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  • Feb 14, 2013, 08:41 PM
    paraclete
    Honest is a difficult term to define, but few of our politicians are millionaires, and it certainly isn't a qualification for high office. We operate in a somewhat different paradigm and with some very vigilent anti-corruption watchdogs. Some erstwhile state politicians are getting the treatment at the moment and very few make the transition to federal politics and even those who do fall foul of the same processes. It is my understanding you rate higher than we do on the international corruption indexes
  • Feb 15, 2013, 04:30 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    I don't have a NEED to impress any of you,
    Apparently you do since you continuously do try to impress us with your insider knowledge and worldliness.
  • Feb 15, 2013, 09:29 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Apparently you do since you continuously do try to impress us with your insider knowledge and worldliness.

    You got a real problem up there in the great white north... got nothing better to do up there... mabe go shovel some snow or something?
  • Feb 15, 2013, 09:31 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    honest is a difficult term to define, but few of our politicians are millionaires, and it certainly isn't a qualification for high office. We operate in a somewhat different paradigm and with some very vigilent anti-corruption watchdogs. Some erstwhile state politicians are getting the treatment at the moment and very few make the transition to federal politics and even those who do fall foul of the same processes. It is my understanding you rate higher than we do on the international corruption indexes

    And who creates those "Indexes" and what bias do they have? You have to look at underlying motives with many of those groups, and look at who is funding them.. Transparency is something most of them don't believe in.
  • Feb 15, 2013, 10:22 AM
    talaniman
    Quid pro QUO on the down low. Everybody has an agenda. Nobody wants to reveal it. Right or left.
  • Feb 15, 2013, 02:12 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    And who creates those "Indexes" and what bias do they have? You have to look at underlying motives with many of those groups, and look at who is funding them.. Transparency is something most of them don't believe in.

    Organisations like
    Quote:

    Transparency International commissioned Johann Graf Lambsdorff of the University of Passau to produce the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI).[4] The 2012 CPI draws on 13 different surveys and assessments from 12 different institutions.[5] The institutions are the African Development Bank, the Bertelsmann Foundation, the Economist Intelligence Unit, Freedom House, Global Insight, International Institute for Management Development, Political and Economic Risk Consultancy, Political Risk Services, the World Economic Forum, the World Bank and the World Justice Project,

    But the interesting thing is they all agree on placing you well up the list, OK you don't rate as badly as Russia or Afghanistan but there is room for improvement
  • Feb 15, 2013, 03:24 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    organisations like



    but the interesting thing is they all agree on placing you well up the list, ok you don't rate as badly as Russia or Afghanistan but there is room for improvement

    I'd have to look into that one because I don't know it off the top of my head specifically but I bet they have a record of anti-American sentiment.. which is common in a lot of those offshore places... many of whom are located in countries with a history of not having the freedoms they crow about.

    But the jist of that seems to have a lot in common with the groups that feel they are entitled to handouts they never have to pay back... and not have any conditions for the handouts either...

    Most places the say World this or World that... are usually not pro-democracy or pro-capitalism groups... they feel entitled to handouts because certain countries prosper because of all the things they don't believe in and they take exception to it..

    I'm willing to be they rave about the Palestinians and belittle the Israelis.. in some release... but I have a few things to do first... I'll check later.
  • Feb 15, 2013, 03:53 PM
    speechlesstx
    It's confirmed, Obama did not pick up the phone to do a damn thing about the Benghazi attack. An eight hour attack, preceded by multiple requests for increased security, repeated warnings that the compound could not withstand an attack and a cable warning of an imminent attack which killed our ambassador and others, and Zero was a zero.

    Quote:

    President Obama didn’t make any phone calls the night of the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, the White House said in a letter to Congress released Thursday. “During the entire attack, the president of the United States never picked up the phone to put the weight of his office in the mix,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, who had held up Mr. Obama’s defense secretary nominee to force the information to be released. Mr. Graham said that if Mr. Obama had picked up the phone, at least two of the Americans killed in the attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi might still be alive because he might have been able to push U.S. aid to get to the scene faster. The White House has said Mr. Obama was kept up to date on the attack by his staff, though after being alerted to the attack in a pre-scheduled afternoon meeting he never spoke again with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Martin E. Dempsey or then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.
    But hey, he got off to his campaign event.
  • Feb 15, 2013, 05:42 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    he got off to his campaign event.
    While 3.000 americans were being killed Bush was reading a children's book to students for a photo op.
  • Feb 15, 2013, 05:57 PM
    tomder55
    New book adds an additional twist to the gun running angle (which the authors call an "open secret" ). The Obots were running operations in Libya that even General P at CIA ,and Evita at State was kept out of the loop. What the book details is a detail that I could not find ,a motive for the attack .

