The ID debacle has been put to bed, so lets get some integrity bac kin the system ,like do something about the 4 hour waiting in line part. Time to do this right!
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The ID debacle has been put to bed, so lets get some integrity bac kin the system ,like do something about the 4 hour waiting in line part. Time to do this right!
Yes BO expressed some concern about that, you know if you had compulsory voting you could calculate how many people were going to turn out and how many polling places you need. Queueing theory would allow you to calculate how many machines it would take to get the wait down to say 15 minutes of course I'm speaking about a utopian place like Australia where such things are possible and we don't even use voting machines. I hear it took 45 minutes to lodge a vote using a machine, what is that about?
Some states had ballots that were 5 pages long!
Ours rarely get beyond two two foot pages but even so what could possibly take so long, don't your voters make up their mind before they go? We long ago devised a simple system called above the line voting, to cut through the guff you place a 1 , etc, above the line and the propositions the parties have preprepared are applied
And if people would do their homework before showing up they wouldn't have to stand there holding up those of us who did.
You see speech this is the result of your population being inexperienced with the voting process
We did okay, we knew the outcomes before midnight.
Wasn't what I meant, the delay at the polls is because first time voters don't know what to expect. With all that machine voting the answer should be almost instantaneous
And 5 days later he's probably going to the big house instead the House of Representatives.Quote:
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Chi-town is sending Jesse Jackson Jr back to the House. He hasn't served for months because of psycological problems .
Jesse Jackson Jr. Wins Reelection From Mayo Clinic | NBC Chicago
Good. Crooks should go to jail.
The lines were generally longer where local Democrat ward bosses ran the show. What does that tell you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What do you expect when some states have unlimitted initiative and referendums ? In NY where we don't have that, the ballots were a simple and compact single page .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I blame republican govenors with a right wing agenda to cut early voting. Cheap bastards, or cunning suppression, or BOTH!!
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Originally Posted by tomder55
What it tells the person from the outside looking in is that too many states are incompetent ( accident or design) when it comes to Federal elections.
Tut
What it might show Tut is a vast difference in capabilities and resources
It's matter of a state's constitution pretty much. Certain issues in some states cannot be decided by the legislature, they must go before the people. That's when we actually get a say and I like it that way.
Hi Steve,Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Fair enough, but I think in four years times you will be going through exactly the same arguments- nothing will have changed. Oh! except for more states adopting I.D. laws.
This in itself will be interesting from my point of view. It may well solve some of your problems, but it will only being tinkering at the edges. What I think will happen is that the scamming games will move closer to- or into the polling stations.
Tut
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Originally Posted by TUT317
The scamming may have already happened and we are unaware of it. In many polling places they have moved to an electronic ballot system. Unlike paper ballots there is no way to truly verify how the actual vote is being tallied. Wasteful or not the paper ballots are much harder to defraud then the electronic style.
In 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, Mitt Romney got zero votes - Philly.comQuote:
In 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, Mitt Romney got zero votes
Statistically impossible in my opinion.
Hello again, tom:
I don't disagree. However, it's not reasonable to believe that you can't actually CATCH somebody, even ONE person doing it. We HAVE lots of cops. We HAVE lots of Republicans WATCHING every precinct. We HAVE lots of state Republican officials trying to catch somebody...Quote:
statistically impossible in my opinion.
Yet, you CAN'T actually CATCH anybody cheating - NOBODY! All you got is wingers COMPLAINING and maybe cooking the books.. PROSECUTION will prove it to me... Hearing right wingers SNIVEL doesn't.
Excon
Then how do you explain it ? The odds that a couple voters in those districts accidentally votes for Romney far exceed the odds of a perfect turn out . Down in Fla ;St Lucie County is registering 140% of turn out . North Carolina urban districts registered votes for the President far exceeding analyst predictions ;and a Republican base that was more motivated than 2008 had a lower turnout for Romney than McCain got ? Please !Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
That's right the cheaters have not been caught. That doesn't mean it isn't happening . I was on the fence as to the extent until I spent the last few days looking into the breakdown of the results .
Hello again, tom:
Without PROOF, it's IDLE speculation. It MIGHT even be LYING. Look. This is SIMPLE. If the Democrats STOLE the election, PROVE it. You'd think you COULD if it was happening... We're talking about MILLIONS of people here. You'd think you could find ONE snitch or ONE cheater. You CAN'T.
Talk about numbers that DEFY logic..
excon
I'm just applying Occams Razor .
Hello again, tom:
I'm not smart enough to know what that is. But, I DO know the law, and I KNOW if millions of people are cheating, and the Republicans have been put ON NOTICE that they were going to, and you can't catch a single one, I apply the BS meter.
excon
And I'm smart enough to know that if the situation was reversed you'd have your ready made explanation of 'voter suppression ' ready with the same degree of legal evidence.
The answer to all this is...
Proof of U.S. citizenship when we registering to vote;
An ID card to prove we are who we claim we are, when we check in to vote;
And replace electronic voting machines with paper ballots.
More oversight of republican govenors. Epecially in Florida. They even screw up paper ballots and Arizona isn't much better.
Hello again, tom:
Nahhh, we just need rules making elections the same in Tuskaloosa, Al, the same as elections in NY City... MAILING in your vote could do it. Everybody has a post office.
excon
Oh yeah mail in ballots are verifiable lol . Here in NY there was a case last year where elected officials pled guilty in a case where they forged mail in ballots in a primary. Now you may claim this is an isolated one off . I say that for every case proven there are many more that get away with it.
