That seems to be his rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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That seems to be his rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Scott Pelley of CBS admits that he sucks .
Scott Pelley: 'Journalists Are Getting Big Stories Wrong, Over & Over Again' - NowThis News
CBS anchor Scott Pelley said at a speech at Quinnipiac University that journalists "are getting big stories wrong, over and over again." No shiite !
"Let me take the first arrow: During our coverage of Newtown, I sat on my set and I reported that Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school. And that her son had attacked her classroom. It's a hell of a story, but it was dead wrong. Now, I was the managing editor, I made the decision to go ahead with that and I did, and that's what I said, and I was absolutely wrong. So let me just take the first arrow here."
Pelley said the republic relies on the quality of the news business. "Democracies succeed or fail based on their journalism," ... "America is strong because its journalism is strong. That's how democracies work. They're only as good as the quality of the information that the public possesses. And that is where we come in."
My only quibble with him is in his thinking that this is a recent development . For a long time now these so call gate keepers of the truth have spun the news based on their pre-conceived notions and ideological spin. The only difference now is that there are "people in pajamas 'doing the heavy lifting that the independent press abandoned a long time ago.
Edit by the way... NBC has hired a tabloid journalist to head NBC News
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/bu...-division.html
So tell me again why the Koch Bros owning a newspaper is a bad idea .
She's no tabloid journalist:
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Ms. Turness has strong credentials. She has worked at ITN, a British producer of television news, for 25 years. ITN provides three daily newscasts to ITV, a broadcaster that is one of the BBC’s main rivals in Britain, under the banner of ITV News. Ms. Turness has overseen those newscasts as the editor of ITV News since 2004.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITNQuote:
ITN's first bulletin aired on 22 September 1955, the day commercial television was born in the UK. ITN began its own World News bulletins in the late 1980s, which were shown around the world on local television channels, particularly on PBS stations in the US, where presenter Daljit Dhaliwal (now with Al-Jazeera English) enjoyed cult status.
These were discontinued in 2001, in the face of competition from dedicated news channels such as BBC World (now known as BBC World News), although it still provides footage to CNN International and reports often appear on PBS NewsHour. Its ITV Evening News bulletin was shown on the Newsworld International cable channel in the US.
In the 1990s, under new ownership, it was accused of abandoning its previous news style, which was broadsheet in style to mid-market tabloid with news stories that focused on personalities in the news rather than heavy news coverage.
The change in style matched changes in the nature of news coverage on the ITV Network (which has seen the network and ITN accused of dumbing down its style), which saw the axing of the long-running and award winning World in Action current affairs and investigative journalism news programme in 1998.
You have already provided the answer to your question. It is because there is an equal probability that the news will be based on pre-conceived ideas and ideological spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That's the way it always was. This notion of an unbiased press has always been a fiction . I am content with a system where all points of view can be expressed ,and let the market decide who succeeds and fails .
Tom, you are an ideologue. Surely you can make some room for a little bit of fiction in this area.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
My apologies. I withdraw the comment.
And yet you didn't edit the comment
I didn't edit it because I thought that you would have already read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You made a legitimate comment and my response didn't address the issue you raised.
So the press is biased, that what comes of insisting on a free press, they can be as biased as they want to be
The left wants a monopoly on the media plain and simple. They hate Fox and talk radio because of their success and fear the Kochs could eat into their brand even more. It's why they long for the fairness doctrine, they don't want to compete in the market.
I didn't quite get that.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Do you mean the left media would be forced to share the market place?
Who longs for the fairness doctrine?
Liberals, progressives, the left. No they don't want to share the market place, they want Fox and conservative talk radio shut down. They have actually tried to silence Limbaugh, and if they can't shut them down they demand equal time as if they don't already control most of the media. They're horrified at the thought of more conservatives owning another share in my opinion.
OK, so we can't let the Kochs buy a newspaper because we need an honest accounting of things that are important to and affect the lives of Americans, right? Because goodness knows that's what the left's lapdog, echo chamber media does, yes?