    Quote:

    It turns out that, per the book, the West, particularly the United States, leading up to the 2011 Libyan civil war had been flooding Libya with literally millions of weapons. After the West—NATO, with Obama at the helm—decided to topple Gaddafi, these millions of weapons then fell into Al-Qaeda and associated groups' hands. And what Team Obama wasn't funneling to the Syrian rebels (what Benghazi: The Definitive Report calls an “open secret”)—they wanted to get back from groups such as Ansar al-Sharia. Brennan, throughout North Africa, had been conducting his secret JSOC wars against al-Qaeda and associated groups; and lo and behold, yes, Mr. Brennan, there was retaliation. And that retaliation resulted in the deaths of four Americans at the consulate in Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11.

    The whole Obama Benghazi cover-up was only partially about hiding the illegal funneling of Libyan weapons to Syria and was mainly about the real—but illegal—Commander-in-Chief John Brennan conducting secret wars in Libya—without approval from Congress, without approval from the Pentagon, and hidden even from the CIA, with only a behind-doors approval by Barack Hussein Obama.
    I can just hear Zero telling John Brennan ,"yeah ,yeah {yawn} do what is necessary " .Brennan, who is now the nominee to head the CIA, was given a blank check. To do just about whatever he needed to do in North Africa and the Mideast, Brennan ,who has also directed the drone campaign chose to conduct a dangerous covert classified war without keeping Stevens in the loop .Stevens paid with his life.

    Benghazi Attack Was Retaliation For Brennan?s Secret Al-Qaeda War

    The authors... Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL, close friend of slain former Seal Glen Doherty,and the Executive Media Director of the Special Operations web site SOPFREP.com (Special Operations Forces Report) . Jack Murphy is an eight year Army Special Operations veteran ,and Managing Editor, USASOC Editor of SOPFREP.
  • Feb 15, 2013, 06:16 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    While 3.000 americans were being killed Bush was reading a children's book to students for a photo op.

    Right... and where was Bill Clinton? For that matter where was you anyway.. do you have an Alibi?

    Because Unlike Bengazi where it happened over 7 straight hours when we had rapid reaction troops 45 minutes away... and Obama didn't give a hoot the entire time, we didn't know what was happening until after it happened on 9/11... EVERYONE... and I do mean EVERYONE thought the first one was an accident... it wasn't until after the Pentagon and the second one it became obvious it wasn't an accident.

    And by the way Einstein... Bush was reading to those kids when the FIRST plane hit... without warning... contrary to what you might believe... he wasn't still doing it when the second plane hit OR the Pentagon got hit... but then facts don't matter much to you, do they.

    Are you one of the loons that believes the Jewish Lobby did it?
  • Feb 15, 2013, 08:44 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    .

    Are you one of the loons that believes the Jewish Lobby did it?

    Did what? The Israeli do many things to look after their own security so discount nothing
  • Feb 15, 2013, 08:50 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Did what? The Israeli do many things to look after their own security so discount nothing

    You are beyond hope if you believe that crap...
  • Feb 15, 2013, 09:16 PM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    I'd have to look into that one because I don't know it off the top of my head specifically but I bet they have a record of anti-American sentiment..which is common in a lot of those offshore places....many of whom are located in countries with a history of not having the freedoms they crow about.

    At least three of these are American organizations.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post

    But the jist of that seems to have a lot in common with the groups that feel they are entitled to handouts they never have to pay back...and not have any conditions for the handouts either....

    Usually we don't start a new paragraph with the word, "But". By doing so you are creating a number of predicates without subjects. The gist of what? What groups? A new paragraph is for a new idea.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post

    Most places the say World this or World that.....are usually not pro-democracy or pro-capitalism groups....they feel entitled to handouts because certain countries prosper because of all the things they don't believe in and they take exception to it..

    I am not sure what you are saying in this paragraph? Exception to what? What are some of the things they don't they believe in?

    I did mention ellipsis points in a previous thread. Generally ellipsis points are used as an indication that no clarification is required. In this particular paragraph clarification would be of help.
  • Feb 15, 2013, 09:20 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    At least three of these are American organizations.



    Usually we don't start a new paragraph with the word, "But". By doing so you are creating a number of predicates without subjects. The gist of what? What groups? A new paragraph is for a new idea.



    I am not sure what you are saying in this paragraph? Exception to what? What are some of the things they don't they believe in?

    Why are you using ellipsis points? Generally they are used as an indication that no clarification is required. In this particular paragraph clarification would be of help.

    There are plenty of Anti-American groups in the USA... Southern Law Center, ACLU, The Democrat party for just three of them.

