Ask Me Help Desk - War on Women 4.6

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Don't think I've met anyone as bitter as yourself.
I guess you feel that all bad things must have a political motivation and someone is to blame. I don't share that train of thought.

LOL, you don't know a thing about me and everything you convince yourself of is wrong. Get a grip, dude, I'm just correcting your mistakes. No one said anything about parents' political persuasion. The reference was to the culture that got us here and yes indeed that is political in nature.

If you cared to check anything that doesn't match your preconceived notions or take things out of context you'd find that I have consistently defended the rights of parents regardless of their political beliefs. Even though I don't believe Plan B should be available OTC without age restriction and I believe there should be reasonable abortion restrictions, if someone wants to get their kid Plan B, force them to have an abortion, let them have sex with whoever they want that's none of my business. In return I expect the same respect for my way of parenting - i.e. don't undermine me based on YOUR political beliefs and morals.

Feel free to explain to me how that's unfair or unreasonable. Given that REALITY if you do interfere you can damn well expect me to be bitter, and be ready for a fight. Unlike you I respect people who stand up for what they believe in even if I disagree. I don't have to respect their beliefs but I do respect their right to believe it.

I expect no less in return. Got it?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

LOL, you don't know a thing about me and everything you convince yourself of is wrong. Get a grip, dude, I'm just correcting your mistakes. No one said anything about parents' political persuasion. The reference was to the culture that got us here and yes indeed that is political in nature.

If you cared to check anything that doesn't match your preconceived notions or take things out of context you'd find that I have consistently defended the rights of parents regardless of their political beliefs. Even though I don't believe Plan B should be available OTC without age restriction and I believe there should be reasonable abortion restrictions, if someone wants to get their kid Plan B, force them to have an abortion, let them have sex with whoever they want that's none of my business. In return I expect the same respect for my way of parenting - i.e. don't undermine me based on YOUR political beliefs and morals.

Feel free to explain to me how that's unfair or unreasonable. Given that REALITY if you do interfere you can damn well expect me to be bitter, and be ready for a fight. Unlike you I respect people who stand up for what they believe in even if I disagree. I don't have to respect their beliefs but I do respect their right to believe it.

I expect no less in return. Got it?

Are you saying that by providing services to young people this is tantamount to by-passing parental authority?

Are you also saying that if we do away with these so-called anti-parenting services, then this will go a long way into reasserting parental authority once again?

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Originally Posted by Tuttyd

Are you saying that by providing services to young people this is tantamount to by-passing parental authority?

No, eliminating or bypassing parental consent requirements for minor children undermines parental rights.

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Are you also saying that if we do away with these so-called anti-parenting services, then this will go a long way into reasserting parental authority once again?

I don't believe I've even remotely attempted that connection.

They live in afantasy world, tutt, they fail to realise that the new generation wants to explore without parental help and the only thing you can do is quaranteen them until they are 25

PM asked 'absurd' question in interview

The war on women stretches a little further with Gillards consort being accused of being gay, well he is certainly pu$sy whipped

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

No, eliminating or bypassing parental consent requirements for minor children undermines parental rights.

Yes, you certainly do things differently over there.

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Originally Posted by speechlessx

I don't believe I've even remotely attempted that connection.

Yes, I know. So I can take it that there is no conncetion?

Hello again,

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GOP congressman Trent Franks: It’s hard to get pregnant from rape

I didn't know that.. Did you?

So, instead of working on jobs, your GOP is working on abortion WITHOUT an exception for rape. They just passed ANOTHER un-Constitutional bill that'll go NOWHERE. Oh, yeah. It includes medically unneeded ultrasound PROBING..

But, there's no war on women...

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

I didn't know that.. Did you?

So, instead of working on jobs, your GOP is working on abortion WITHOUT an exception for rape. They just passed ANOTHER un-Constitutional bill that'll go NOWHERE. Oh, yeah. It includes medically unneeded ultrasound PROBING..