While others are actually reporting on the UGLY, OUTRAGEOUS, ILLEGAL efforts of the most feared government agency in targeting and harassing conservative groups SINCE 2010, whose senior officials have known about this for at least TWO YEARS and LIED to congress about it, the NY Times focuses on what's important to Americans here:
I.R.S. Focus on Conservatives Gives G.O.P. an Issue to Seize On
Dang right it does, as at least one prominent progressive agrees, it should give EVERY American an issue to seize on and demand accountability on and protection from such future abuses. The question here is why doesn't it give the most prominent newspaper in the country an issue to seize on?
I guess we need those Kochs in the media business. Don't we?
Nice soaring right wing rhetoric, but if conservative groups were targeted by the big bad IRS, then who were the majority of those left? TParty and patriots were only 25% and you guys are so outraged you don't care who the others were. Lets get some more facts here guys.
Dude, the only spinning is you. I gave you the FACTS from the get go and they're getting worse. You and Jay Carney are the only two on the planet defending the indefensible here. Get your head out of the sand, Tal. As a friend, I'm just saying you're going to look really silly in short order if you keep dodging this issue this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Then you must know ALL the groups in question are. Care to share?
Look buddy, that the IRS issued a preemptive 'apology' to conservative groups ahead of the IG's report should tell you all you need to know about who was targeted. C'mon, this is a no-brainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Yeah it wasn't only TP.. it was also pro-Israel groups .
U.S. Presidential Election: Americans In Israel Vote For Mitt Romney
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A survey by iVoteIsrael, a nonpartisan get-out-the-vote organization, found that 85 percent of American voters in Israel cast absentee ballots for Romney. The group polled 1,572 U.S. expatriates between Oct. 22 and 24, and said the survey had a margin of error of 2.5 percentage points.
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In the United States, Obama won 78 percent of the Jewish vote in 2008, according to exit polls at the time. Recent polls show the president down as much as 10 percentage points because of economic and foreign policy concerns, but by and large, American Jews remain firmly in the liberal camp that backs Obama – unlike American immigrants in Israel.
Is there a point? Probably not, just more distraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Now, for the NEXT strike against Obama who isn't having a very good day, his DoJ has been spying on the Associated Press.
I'm sure Obama knows nothing about this. Ok Tal, spin away...Quote:
Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.
The records obtained by the Justice Department listed incoming and outgoing calls, and the duration of each call, for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and the main number for AP reporters in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP.
In all, the government seized those records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown but more than 100 journalists work in the offices whose phone records were targeted on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.
In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.
"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.
The government would not say why it sought the records.
If Obamas supporters were also targeted with his enemies for tax status it was hardly JUST the right.
From your own link,
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Among those whose phone numbers were obtained were five reporters and an editor who were involved in the May 7, 2012 story.
The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of providing classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.
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William Miller, a spokesman for Machen, said Monday that in general the U.S. attorney follows "all applicable laws, federal regulations, and Department of Justice policies when issuing subpoenas for phone records of media organizations" but he would not address questions about the specifics of the AP records. "We do not comment on ongoing criminal investigations," Miller said in an e-mail.
Um Tal, two different abuses of power. That he doesn't give a rip about anyone's rights should open your eyes. But go on, keep excusing the inexcusable, we have your back.
The gun-running fail, nationalizing the auto and insurance companies, the 'enemies list,' using covert operatives for photo ops, lying about blown operations, attempts at gun registration/confiscation, illegally intimidating political opponents, monitoring the press. All Barry needs now is an ugly green suit with eight pounds of gold trim and he can be like his departed hero Hugo.
Even the National Journal finds him losing credibility.
Benghazi, IRS Create Perfect Storm Threatening Obama's Credibility - NationalJournal.com
Wow. This went beyond the Cincinnati office, IRS offices in Washington and at least two other cities were involved.
IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups - The Washington Post
The Cincy IRS office also released confidential applications to ProPublica of 9 conservative groups that hadn't been approved yet.
IRS Office That Targeted Tea Party Also Disclosed Confidential Docs From Conservative Groups - ProPublica
Strike three today, not only did senior IRS officials know about this targeting since at least 2011, the new and current director has known for a year.
IRS says current acting commissioner learned in May 2012 that tea party groups were targeted - The Washington Post
Add Benghazi, Fast & Furious, HHS extortion and spying on the media and tell us why again why we're supposed to trust our government?