    On the rest

    This isn't English Grammar class so stuff it... who appointed you grammar cop anyway?
  • Feb 15, 2013, 09:26 PM
    Tuttyd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post

    This isn't English Grammar class so stuff it .....who appointed you grammar cop anyway?



    Just trying to help you get your message across. If you are not interested then that's fine with me.
  • Feb 16, 2013, 07:25 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    While 3.000 americans were being killed Bush was reading a children's book to students for a photo op.

    Yeah was a pathetic cheap shot as usual. Bush was where he was supposed to be at the time, where the hell was Obama for eight hours when he had opportunity to do something?
  • Feb 16, 2013, 07:35 AM
    NeedKarma
    I was just parodying your post here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3397433

    Quote:

    But hey, he got off to his campaign event.
    Like always when I do the same thing you do you suddenly find my use of it offensive. I think there's a word for that. :D

    Have a great day - I'm off to a funspiel.
  • Feb 16, 2013, 08:06 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I was just parodying your post here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3397433


    Like always when I do the same thing you do you suddenly find my use of it offensive. I think there's a word for that. :D

    Have a great day - I'm off to a funspiel.

    As always, you might have a point if the facts supported you but they don't. Bush did the right thing, Obama did not.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2069582,00.html
  • Feb 16, 2013, 08:14 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    As always, you might have a point if the facts supported you but they don't. Bush did the right thing, Obama did not.

    Students with Bush on 9/11 Look Back After bin Laden Death - TIME

    Clinton: I warned Bushabout bin Laden threat

    Quote:

    “In his campaign, Bush had said he thought the biggest security issue was Iraq and a national missile defense,” Clinton said, according to Reuters. “I told him that in my opinion, the biggest security problem was Osama bin Laden.”
    Read more at Clinton: I warned Bushabout bin Laden threat
    Who is rewriting history? Who did the right thing?
  • Feb 16, 2013, 08:33 AM
    speechlesstx
    Bush knew they were atracking that day and went to Florida? So you're a truther, eh?

    Obama was right there, with an urgent cable of an imminent threat and did nothing through an 8 hour attack, then sent a stooge out to lie about it.
  • Feb 16, 2013, 09:25 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Quote:

    Bush knew they were atracking that day and went to Florida? So you're a truther, eh?
    Do they have a name for the Benghazi yahoos like you yet? I'm going to invent one.

    You're the Benghazi whores. How about Benziphobes? What about Benziniers? Oooh, I like that. Any others?

    Excon
  • Feb 16, 2013, 09:58 AM
    talaniman
    How about the right wing noise machine? Where facts don't matter just the NOISE.
  • Feb 16, 2013, 10:32 AM
    tomder55
    Just finished the e-book... it's about a 2 hr read ;more like a long essay . Basically it blames Brennan for running covert ops in Libya related to whacking jihadists. Neither the CIA under Petraeus, or Stevens and the State Dept were unaware of these ops .They were carried out from the White House ala Ollie North style. Evidently Zero had little knowledge or interest in Brennan's activities . Brennan it contends kicked a hornets nest and the jihadists ,looking for revenge ,targeted the mission .
    The book also claims that General P realized after the attack that he had been out of the loop and effectively resigned weeks before the revelations about his affair. However ,the desk jockeys at CIA were not happy about Petraeus reign there and had found out about his trists from his security contingent ;and had leaked it to the FBI . They set it up so Petraeus could not leave on his own terms ;and they calculated that they had damaged any future run for the Presidency by the General.
    Benghazi: The Definitive Report: Brandon Webb, Jack Murphy: Amazon.com: Kindle Store
  • Feb 16, 2013, 10:38 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Do they have a name for the Benghazi yahoos like you yet? I'm gonna invent one.

    You're the Benghazi whores. How about Benziphobes? What about Benziniers?? Oooh, I like that. Any others?

    excon

    I call your side the' Benghazi deniers '.. Evita is the poster person "what difference does it make" ?
    http://www.federalobserver.com/wp-co...e-hillary.jpeg
  • Feb 17, 2013, 07:31 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I call your side the' Benghazi deniers '.. Evita is the poster person "what difference does it make" ?
    http://www.federalobserver.com/wp-co...e-hillary.jpeg

    Yet another form of BDS, Benghazi Denier Syndrome.
  • Feb 17, 2013, 08:55 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Benziniers:

    Quote:

    Yet another form of BDS, Benghazi Denier Syndrome.
    This, from people who believe that Obama gave guns to Mexicans so they would kill an American. And, that would piss off the people SOOOOO bad, that Obama could confiscate all the guns..

    Okee doakee.