But, there's no war on women...

excon

Oh yes ex didn't you know the girl has to consent to get pregnant

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Originally Posted by Tuttyd

Yes, you certainly do things differently over there.

You mean parents aren't parents where you are?

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Yes, I know. So I can take it that there is no conncetion?

Tut, I don't even know what an "anti-parenting service" is. My contention is there has been a systematic effort by the left to undermine parental rights. I've previously elaborated on methods many times but no, the connecting issue is consent, not the availability of the service.

Anybody can buy condoms at any age.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Anybody can buy condoms at any age.

Well sir, maybe that's because it's basically a balloon or a large finger cot Hopefully most people won't ingest them or use them to end a pregnancy, Though if it weren't for the fact they were condoms I could see the nanny staters trying to protect us from them. Choking hazard, bad for the environment and especially dangerous as a water balloon - not to mention the biohazard of used condoms on public beaches and such.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Well sir, maybe that's because it's basically a balloon or a large finger cot Hopefully most people won't ingest them or use them to end a pregnancy, Though if it weren't for the fact they were condoms I could see the nanny staters trying to protect us from them. Choking hazard, bad for the environment and especially dangerous as a water balloon - not to mention the biohazard of used condoms on public beaches and such.

But 6-year-old children can buy them!

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

But 6-year-old children can buy them!

Hmm, a piece of latex or chemicals ingested that can cause hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of the face, lips, tongue, or throat, nausea, diarrhea, stomach pain, dizziness, fatigue, breast pain or tenderness, changes in your menstrual periods, headache, hypertension, acne and other skin conditions, leukorrhea, vaginitis, dysmenorrhea, breast pain, abnormal pap smear and decreased libido, uterine/vaginal bleeding (including spotting, irregular bleeding, heavy bleeding, oligomenorrhea and amenorrhea), ovarian cysts, upper respiratory infection and sinusitis, weight gain, depression, back pain and angioedema?

That comparison is a little "out there." Maybe you two should try another line of attack.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That comparison is a little "out there." Maybe you two should try another line of attack.

I figured as long as your 6-year-old children are buying Plan B...

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Everything seems to have a side effect. What do you think the side effects of old white guys telling females and minorities they aren't first class American citizens will be?

Dudes, even if you don't think it's a big deal for THIS particular drug to be available to little girls without age restriction over the counter, what is the problem you have with parents who care about what drugs their minor child ingests?

Hello again, Steve:

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what is the problem you have with parents who care about what drugs their minor child ingests?

Tell your kids to just say NO.

Excon

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Dudes, even if you don't think it's a big deal for THIS particular drug to be available to little girls without age restriction over the counter, what is the problem you have with parents who care about what drugs their minor child ingests?

I have no problem, but you live in a perfect world if you think far too many minor kids are going to listen to their parents and other adults.

There are other drugs to deal with that too.

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19 percent of high school-age boys – ages 14 to 17 – in the U.S. have been diagnosed with ADHD and about 10 percent are taking medication for it. Ten percent of high school-age girls have likewise been diagnosed.

The CDC survey completed last year found an estimated 6.4 million children ages 4 to 17 had been diagnosed at some point, a 53 percent increase over the past decade. Approximately two-thirds of those currently diagnosed have been prescribed drugs such as Ritalin or Adderall. Those drugs can help patients with both mild and severe symptoms, but they can also cause addiction, anxiety and psychosis.

Radical increase in kids prescribed Ritalin

I have no problem with parents who make it a priority to know what their child does and who they do it with. None whatsoever. I wish more would.

Doesn't mean we should deny any female an option to abortions does it?

Your health care providers lie to vulnerable young women /teens about abortions
What is Human? - YouTube

You make a good case for the morning after pill.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I have no problem, but you live in a perfect world if you think far too many minor kids are going to listen to their parents and other adults.

