Not at all Tom I grew up in a time of protectionism when we had full employment and our manufacturing industries made everything, high quality, I know the benefits of protectionism, it might be a little more expensive but we aren't beholding to anyone. Back in those days we had a strategic view, we knew the possibilities of being cut off from supply. We have lots of people we can't employ now because those industries are gone. Free Trade is rubbish, and we were fool enough to fall for your line, and our industries have been decimated.

You guys wonder why I am not impressed by the way you operate, it is because as a student of economics I see what has been done. Destruction of our industries because we have reduced protection, now we are flooded with cheap imports and yankee culture and the worst part is, you didn't really benefit, you are in worse shape then we are

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Me neither.. But, that's about 10% of the people - NOT 47%! You guys really DO have trouble with ARITHMETIC.

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You pulling numbers out of your butt is no different than Romney. But just for the sake of arithmetic, the champion of the middle class is adding more of them to the ranks of the poor.

protectionism is for the lazy who don't want or can't compete in the market. Ultimately it does hurt your consumers who could get better value for their money ;and probably better quality in the open market. The way we handle it is... Americans want to buy Toyotas . So we make deals with Toyota to build a plant or 2 here. Back in Japan that's called job outsourcing . For the same reason ,if US automakers want to tap into the Chinese market ,it's reasonable that they make the product there .It benefits both countries.

Obama isn't the one who has closed plants here for 30 years and sent them over seas, big business has and it was facilitated by giving them the money and the tax breaks to do it with.

Americans cannot compete with the lax work rules and cheap slave labor of other countries, but the solution isn't to make us like them is it? Seems so since it destroyed the middle class.

Don't worry, those foreign slaves will wake up and want a raise just like we did. And the business model will change there too!

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Obama isn't the one who has closed plants here for 30 years and sent them over seas, big business has and it was facilitated by giving them the money and the tax breaks to do it with.

Americans cannot compete with the lax work rules and cheap slave labor of other countries, but the solution isn't to make us like them is it? Seems so since it destroyed the middle class.

Don't worry, those foreign slaves will wake up and want a raise just like we did. And the business model will change there too!

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Raises come from making money for your employer..

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But if you can keep your employees uneducated (as they have always been) and in the dark that such things exist, you can keep those profits for yourself. That's part of the reason for the Arab Spring -- people are figuring out that they aren't getting their cut of profits.

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Oh really? That's how coal miners and waitresses get raises?

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But if you can keep your employees uneducated (as they have always been) and in the dark that such things exist, you can keep those profits for yourself. That's part of the reason for the Arab Spring -- people are figuring out that they aren't getting their cut of profits.

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I'm sure those 18,000 laid off Hostess workers are happy to be educated.

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Oh really? Thats how coal miners and waitresses get raises?

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I thought you guys liked arithmetic this week. It's basic math, in spite of the lies liberals put out about it, you don't get something for nothing.

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I'm sure those 18,000 laid off Hostess workers are happy to be educated.

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Would they not have been out of work if Romney was elected president?

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Irrelevant to the point.

The Teamsters approved the deal . The rank and file shot themselves in the foot . Maybe with expanded unemployment benefits ;free government cheese food stamps and Obamaphones they think they are getting a better deal.

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It's totally relevant. The business closing has nothing to do with politics no matter how much you bleat about it.

They bought 4 years of unemployement benefits when they voted for Obama... now none of them have to get up early to bake or deliver anything.

They can eat until the job creators do their job.

They had jobs but they got greedy .

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I thought you guys liked arithmetic this week. It's basic math, in spite of the lies liberals put out about it, you don't get something for nothing.

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Its YOU guys who say people get something for nothing, but real working people know it's a trade off.

So does big business, what your point?

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It's totally relevant. The business closing has nothing to do with politics no matter how much you bleat about it.

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The point was about "educated" workers, not politics, making your post irrelevant to the point.

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Its YOU guys who say people get something for nothing, but real working people know its a trade off.

So does big business, what your point?

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You asked, I answered. Try and keep up.

Steve,
The Hostess thing was brought up way before that https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3325378
Try to keep up.

Nothing said about the company in Illinois closing and moving to China. Just nit picking of the facts to make an argument.

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Steve,
The Hostess thing was brought up way before that https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3325378
Try to keep up.

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Since mine was the first response to that I would know. Try and keep up.

These threads are quite pointless aren't they.
They are echo chambers.

How long did it take you to realise that

LOL, quite a while ago. It's fun to call them on their talking points now and then though.

It all does tend to drone on and on like a dog with a bone, can't someone bring some finality

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LOL, quite a while ago. It's fun to call them on their talking points now and then though.

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The same can be said by us about your side too.

I'm sure it could, my response to crap is likely to be in the same vein

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I don't have a "side".

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I don't have a "side".

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And the sun isn't a hot place too.

New Obama bumper sticker :
'Osama bin Laden is dead... and so are Twinkies '


Yahooo!! Twinkies are saved!! But they are outsourced :

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada-spared-...ch-11-1.752048

Why are you linking the Hostess situation with Obama?

Why does Obama still blame Bush for everything?

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How quickly the Democrats forget their past...

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As I said long ago stuck in an eighteenth century time warp

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Why don't you move to a communist country if you like socialism so much.


I seem to remember you guys have been effectively disarmed by your paranoid politicians.

Our system has worked VERY well... thats why it has lasted so long... what has NEVER worked in the history of mankind was ANY form of socialism... or communism.

For the basic reason... you eventually run out of other peoples money.

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Why don't you move to a communist country if you like socialism so much.

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Why it is much more fun in an unplanned economy like this one

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I seem to remember you guys have been effectively disarmed by your paranoid politicians.

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I don't know what you mean, our military spending is on par with the rest of the world, and we can own guns, we just can't own military weapons. However unlike yourselves most of us choose not to, because we don't expect to be confronted by some nutcase with a gun. We collectively thought it was a good idea to remove military weapons from the general population when a nutcase murdered many and no prizes for guessing we have not had a similar even since, now you on the other hand can't say that

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Our system has worked VERY well... thats why it has lasted so long... what has NEVER worked in the history of mankind was ANY form of socialism... or communism.

For the basic reason... you eventually run out of other peoples money.

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Yes and guess who ran out first, your system has worked well to enrich the few and impoverish the many, it worked best when it was fuelled by slave labour, you keep forgetting that these people you revere so much were slave owners, exploiters and their policy was to enrich themselves. Your system worked well until you made the fatal mistake of putting your means of production in the hands of the communists

You see what is interesting is that our system hasn't run out of money and yours has. We might argue about how the money is spent but we still have the ability to spend it for the public, not private, good

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As if no one ever looks to the past for wisdom? The bible? Confucius? Socrates? Plato? Aristotle?