So do I Speech but you aren't a republican Tparty far right wing conservative on TV, and radio, talking about everybody like their dogs.Quote:
I don't see anyone running from me, they LOVE me.
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So do I Speech but you aren't a republican Tparty far right wing conservative on TV, and radio, talking about everybody like their dogs.Quote:
I don't see anyone running from me, they LOVE me.
I haven't seen that either, it isn't the right that's thrown civility out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
IF we can't call it that... then it isn't that.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Just trying to give you guys a clue, since you didn't seem to have one.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
So.. by your argument the demoKrats are all part of the AmeriKan Socialist Movement too... because they don't have to actually declare it to be part of it.
That makes no sense what so ever. I was trying to explain why YOU guys aren't very well liked by anyone but yourselves. Don't blame anyone but YOURSELF for that. Declare all you want, or NOT.
No big deal.
I have a clue, I also have principles.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Like I said, I have principles. I don't pander to promote myself, my agenda or be liked. I don't try and buy people for votes, I don't grandstand to show how awesome I am and build on my faux legacy. I help others out of love, and I get plenty of love in return. You can have the masses you bought, the people holding their hand out for "Obama money," I'll take the love every time over the superficial bullsh*t that makes up the progressive movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
You've just proven liberals are legends in their own minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That is true of both parties equally.Quote:
I don't pander to promote myself, my agenda or be liked. I don't try and buy people for votes, I don't grandstand to show how awesome I am and build on my faux legacy. I help others out of love, and I get plenty of love in return. You can have the masses you bought,
Not at all, conservatives believe in policies that help people help themselves, liberals believe government is the answer to everything. Conservatives encourage success, liberals punish success.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You answered me by changing the subject. I'm saying your politicians also do all the things I put in the quotes that you said - and it's true. Your distorted oversimplification of a complex issue adds nothing but creating another boring meaningless talking point.
Don't you ever get tired of mouthing the party line? Helping people is not punishing success, what is punishing success is exporting a successful industry to China so you can make more profitQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Taxing the 53% more heavily to subsidize freebies for the 47% who pay no federal taxes IS punishing success and rewarding failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
THe only FAIR tax is a flat tax... where EVERYONE pays an equal percentage share of their income.
And any argument to the contrary is arguing FOR punishing success... to reward the people who are failures.
Many of those 47% are over 62 and are getting S.S. I am one of them. What freebies am I getting?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The Surprising Facts About Mitt Romney's 47% Who Pay No Income Tax - DailyFinance
There are lots of freebies... far too many. Everyone should pay their fair share... if they did.. they wouldn't be so gung ho about getting free stuff that others have to pay for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Everyone wants something if someone else will be paying for it.
And incidentally... most people on SSI paid into it their entire working lives... and as far as I'm concerned... unless you have SEVERE handicaps that preclude being able to work (fat and lazy isn't a handicap)... or unless you are retirement age.. you shouldn't be getting it.
And yes there ARE a lot of people scamming it... I've seen people faking it going into the SSI office like they are crippled and coming out later like they are heading to the gym...
Older Illegals who never paid a dime into the system that have gained citizenship through amnesty programs are collecting SSI while those of us who have paid 30+ years are being told we have to wait longer IF we are going to get anything at all...
And those aren't mythical.. I know a couple of them... and they can't be the only ones.
And that link is posted by a lefty org for the sole purpose to slam Romney... there are a LOT of people through credits and allowances and special deductions that not only pay no Federal taxes... but they get extra money handed to them.
State Taxes aren't Federal taxes, county taxes aren't Federal taxes, none of those go to the federal government... but Federal taxes are where the money for the government freebies all comes from. That's the Obama Dollars all the welfare people think they are entitled to.
So treat the needy like the greedy? How do you know which is which?
