I'm with Ex on this . If the plan is to make it legal then what they are doing is the equivance of the Wickard ruling. Yes it's legal but don't grow it . The government just replaces illegal cartels with legal cartels run by the biggest cartel in the world... the government . The liquor industry is a good comparison. It is not illegal for me to brew my own beer ,or ferment my own wine with proper permitting and restrictions on qty. The ATF has very strict rules on distilling alcohol. To legally distill liquor, you need to fill out a lengthy application for a license, post a bond, have approved equipment, produce extensive records and file timely reports. You will also be subject to a special tax on every bottle of liquor you produce.

And by the way, doesn't Washington do the same thing for distilled spirits, sell them only in state-owned or state contracted stores?

I think that it's the state who gives the license to sell liquor to businesses, but has no ownership or franchise interest in them.

Washington may have changed, but there are states where liquor stores are all state-owned, though some allow sales of beer and wine in grocery and convenience stores such as North Carolina.

Wow! I truly didn't know that. Hope the bars aren't state owned. For some reason that bothers me!!

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Wow! I truly didn't know that. Hope the bars aren't state owned. For some reason that bothers me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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In many states that have state owned liquor stores they have bars next door to them as they are only allowed to sell "mixed" drinks. You byob and they serve you for a nominal fee.

Bet there are a few cops waiting down the road for patrons too!!

I didn't know it until I visited my sister in Tennessee who moved there from North Carolina.

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Where do you think I got the handle "Speed"? Back in my drinking days I was the veep of y\the badest motorcycle club n Tampa. I've been sober now for over 35 years. I don't ride any more and I grew out of drugs like speed when I stopped drinking. To tell you the truth A lot of things changed when I quit drinking. I became straight, respectable and boring as hell! Tom

Well then Tom it is good you gave up booze and drugs cause when you get older these things are not good for you

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I can verify the last part.

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Where do you think I got the handle Speed? Back in my drinking dayze I was veep of the badest motorcycle club in Tampa. My club rode under the Outlaws umbrella, We did a lot of things back 40 years ago. I've been sober for over 35 years and when I stopped drinking I quit hard drugs and the club and turned into a straight, respectable and really boring guy. And now you know the rest of the story. Tom

Is it Groundhog Day?

Hello again:

Something's weird... Not only is the state going to legalize marijuana, but the proposition has virtually NO opposition.. I don't understand that at all..

Any ideas WHY?

excon

Well you know know what you want do you? When you get it you can't recognise it what state is that; Euphoria?

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Now why would you be asking that? Did your head pop out of the ground before you went back down in your hole? Just having a little fun with you Spineless. Because you're such a fun guy. Don't forget to vote! Tom

No Speednut, since you posted the same answer twice I was just wondering if we were stuck in Groundhog Day or you were just demonstrating symptoms of Alzheimer's or some other brain impairment.

Hello again,

It is my fervent hope that we can come together as a country to SOLVE our problems... But, it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

With the authority invested in me, I now pronounce this thread CLOSED.

excon

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AMEN! Let's give it a nice burial. It's been a fun ride, R.I.P. Excon, I can close this thread for you if you wish, Regards, Tom

Hello again,

We're OPEN for business... I have some pressing questions... Before you answer, take a hit. Relax, and STOP yelling..

Marijuana is now LEGAL in my state, or at least semi so.. The over the top drug warrior, Mitt Romney got defeated.. The choom guy is our president.

If he doesn't move aggressively to STOP, both my state and Colorado, from implementing our new laws, the war against marijuana is OVER.

Or, am I smokin too much??

excon

Just posted a new OP on the subject since this one was closed .

Obama may look the other way, but I would still close the curtains before I fired up! I mean he has other things more important than tokers like republicans that think they can still obstruct.

Hello again,

Although they haven't decided, the word is the feds will SUE to STOP my state from implementing the new pot law. Eventually, it will be decided by the Supreme Court. How do you think they'll rule? It looks like a classic case of state vs federal rights.

excon

I thought this thread was closed.

How do YOU think they'll rule?

Hello again, Steve:

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It was, but I have power. And what good is power if you don't use it? Therefore, this thread is liable to be closed and opened several more times.

Let me see. If Scalia wears his Constitutional hat, he'll rule for the state... But, if he wears his religious hat, he'll rule for the feds.