    Excon

    PS> Since you wingers LOVE Obama conspiracy crap, I'm sure you'll LOVE this.
  • Feb 17, 2013, 10:30 AM
    tomder55
    So far Dr Garrow is a single source so I am not inclined to believe it ;yet . He is in fact a Nobel Peace Prize winner (the same year Obama won it... except Garrow did something to earn it ).He is a renown author and activist... author of "The Pink Pagoda: One Man's Quest to End Gendercide in China". He has rescued thousands of girls from death in China and currently owns and operates over 250 schools there . However ;it is unlikely that the President would make such an overt question without it being confirmed by more than one
    2nd hand source.
  • Feb 17, 2013, 10:45 AM
    talaniman
    He is entitled to his opinion. Though his logic is flawed in my opinion. I get suspicious with unnamed, high ranking, anonymous sources.
  • Feb 17, 2013, 10:50 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    No matter WHO the good doctors is, his SOURCE won't reveal himself.. So, let me talk about his SOURCE.

    I'm a businessman/salesman/military veteran... I have vendors ask me, "IF you offered this to your customers, WOULD they buy it?" I answer with a scowl.

    In the real world, where the rubber meets the road, that's a question that CANNOT be answered. In fact, in LIFE it can't be answered with certainty.

    If I -- would you?

    The military doesn't deal with uncertainty. Therefore, the question, would you obey an order if I issued it, would NEVER be proposed in the military! That would be NEVER. The question IMPLIES that there's a CHOICE. In the military, there is NO choice.. The chain of command doesn't want to know if their order, say, to take that hill WILL be obeyed. The chain of command ORDERS it, and the troops COMPLY. There is NO if. On the battlefield, you comply or you get shot.

    Therefore, in my view, the question clearly comes from the mind of somebody who has NEVER served, and somebody who wants to stir up trouble.

    excon
  • Feb 17, 2013, 11:06 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    In the military, there is NO choice
    Tell that to Glen Doherty who was denied 3 requests to assist Ambassador Stevens ;and ultimately defied them ;and led a rescue mission to the compound ,that saved over 30 staffers ,and which ultimately cost him his life.
    Yes sometimes orders don't get obeyed . The military command is sworn to defend the Constitution and not necessarily follow orders like some drone.
  • Feb 17, 2013, 12:21 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Benziniers:

    This, from people who believe that Obama gave guns to Mexicans so they would kill an American. And, that would piss off the people SOOOOO bad, that Obama could confiscate all the guns..

    Okee doakee.

    excon

    Interesting theory, how long did it take for you to make that one up?
  • Feb 17, 2013, 12:34 PM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    Quote:

    Tell that to Glen Doherty who was denied 3 requests to assist Ambassador Stevens
    You TOO, are unable to differentiate between an ORDER from a request.. It's FURTHER evidence that the leaker is a PHONY!

    Excon
  • Feb 17, 2013, 12:41 PM
    tomder55
    You have no idea who the leaker is or if there even is a leaker. This whole discussion about Garrow is a diversion from the Benghazi issue . For that matter Fast and Furious is not relevant either .

    Glen Doherty was told to stand down so he disregarded direct orders .
  • Feb 17, 2013, 02:10 PM
    paraclete
    Yeah stay on subject dude
  • Feb 18, 2013, 10:18 AM
    tomder55
    http://www.bokbluster.com/wordpress/...han_woods1.jpg
  • Feb 18, 2013, 10:41 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Benziniers:

    This, from people who believe that Obama gave guns to Mexicans so they would kill an American. And, that would piss off the people SOOOOO bad, that Obama could confiscate all the guns..

    Okee doakee.

    excon

    PS> Since you wingers LOVE Obama conspiracy crap, I'm sure you'll LOVE this.

    So you are saying Fast and Furious never happened? Not even the Democrat leadership is making that claim.
  • Feb 25, 2013, 02:27 PM
    tomder55
    Good thing we have a new Sec State to clarify the President's foreign policy . I bet even Evita did not know there was a nation called “Kyrzakhstan,” who has been a major ally in the war on terror .
    John Kerry gaffe: Secretary of State makes up new country 'Kyrzakhstan' | Mail Online

    Imagine the US press if former Sec State Condi Rice had made such a gaff!! If you need an example ,just look at how they trashed Romney over his alleged gaffs on his foreign junkets . Imagine what they would've said if Sarah Palin had said that!!
    Hmmm Kyrzakhstan... isn't that where Borat came from ?
  • Feb 25, 2013, 04:36 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    So you are saying Fast and Furious never happened? Not even the Democrat leadership is making that claim.

    As far as I can see nothing ever happens over there
  • Feb 25, 2013, 08:59 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    As far as I can see nothing ever happens over there

    Not surprised... the curvature of the earth and all.

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