How many of those DID receive free money and weren't found out?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Who? My autistic son who has a part-time job (for nearly 25 years), makes under $10 an hour, and gets an earned-income check once a year?Quote:
And that link is posted by a lefty org for the sole purpose to slam Romney... there are a LOT of people through credits and allowances and special deductions that not only pay no Federal taxes... but they get extra money handed to them.
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State Taxes aren't Federal taxes, county taxes aren't Federal taxes, none of those go to the federal government... but Federal taxes are where the money for the government freebies all comes from. That's the Obama Dollars all the welfare people think they are entitled to.
OK taxation is theft, but you elected the government and gave them the power, you want a fair tax implement a consumption tax and cut back income tax, about 20% each way ort to do it but don't complain at the outcome and put a luxury tax on imported auto's, furniture...Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Why should the successful be punished for working harder? To reward the lazy for not working as hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The poor should pay and equal percentage as the rich... period... see how many people like the "freebies" when THEY have to foot a part of the bill.
Nothing like having skin in the game to level the playing field.
Plenty... because for the most part... they allow it to buy votes... I lost count of how many people I've seen hobble into the SS office on crutches... and 50 feet outside the door stand up, put them under their arm and walk away as able bodied as anyone else... and it's a daily event... not a rare or isolated one. Yes I have worked within sight of one.. where I saw it all day through a window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Plenty of examples out there where a blind eye is turned because the offenders are of a certain political persuasion.
Starting with the Illegals... none of them are paying taxes because none of them have SSN#'s if they have been then they are guilty of identity theft for using someone else's number... another crime in itself. And yes that happens fairly often.
If you even face charges these days is all about who you know... Google up Pat Moran... they had him on video tape confessing about how to commit voter fraud and get away with it... because they do it... but his daddy a congressman got them to drop charges. If it was you or I... we would be going to jail.
No Republicans work for S.S. and can balance out these nasty Dem "giveaways"?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I had a (Republican) friend who tried to cheat the system (she lost my friendship along the way), but she never was able to profit, was always found out during the follow-up process.
A former coworker's husband worked for 30 years for S.S. has horror stories to keep you up all night, but maintains they did their utmost to keep cheaters off the rolls. Oh, and he's a Democrat.
Again, how many of those you see so blithely skipping out of the S.S. office actually do end up with a check?
They pay all sorts of taxes, but just not income tax (yet).Quote:
Starting with the Illegals... none of them are paying taxes
Clete you have to understand that the conservatives in the US are furious that they have been elected out of power, and only hold a shrinking majority in one of 3 branches of government. That's why they are coming on here hollering sour grapes about there own government because they have been rejected by a majority vote of the people TWICE, in 2008, and 2012.
They cannot accept that rejection so they cry the blues, spit gloom and doom, and call names. I mean, what else can they do but have a hissy fit.
Tal you don't think I understand, we lost the unloseable election three years ago and have had to do another three years hard Labor thanks to turncoat independents and scum, I am on the conservative end of politics here and I understand. You have to suck it up and plan for the future. We know you can't have it all your own way and things change, times change and opinions change, but you won't win with lame duck candidates and more of the same policies that have been rejected by the electorate. Look, my mob are already talking policies that might cost me and will certainly cost members of my family, but hard as it is those family members will accept the cost if it means change. What these people don't realise is that those who get benefits don't want to get benefits, they want a job, they want more and better, but if it isn't there, then they have to liveQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Wondergirl asked you, "What freebies am I getting?" So you answer her with the worst type of partizan tripe.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I see. So it is the case that because I am fat I must also be lazy. Is this the ludicrous generalization you are trying to make?
Tut, I predict you will get quite frustrated if you are looking for non-partisan discussions from this member.Quote:
Is this the ludicrous generalization you are trying to make?
If you use being fat as an excuse to not work because your legs hurt as a result... then it means you are. There are also fat people out there who aren't lazy... which one are you? I know plenty of both...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Oh look at who spews out that comment... the person who DEFINES partisan on this board. You've got absolutely NO business trowing that around with your history of partisan comments on this site.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Lol!