I BELIEVE his moral outrage and indignation will outweigh any "small government" notion that he THINKS he harbors... BIG government will WIN.

You?

Excon

I think as long as the feds have it classified as they do you lose. Of course there's always that shot that Obama's DOJ stops defending federal law.

Hello again, Steve:

The question was whether the Supreme Court would OVERTURN the feds classification, not lay down for it. You DO understand that they have the POWER to do that?

excon

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Hello again, Steve:

The question was whether the Supreme Court would OVERTURN the feds classification, not lay down for it. You DO understand that they have the POWER to do that?

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They can not overturn the classification of a drug. That is not within the courts decision making powers. They may only rule on law and necessity. The tradition is that federal law has always superceded state law. That had been proven many times.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/06/sc...cal.marijuana/

Yep.

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Exactly. But, it wouldn't BE the classification that would be challenged. It would be the LAW itself. If they found even a small part of the drug law to be unconstitutional, they can overturn the ENTIRE law.

I suggest you're looking at it through your drug warrior eyes instead of your states rights eyes... Now, I agree about what's been traditional.. But, a state VOTING to legalize marijuana is ANYTHING but traditional, and states DO have rights. That's different that pot smokers having rights.

I don't think ANYONE has considered the long ranging effects of what these states did. I believe they ENDED the drug war. Yes, it may take another 10 years to finally end, but I think our long nightmare is OVER..

Excon

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Hello again, dad:

Exactly. But, it wouldn't BE the classification that would be challenged. It would be the LAW itself. If they found even a small part of the drug law to be unconstitutional, they can overturn the ENTIRE law.

I suggest you're looking at it through your drug warrior eyes instead of your states rights eyes... Now, I agree about what's been traditional.. But, a state VOTING to legalize marijuana is ANYTHING but traditional, and states DO have rights. That's different that pot smokers having rights.

I don't think ANYONE has considered the long ranging effects of what these states did. I believe they ENDED the drug war. Yes, it may take another 10 years to finally end, but I think our long nightmare is OVER..

excon

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For one thing your reading too much into it if you think I have drug warrior eyes. I think all drugs should be legal. Lets end the war completely. Tax what is left and put it into education and rehab programs. But that is just me. I can dream.

The idea of a supreme court of the land is to keep consistency and to protect the constitution. I agree if a law is found unconstitutional it should be striken. But then again my mindset is finely tuned when it comes to the law and my opinion as to how it is applied without respect as to my likeing of it or not. I still attempt to respect the law.

Hello again, dad:

That's all well and good. My state VOTED to legalize marijuana, and my state has the RIGHT to do that. The feds will either STOP my state, or the drug war is over.

I STILL don't know how you think they'd rule. Want to share?

excon

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Hello again, dad:

That's all well and good. My state VOTED to legalize marijuana, and my state has the RIGHT to do that. The feds will either STOP my state, or the drug war is over.

I STILL don't know how you think they'd rule. Wanna share?

excon

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They will rule with the Feds if it comes to it. Without reading the full text of the law I believe they will follow the example set and not disrupt federal law on prohibition. Just like they have done in California.

As always follow the money. Right now the economy stinks and the feds need an income. Look how much on local, State and federal monies come from the war on drugs.

Hello again, dad:

I STILL think you miss the magnitude of what my state did. I would agree with you if the law resulted from legislation... This resulted from a vote of the public..

Maybe there IS no difference. I think there is. Can you show me where the Supreme Court EVER overturned the VOTERS in a state? Look. There might be lots. I don't know.

excon

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Hello again, dad:

. Can you show me where the Supreme Court EVER overturned the VOTERS in a state?? Look. There might be lots. I don't know.

excon

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Sure I will post this link again. Its from CNN and talks of the SCOTUS decision.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/06/sc...cal.marijuana/


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In a 6-3 vote, the justices ruled the Bush administration can block the backyard cultivation of pot for personal use, because such use has broader social and financial implications.

"Congress' power to regulate purely activities that are part of an economic 'class of activities' that have a substantial effect on interstate commerce is firmly established," Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the majority.

Hello again,

I'm traveling after the law goes into effect.. Can I take an ounce or less THROUGH the TSA screening and get on an airplane with it?

Would it matter that I'm going to Colorado, or not?

excon

Let us know how it works out.