Hello again, tom:
Seems to me, that if TWO ballots came in with the SAME signature, that with a little investigation, it COULD be determined WHO the legitimate voter is... If DOZENS came in that way, then they need to do DOZENS of investigations... None of that results in fraudulent votes being counted.
You guys don't seem to consider what you THINK is happening, with what's actually POSSIBLE on the ground.. As I pointed out earlier, if a person wanted to wait in line for 8 hours, he COULD possibly cast ONE fraudulent vote... To think that MILLIONS of people DID that is ridiculous.
So, let's go over mail in voting as it applies to the real world. Tell me HOW it can be rigged.
excon
But you use the exception to prove your case. Most people did not wait in line 8 hours. I was in and out in 5 minutes.
I just told you... elected officials caught in the act pled guilty . You know what the international observers said ? They were shocked at the level of trust that we have in the integrity of our process in light of the fact that there is so little verification .Quote:
Tell me HOW it can be rigged.
Well let me tell you ,on many fronts that confidence is breaking down ;and we best work at installing a higher degree of integrity in our system.Quote:
What's unique about the way the Americans do it, it's not the process, it's the confidence that's placed in the process,"
Foreign election officials amazed by trust-based U.S. voting system | The Cable
More from the "it's come to this" version of America. First, our Interior Secretary threatens to punch out a reporter...
Why so sensitive hombre?Quote:
Interior Secretary Ken Salazar threatened to punch a reporter on a recent trip to Colorado, according to witnesses.
Dave Philipps, a reporter for the Colorado Springs Gazette, tried to ask Salazar about his appointments to the Bureau of Land Management and the wild horse population in the state. Specifically, Philipps had questions about the government's relationship with a wild horse buyer who allegedly sold more than 1,700 horses to Mexican slaughterhouses.
Ginger Kathrens, executive director of the Cloud Foundation, witnessed the exchange between Salazar and a reporter. Her organization put out a release cataloging the exchange and blasting Salazar for his treatment of the press.
According to Kathrens, Salazar took two questions from Philipps before disagreeing with his line of questioning.
"Don't you ever ... You know what, you do that again... I'll punch you out," Salazar reportedly told Philipps before ending the interview and walking off.
The alleged incident took place when Salazar was in Colorado on Election Day, on behalf of the Obama campaign.
"The secretary regrets the exchange," Interior spokesman Blake Androff told POLITICO.
"These threats would have been inappropriate coming from anyone, but the fact that it came out of the mouth of the Secretary of the Interior is alarming,” Kathrens said in a statement. “I can’t believe that a top official in Obama’s cabinet could be so defensive.”
Philipps, the reporter, declined to comment.
Next, an English professor at Montclair State in NJ, thinks Stalin was a swell guy...
And we wonder why our kids are falling behind...Quote:
Dr. Grover Furr, an English professor at Montclair State University in New Jersey, told students that dictator Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Russia regime never murdered millions of people, contra popular belief.
“I have yet to find one crime — yet to find one crime — that Stalin committed,” Furr said. “I know they all say he killed 20, 30, 40 million people — it is bulls–t . . . [Nazi propagandist] Goebbels said that the Big Lie is successful and this is the Big Lie: that the Communists — that Stalin killed millions of people and that socialism is no good.” The allusion to Nazi propaganda came after his interlocutor began to suggest that Furr was using Goebbels’ tactic.
How is this any crazier than the right wingers in Texas trying to secede from the union again? What doesTHAT teach our kid?
It might be a good thing, then Texas could deal with the mexican problem on their own and you wouldn't have any more of that rabid war mongering red neck leadership. You could build a nice wall further north along the Red River
But what would happen to the Alamo? And speech is in the Panhandle.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
They will be building it elsewhere. 47 states want to get away from this government.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
http://www.examiner.com/article/citizens-47-states-sign-petitions-to-secede-from-united-states
Hello again,
Does it surprise me that you can find reactionaries?? Nope.
But, it's just talk. It's DANGEROUS talk, but they HATE their country.. I don't know why. This ISN'T something a patriot does. They're TRAITORS.
excon
So 47 states want to leave, it's got to tell you something. If you drew two lines north south you could fit most of the Republican states in one section and most of the democrat states in two. So back to the original California, United Sates, and the new country of Mississippi Basin at one time called LousiannaQuote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
By design this is exactly what a patriot has the ability to do. That is why the forefathers put in the 2nd amendment for if a time were to come the citizenry could stand their ground against a tyranical government. Here is the problem of the moment. This country is experiencing a gross amount of division. Everyone is feeling it from all sides. Somehow in some way there had to be a meeting of the minds that doesn't have one side always trying to bowl the other over. If you think the right man is in the office at this time to do so then maybe we should all start a campaign to get him off his duff and start actually doing his job.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
We need a leader not someone who thinks they are a rock star and we don't need to be reminded of his color nor anyone else's every 5 minutes.
Do they hate their country Ex or what it has become? You have a polarised electorate, so why not take those who would like to be someplace else and let them leave, What have you lost?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
This is what you get when people's hopes are built up by B/S. It happened once before that a number of people just decided to leave. It is a pity they were stopped, you wouldn't have this problem today, oh I forgot those who were once democrats are now republicans and those who were once republicans are now democrats. How does that work? The leavers want to stay and the stayers want to leave, very fickle people
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