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Yeah I argued from the start that nothing is 'free' . But that is how it was promoted by the Dems.Quote:
Contraceptives aren't free, premiums help pay for them. There is no co pay is the more accurate statement. They still require a doctors visit, and legal perscription.
The Obots promotion of the program has led to huge increases in participation. Many more than should be eligible .Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
No out of pocket expenses, free. Take your pick. Both are true. Men need not apply. Must have insurance for free stuff, or no out of pocket expenses.
More accurately, paid for by others.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Like my husband's bypass surgery?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
That's the whole point of insuranceQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You guys act as if insurers just fork over money for whatever reason as if no one is paying the premium and they don't pass those costs on to the policyholder and pretend the policyholder isn't actually paying for those free/no copay contraceptives. Strange world you live in.
I'm one of those policyholders paying premiums and thus paying for others' surgeries and contraceptives..Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Not the same thing, deary, but nice try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
How is it different?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Some people just don't get it, insurance is truly each according to his need, each according to his ability, that's the whole basis of it, you pay small part now so that that when you have abig need it is covered. You can't say I not entitled and you are
I don't care what you pay for on your policy, just don't make me pay for things I find offensive on mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Same here. I don't want to pay for your bypass.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
But you don't since you select the level of cover you want, but the government has the right and responsibility to address certain public health concerns and mandate coverage of those.
You can't have youth opting out of paying for things that they are going to need later and maybe you are going to need that bypass yourself
If you are in the same insurance carrier group, you pay for everyone's coverages no matter what it is. Premiums and copays can vary with other factors, but payments are from the same pot.
Doesn't work that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Yes it does if you are with the same insurance. What you think just YOUR premiums pay for YOUR needs only?
They doesn't have the right to nanny us or force us to violate our religious beliefs by forcing us to pay for objectionable services such as contraception or abortion. Period. Government needs to butt out.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Yet another unintended consequence of Obamacare is a lot of small businesses are leaning toward self-insuring. There goes the risk pool again...Quote:
You can't have youth opting out of paying for things that they are going to need later and maybe you are going to need that bypass yourself
That's a mighty big if and still misses the point. I should not be forced by the government to pay for covered services that violate my conscience. Period. Next you'll be expecting Jehovah's Witnesses to pay for blood transfusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
If they have the same company covering them as I do for me, they paid for my transfusions back in 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
SMH again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I think the Republicans have become too extreme to win a national election. If they want to have a chance again, they will have to make some changes to their positions and stop letting tea party types win nominations instead of reasonable candidates. They've lost at least four winnable senate seats in last few elections because of this. I think they will have to become more willing to compromise on immigration, raising taxes, shut up about abortion, birth control, rape, gay marriage.
You want them to compromise their views and their base to get elected, what is the use of that? May as well keep the compromise you have represented by the Democrats. The idea of politics is that you have opposing views not the same view. If you want parties with the same view you may as well have communism. The electorate has swung one way because of extremism and it will swing back. Nothing lasts for ever
Hello again,
Remember when I said that the Republicans will NEVER pass an immigration bill?? Looky here:
excon
Thanks , someone gets it .Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Imagine that... people living on the border and dealing with most of the negative effects of illegal immigration have different view than country club libs living in gated communities ;hiring illegals to do the laundry ,the lawn mowing ,and the parenting for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
I did NOT know that you guys thought John McCain was a country club lib... You learn something on this site every day.
excon
He has always aligned himself with the Rockefeller,Country Club ,inside the beltway Repubics.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
Come on, tom.. I KNOW you're flummoxed. I would be too, if say, MY party told me that Medicare recipients were MOOCHERS... Look. You're one of the guys who's yelling at McCain.. I got that... But, Rubio is out there too. Is HE a country club lib?
Really... You guys ARE at war with each other... Let me know when the smoke clears... We're either going to have the old Republican party back, or... I don't know what will happen if the Tea Party takes over...
excon
They've blown some chances for sure but this 'extremist' line is concocted nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by earl237
Lets be clear those are older conservative republicans believing a gun is the only answer to the immigration problem. Their attitude is no surprise. They have been hollering for years despite the fence and the laws they have written. Its also a place where buying guns in bulk by 18 year olds and reselling them to whoever is a misdemeanor less than jaywalking.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, tal:
If you'd been told by your governor that HEADLESS Americans were scattered all around the desert, you'd think a gun was the only answer too..
Immigration reform will NOT make it by these people.
excon
Unless the Maverick changes his mind and withdraws his support... AGAIN. And Rubio, not Obama's name is on he bill. McCain doesn't care what those town hallers are squawking about. It's the house that will kabosh everything as usual. The local yokels control them completely.
Um, isn't that how it was intended?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Speaking of 2016, this guy knows how to turn an awkward moment into a win...
Hello again, Steve:
It IS. But, why don't you speak frank with us??Quote:
Um, isn't that how it was intended?
The PURPOSE of the right wing flip flop is to GAIN the Hispanic vote.. Nobody is pretending that you've actually CHANGED your minds about illegals, and NOBODY believes that you have - especially the Hispanics...
So, my question to you is, is it better to succumb to what the local yokels want, or win a presidency? OR, in the alternative, do you believe you CAN win the presidency even if you DON'T get that vote??
Excon
You'd think that as much as Hispanics hate Republicans and with Texas having a Hispanic population roughly 3 times the national average, Texas wouldn't be run by a bunch of white Republicans.
I don't want the illegal alien vote. As for McCain .I admire his service . But his record as a Senator has been at best mixed. He has this Senate 'commity ' obsession and concedes on too many positions as a result. Just this week he was doing a great job holding up Hagel's appointment to try to get answers on Benghazi. Then at the critical moment ;he backed down and threw away all the leverage he'd built .
He knows what the Republicans want in an immigration bill . But he is demonstrating yet again that he will cave.
Hello again, Steve:Are you saying that you're HAPPY with your current policy of throw 'em out, and so are Texas Hispanics?? I can't tell.. Are you FOR amnesty, or not? To quote John McCain, all I want is a yes or no.Quote:
You'd think that as much as Hispanics hate Republicans and with Texas having a Hispanic population roughly 3 times the national average, Texas wouldn't be run by a bunch of white Republicans.
And, Marco Rubio?? Maybe he'll move to Israel.
Excon
2003 Texas redistricting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The war goes on.Quote:
The 2003 Texas redistricting refers to a controversial mid-decade congressional redistricting plan. In the 2004 elections, it resulted in the Republicans' taking a majority of the House seats for the first time since Reconstruction, by a 21 to 11 margin, or a 2 to 1 ratio. This was disproportional to the voting breakdown in the state in the presidential election, in which there was a 61/38 voting ratio of Republicans to Democrats. Opponents challenged the plan in three suits, combined when the case went to the United States Supreme Court in League of United Latin American Citizens v. Perry.
On June 28, 2006, the Supreme Court upheld the statewide redistricting as constitutional, with the exception of Texas' 23rd congressional district, which it held was racially gerrymandered in violation of Section 2 of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, apparently to try to protect a Hispanic Republican representative. This district had to be redrawn in a plan with oversight by the court. When completed, a special election was held for the representative of the new district; the Democrat Ciro Rodriguez won the seat.
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