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  • Jul 11, 2012, 05:24 AM
    tomder55
    You corrected that many spelling errors ?
  • Jul 11, 2012, 05:36 AM
    NeedKarma
    Oddly enough, no. :D I help people; on boards that allow ratings. Do you?
  • Jul 11, 2012, 05:58 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Tal ,arrangements have been made as I've documented already. However ,you make a valid point with the transition period.

    The rest of your rant is too ridiculous .

    Almost as ridicules as the as the house taking another symbolic vote to repeal the ACA law, or the relentless republican end run to subvert the rights to an abortion. Or the hostage taking of American well being by refusing to compromise at all on any useful legislation to move the country forward.

    I marvel at the legislative unity of the republican party, but I am disgusted by the results. So is the rest of the country, as your efforts to save your country have been exposed as a tactic to gain power by the plutocrats and destroy the will of the people by destroying the middle class. Now that's truly ridicules.

    You guys, the republicans, yes even the fair minded among you, have sunk pretty low to funnel wealth and power to the few as the many suffer from your actions. Even the common republicans like yourself and Speech, seem to have no clue as to how you are being used by the loony tunes of your far right and the monied interest that exploits your fears to their own ends, at your expense.

    Its easy to rant and rave about the ridicules lock step manner that you guys do business, and how far you would go to accomplish your own agenda, at the expense of the general welfare of the people.

    This is turning the best republic in history into nothing but a third rate dictatorship. History tells us that most great nations are destroyed from within, and you guys are paying no heed to the it.

    Its okay for you to pontificate your truth, but ridicules when I do the same? That's ridicules.

    Something else that's really ridicules,

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../2838719/posts

    Quote:

    "The blind trust is an age-old ruse," Romney told the Boston Globe in October of that year. "You give a blind trust rules. You can say to a blind trust, don't invest in properties which would be in conflict of interest or where the seller might think they're going to get an advantage from me."
    All this effort to scrub this guy and present him as the savior will fail. But your efforts fit the mold of wanting some elite plutocrat to worship,and pay homage to.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 06:02 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Almost as ridicules as the as the house taking another symbolic vote to repeal the ACA law,
    Yes ;we'll see some ridiculous Dems voting with the Repubics because they are concerned about their reelection prospects .
  • Jul 11, 2012, 06:05 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    This is turning the best republic in history into nothing but a third rate dictatorship. History tells us that most great nations are destroyed from within, and you guys are paying no heed to the it.
    Oh we are well aware how the "progressive " agenda is destroying the foundation of the nation. Your rhetoric has little difference in substance than that of Hugo Chavez .
  • Jul 11, 2012, 06:08 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Oddly enough, no. :D I help people; on boards that allow ratings. Do you?

    When I'm inclinded to do so. I don' t obsess over trivial matters like who has more 'reputation'
  • Jul 11, 2012, 06:16 AM
    NeedKarma
    Niether do I. That's whi I've refuzed to become and 'Expert'.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 06:18 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Oh we are well aware how the "progressive " agenda is destroying the foundation of the nation.

    Nope, the "progressive agenda" has nothing to do with it. The taking over of your country by corporations is what's killing whatever one believes is this nebulous "foundation" is.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 06:25 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Oh we are well aware how the "progressive " agenda is destroying the foundation of the nation. Your rhetoric has little difference in substance than that of Hugo Chavez .

    Whether you like it or not, our great nation is making adjustments that have to be made to grow. As to my rhetoric, its no worse than the noise by the right, but with less fear, and gloom, and doom!

    Haven't you noticed?
  • Jul 11, 2012, 07:47 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Thanks man. I'm sure my 8661 rep score to your 1746 rep score means nothing. But go ahead and try to put me down some more, that's how the 'right' seems to function with people of differing opinions.

    Who gives a rat's a$$ about score? You're supposed to help others with no expectation of return.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 07:53 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Who gives a rat's a$$ about score? You're supposed to help others with no expectation of return.