Unlike you I don't give up hope in them.

Hope and a prayer - two things you can do that result in nothing being done.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Hope and a prayer - two things you can do that result in nothing being done.

You are sure of that are you? But then you have to try it before you can make that statement, as for me I find the contrary to be true, but understand this; faith is the substance of things hoped for and you exercise faith in prayer

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Unlike you I don't give up hope in them.

Lets give them knowledge and good options just in case.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Hope and a prayer - two things you can do that result in nothing being done.

Are you really that clueless as to what hope does? No wonder you are how you are. Pathetic.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Lets give them knowledge and good options just in case.

Come on Tal, enough of this canard that conservatives are anti-knowledge, anti-science, just plain clueless or whatever it is you think. We love options, too, and there much better options than killing off our children or leaving our pregnant kids at the mercy of the abortion absolutists.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Come on Tal, enough of this canard that conservatives are anti-knowledge, anti-science, just plain clueless or whatever it is you think. We love options, too, and there much better options than killing off our children or leaving our pregnant kids at the mercy of the abortion absolutists.

Lol leave it to you to take what I say to some kinds of weird new level of partisan rhetoric. Didn't even mention you, just the kids.

Chill out and explain your options that are better than education and support based on our best science.

Hello again, Steve:

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We love options, too,

You do. I LOVE this one. You FORCE women to get probed all up in their vaginas, so that she can see a picture of what YOU want her to see..

But, that's not an option you're OFFERING to women. It's an option you're FORCING them to go through.

I believe the House of Representatives just passed a bill doing that very thing. Do I need to link you?

Excon

PS> By the way, it's a totally UNNEEDED medical procedure. Plus, putting the government in charge of EVERY uterus in the nation is ANYTHING, but small government..

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what hope does

What does hope do?

To keep a 6 year old from buying a day after pill you would not sell them at all? That's some whack logic.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

To keep a 6 year old from buying a day after pill you would not sell them at all? That's some whack logic.

I don't believe I've ever said that.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

What does hope do?

Not much on psychology are you?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Not much on psychology are you?

I have a master's degree in psychology and am also wondering what hope will do.

Hope is an attitude, but not a replacement for the good orderly direction that requires actions. Sometimes those actions have unintended consequences that have to be dealt with. That requires MORE actions, like it or not. Without being willing to actually do something, then what good is just hope?

I suppose its better than being hope... LESS!

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Not much on psychology are you?

It's a pretty straightforward and innocent question. It's just to educate myself since you said:

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Are you really that clueless as to what hope does?

I assume you aren't clueless on this and can tell us.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't believe I've ever said that.

I know you didn't, it was the no age restriction for OTC day after pills you cited before, but what 6 year old goes into a drug store with X dollars look for a day after pill?

That's not likely to happen. There is no law on the books that take away parental consent, but kids do know how to get around it, and have for as long as their have been kids. Bet you did it to.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I have a master's degree in psychology and am also wondering what hope will do.

If that's true then you're a lousy psychologist. Just remove hope from the equation and let us know what's left.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

I know you didn't, it was the no age restriction for OTC day after pills you cited before, but what 6 year old goes into a drug store with X dollars look for a day after pill?

That's not likely to happen. There is no law on the books that take away parental consent, but kids do know how to get around it, and have for as long as their have been kids. Bet you did it to.

Dude, drop the 6 year old line, I challenged you all to apply this to whatever age of a minor child days ago. And yes of course once and for all also, kids don't always obey their parents, but I don't raise those issues because unlike you I don't waste my time on the no-brainer stuff - you guys harp on it to avoid the bigger issue.

I contend that 13-year-old girls should NOT be able to buy plan B over the counter without permission from their parent or legal guardian. The Obama administration at least fought for a minimum age requirement putting us on the same side. It was the right thing to do - until they dropped their opposition.

We disagree, you think it's good, I think it's throwing girls and parents under the bus.