and credibiltiy of the emperor on the line.
    I wonder what the Nobel Committee says now ?
  • Aug 27, 2013, 08:15 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    IDF claims to have intercepted communications during the attack tying it to the Syrian government.

    I smell a rat . The Syrian /Iranian alliance represents and existential threat to the state of Israel . A jihadists failed state is an inconvenience they have dealt with since their birth . I can't stop thinking that twice in recent weeks the jihadists were caught with sarin... once in an Iraq lab. and once in Turkey. Assad is as evil as they come ;but he is no fool ;and a chemical attack that would surely end in his ouster just doesn't make sense.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 09:02 AM
    speechlesstx
    Is his name Kerry, the guy who ran for president on the "Bush lied" ticket?

    Syria to Secretary of State John Kerry: You're lying
  • Aug 27, 2013, 09:05 AM
    smoothy
    I still want to know how Kerry got out of Vietnam long before his one year tour was over...
  • Aug 27, 2013, 09:08 AM
    talaniman
    It does make sense if his Russian protectors have promised more support. But my understanding so far is they can trace the delivery system back to government armaments. Maybe his own officers are framing him.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 09:10 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    It does make sense if his Russian protectors have promised more support. But my understanding so far is they can trace the delivery system back to government armaments. Maybe his own officers are framing him.

    Doesn't even have to be them... Rebles have captured various Government armouries and weapons caches...

    There is no possible way to identify WHICH of them they originated from. Because at one time they were ALL under government control.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 09:46 AM
    tomder55
    Kerry is an imbicile . The ironic thing is that one of his alleged credentials was his ability to meet with bad a$$es like Assad ,and negotiate.
    Assad saw how American... oops I mean Nato airpower ,tipped the balance in the Libyan Civil War. So then why would he do the one thing that would almost force the emperor to take similar action against him ? And let's not forget that in the spring , UN. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria member Carla Del Ponte fingered the FSA for doing a chemical attack.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 09:47 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    It does make sense if his Russian protectors have promised more support. But my understanding so far is they can trace the delivery system back to government armaments. Maybe his own officers are framing him.

    No one has had access to the area ,so how did they "trace " it back to Syrian armaments ?
  • Aug 27, 2013, 10:32 AM
    talaniman
    We don't know everything they know, nor do reporters. But being denied access by the government forces to affected areas is compelling

    NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams: Nerve Gas Attack in Syria? - Bing Videos
  • Aug 27, 2013, 10:34 AM
    tomder55
    Max Fisher , writing in the Washington Compost ,says we don't have to worry about the emperor getting us deeply involved in the Syrian civil war. According to Fisher ,
    Quote:

    Every signal so far suggests the United States is planning something very limited, most likely a series of finite cruise missile strikes against Syrian government infrastructure, perhaps some aircraft strikes, as well. One criticism you will hear over and over is that this sort of response is unlikely to change the course of the war in Syria, which President Bashar al-Assad appears to be slowly winning. And that's correct. But it also misses the point.


    If the Obama administration does go through with these strikes, then its goal, as both Kerry and White House press secretary Jay Carney made clear, is not to shape the course of the war or force out Assad. Its goal is to punish the Assad regime for using chemical weapons, both as a deterrent against using then again and as a warning to any future military leaders that they'd better not use them, either.
    Obama wants to punish Assad, not win the Syrian civil war
    So in other words we will fire missiles into Syria , with no other aim than to send a message to Assad ,potentially killing many of the civilians we are claiming to protect in the process ;possibly more than were killed in the cw attack. And JF Kerry Kerry calls the Syrian the use of the cw a "moral obscenity" ? Dude !
  • Aug 27, 2013, 11:22 AM
    talaniman
    What if our military targets his military infrastructure and obliterates his capabilities? The pundits have no credibility, or responsibility here, just the president. You may not be a fan, many or not but at some point we still have to let him be president despite the noise from the peanut gallery.

    I think he will ignore the pundit any way, and well he should on this one.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 11:34 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    What if our military targets his military infrastructure and obliterates his capabilities? The pundits have no credibility, or responsibility here, just the president. You may not be a fan, many or not but at some point we still have to let him be president despite the noise from the peanut gallery.

    I think he will ignore the pundit any way, and well he should on this one.

    With what ? Long range tomahawks and bombers ? Ok it's possible that we turn the tide in the civil war and hand jihadistan a victory . Then what ? What Russian commitment were you talking about ? I though you said Assad became emboldened because of their implied backing .

    As I've said many times ;no one will be happier than I if Assad is reduced to pink mist . But when we had a chance to make a difference ;we chose to give our support to AQ jihadists instead of legit Syrian rebels .
    Now I see no vested US interest in this conflict... except to recover some credibility on the world stage for the emperor.

    And as far as ignoring... I also have no doubt he will ignore the constitutional authority of congress to declare war.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 12:19 PM
    talaniman
    That's the problem Tom, we have a hard time telling who is who when they all have a common foe. That doesn't mean different factions have the same agenda, both short and long term. I have no doubt that even the rebels don't always know who is behind the scene pulling the strings.

    Bet Moscow is not that knowledgeable either but back Assad. Let's not forget Iran. A bigger player than has been let on.
  • Aug 27, 2013, 12:23 PM
    smoothy
    Obamas overinflated ego is about to cause a LOT of trouble for everyone... and not just the USA this time.

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