P.S. The same Dingy Harry that claimed he knew Romney wasn't paying hus taxes actually supoorted a Senate investigation.
Are we to believe that AP was the only news agency targeted with their irrational obsession with FOX ?
The way this admin targets its enemies I don't believe it.
Hmmm This is how it started in Germany, The gestapo stared in an obsure police department, so now you have the inquisition regulation services all you need is someone with the power of search and who knows what you will find
Fun fact, Obama's Organizing for America - which also runs his overtly political Twitter account - is also a 501(c)(4) organization. Apparently the IRS didn't target it for scrutiny.
Hello, again:
Pursuant to the IRS:In MY view, the word "exclusive", doesn't mean "primarily", but I'm not in government..Quote:
Social welfare organizations: Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of SOCIAL WELFARE...
I don't know why the taxpayers have to subsidize political crap. If I remember correctly, tom is against the tax exemption churches get. Seems like he'd be against this one too.
Excon
I'm against all of the tax exemptions . My goal is the abolishment of this power hungry corrupt bureaucracy .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Through the nanny state, bureaucracy has constantly expanded, the result of the rising number of social and economic functions taken on by the state. But when bureaucracy reaches a certain degree of mass and power, it becomes almost automatically resistant to any will, including the elected will of the people.
Robert Nisbet argued in 1953 the rise of the powerful modern state had eroded the sources of community;the family, the neighborhood, the church etc. As the traditional ties that bind fell away, the human impulse toward community led people to turn even more to the government itself, allowing statism,even totalitarianism,to flourish.
Few things so clearly separate the liberalism of the nineteenth century from twentieth-century liberalism and progressivism as the nearly complete acceptance by the latter of bureaucracy......
More and more, I suspect, revolt in the West in whatever form it takes–peaceful and political, violent and terroristic, or military–will consist of hatred of bureaucracy and passionate desire to destroy it. It is the immensity of bureaucracy at the present time, and the growing immensity of opposition to it, that promises a drive toward total reconstruction that must itself be laden with implications of despotism.
(Quest for Community )
But now this IRS has been empowered with the enforcement of the whole medical care system in the country on top of their ever expanding power over your purse. If this is the type of behavior we can expect from them then we know where the death panel will reside.
That's a side issue, like Pelosi blaming SCOTUS. We cannot have the IRS targeting people for their political views and it's clear this is getting much, much deeper and more troubling by the hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
They leaked info on Karl Rove's group after ProPublica requested it.
They leaked confidential info on the National Organization for Marriage "just a few months after Joseph Solmonese, then president of the HRC, was appointed a national co-chair of the Obama reelection campaign."
They leaked the entire donor list of the Texas Public Policy Foundation.
They allegedly had a "working group" just to scrutinize conservative groups:
And on top of it all top IRS officials knew about it, including the current head, and denied it.Quote:
“More than a year ago, one of these guys, really a slip of the tongue, [said] ‘Yeah we have this new working group that’s really looking at all these conservative organizations,’” Backer said. “And that’s when we knew it was gonna be a problem.”
The corruption is the issue and nothing else.
I just wonder what the effect of all of this had on the 2012 elections . Clearly after the 2010 mid-terms the TP was riding high. Then they sort of fell off the radar last year. Was this intimidation responsible ,or did it play a role ?
Some of this info most definitely led to smears of Romney.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Back to, wait, which scandal? Oh yeah, snooping on the media and other heavy-handed attempts by this admin to control the message...
Remember back in February when Bob Woodward went public about the White House threatening him after he said they were not telling the truth about the sequester? The media was not too kind to Woodward after that...
Would all the reporters who savaged Bob Woodward now like to apologize?
THis is the drift from President Zero...
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You know its just killing him that he can't Blame Bush for everything 20 times a day.
Are we to believe you are on the side of the lame stream media? Or see a tool to make noise about the President yet again?
I think it's the latter.
Tal... get with the program... even OBAMA admits this stuff happened. He and Eric however are pleading ignorance to everything though.. never mind it's their jobs to know what's going on in their respective organizations... and the buck stops at the head honchos desk.
I will never get with the right wing program of hollering and doing nothing. And there is a lot of work to do.
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