Right... thats why they workd for cash and don't keep bank accounts for the most part... so they can avoid paper trails and taxes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I know well over a dozen people that manage to avoid most taxes that way... its called working off the books... and there are a LOT of people that do it, some of them aren't even illegals. I can't do that because the work I do doesn't lend itself to cash payments.
They don't make any effort to weed out the welfare rolls... I see welfare people and people in the projects that drive nicer cars than I can afford... and if you calculate all the freebies and handouts they get... a family of four would have to make over $60K just to pay for them.
Your sons case doesn't apply here, because he's got a legitimate handicap... one he was born with and one he in all likelihood will have the rest of his life... his limitations are not of his own choice or yours. And contrary to the people I am talking about... I'm sure he has actually tried to be the best he can be.
Not everyone was born to be the next Bill Gates, (not the smartest guy on the block but had the right idea at the right time who pursued it the right way) , Or Steve Jobs... (who was a great marketing guy... but Steve Wozniak was the brains behind Apple in the early days)
The ones I have a disdain for are the people who did as little as they could in school... maybe even dropped out... then take the easy way out while complaining they are entitled to more...
They are entitled to work to earn it if they want it... they are not entitled to have it handed to them. Everyone has the opportunity... what they do with it is up to them... and a LOT of people are happy without having to have it all... its their choice.
Clearly you don't like the truth being pointed out when you are being hypocritical.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Ok. BTW I voted Conservative last election.
As if your side hasn't been rejected much. I believe there are 30 Republican governors as well you know. But it's funny how your side twists the truth, the only ones throwing hissy fits are Democrats because Republicans won't bend over and take it in the a$$ at their every whim. That's the job of the opposing side, to oppose, so get over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That's that's the way american politics is designed to work? Oppose everything? It's no wonder you guys are in the mess you're in.Quote:
That's the job of the opposing side, to oppose,
So in Canadian government everyone walks in lockstep? Bwa ha ha!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Originally Posted by smoothy
That's not what you said. You took two contrasting words, 'fat' and 'lazy' and used the conjunction 'and' to make them into a non-contrasting statement.
Despite your prejudice towards overweight people it is less likely that the two conditions 'fat' and 'lazy' will be satisfied. That is, satisfied when compared to the words being found in singular statements.
If those are the only two options you see then I guess we go no further with this.Quote:
So in Canadian government everyone walks in lockstep?
Ok, whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Your opposition doesn't bother me because as more people get informed and involved they walk away from far right lunacy, as a protection of their own booty holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Its clear MORE are seeing the far right as hollering and accusing while they indeed are the ones perpetrating everything they deny doing. I respectfully submit that while you have been screwing what you consider the underclass people for centuries, you balk when they have grown big enough, you think, to give you the same screwing you gave them.
That's a perception based in fear, as the ones you screwed don't want to screw YOU, but have a share of the country they helped to build, that you denied them. Interesting indeed is the notion that when those denied rights for so long would be screwing you when they get and finally exercise THEIR own rights.
But keep opposing everything, we love you blaming others as we watch you screw yourselves in the process.
What's clear is the left (and their media accomplices) are demonizing the right relentlessly and dishonestly and no one except Fox and the conservative blogosphere is holding Democrats accountable for anything. Your post is an excellent example. I want people to make informed decisions, your side wants the me to remain clueless. Them's the facts, Jack.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I know what I said... and its not what you are trying to make it into... let me guess... you voted for Obama and believe the economy is getting better and jobs are being created too, just because the Messiah claims its so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Also despite there being 8.5 million fewer people in the workforce today than was in it 4 years ago... and that number hasn't been improving... you do know the real unemployment rate is 14.4% not the bogus number they claim that doesn't include people who didn't qualify for benefits because they were self eployed or contractors... or gave up looking when their benitits ran out..
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm
The U6 rate on the linked chart... from the Bureau of Laborstatistics website directly...
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