    Agreed. But he was trying to say that I didn't do anything useful on this website so that was a way to show him that was untrue.
    Nice language though.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 08:02 AM
    speechlesstx
    I don't know but I imagine he meant doing something useful on the current events forum - besides acting as the language monitor.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 08:27 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    Eric Holder, our esteemed Attorney General, thinks these voter ID laws are poll taxes. He's RIGHT, and hopefully he can STOP 'em.

    excon
  • Jul 11, 2012, 08:40 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I don't know but I imagine he meant doing something useful on the current events forum - besides acting as the language monitor.

    'Cause I gave him the correct spelling once? That would be a stretch. I guess I need to remember how sensitive some people are.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 08:44 AM
    speechlesstx
    Nice of you and the AG to play the race card.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 08:48 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Nice of you and the AG to play the race card.

    Hello again, Steve:

    Scuze me... Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

    excon
  • Jul 11, 2012, 09:34 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    'Cause I gave him the correct spelling once? That would be a stretch. I guess I need to remember how sensitive some people are.

    "Nice language though."

    I see a pattern.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 09:36 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Scuze me... Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

    excon

    So intentionally firing up blacks with no - zero - evidence to back it up isn't playing the race card?
  • Jul 11, 2012, 09:54 AM
    tomder55
    Poll taxes usually mean some money involved . The only money involved in Pa is the tax- payers footing the bill for free photo id's .
  • Jul 11, 2012, 10:31 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Eric Holder, our esteemed Attorney General, thinks these voter ID laws are poll taxes. He's RIGHT, and hopefully he can STOP 'em.

    excon

    Earlier today Holder addressed the NAACP What did media need in order to attend? That's right, government issued photo identification ;and a second form of identification too.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 10:33 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Poll taxes usually mean some money involved .

    Hello again, tom:

    He wasn't addressing Pennsylvania specifically. Plus, as you mentioned it's not one of the southern states that require monitoring..

    But, as noted in my many posts, not ALL the states that require the new ID's are GIVING them away for free. Plus, they need to REPORT to get it, and that ain't free in ANYBODY'S book. Then if they don't have the required ID, they have to PAY to get one...

    That's a poll tax.

    excon
  • Jul 11, 2012, 10:37 AM
    Wondergirl
    ... and they have to GO somewhere to get the ID.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 10:46 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Carol:

    In Texas, a gun license is an accepted form of voter ID, but a STUDENT ID isn't.

    Since students are more likely to vote for Obama, and gun owners aren't, it looks like there's an attempt to suppress the student vote... Now, I COULD be wrong... But, I ain't.

    There doesn't even seem to be a pretext here either. It's BLATANT. The only ones who can't see it, are our resident right wingers.

    excon
  • Jul 11, 2012, 10:48 AM
    Wondergirl
    Dear excon:

    Just out of curiosity, why would a student photo ID be unacceptable? I missed out on the explanation for that.

    Carol
  • Jul 11, 2012, 10:51 AM
    tomder55
    Please tell me which state doesn't have them for free . Texas has a free id provision ,so does Georgia .Not sure about Florida ,but if you don't have a photo id ;you are given a ballot that is valid if your signature matches your voter registration card (same provisions as New York) .
    I keep looking for all this voter suppression and I don't see it .
  • Jul 11, 2012, 10:52 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Dear excon:

    Just out of curiosity, why would a student photo ID be unacceptable? I missed out on the explanation for that.

    Carol

    Does a student ID give your permanent address ? If I'm registered in NY why should I expect to be allowed to vote in Texas ?
  • Jul 11, 2012, 10:54 AM
    Wondergirl
    I can vote only at my own polling place and nowhere else. If I'm visiting my mother in western NY in November and want to vote, I'm out of luck.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 10:57 AM
    Wondergirl
    Just looked at my student ID card from grad school -- shows photo, name, signature, DOB, SS#, school name/address, degree being worked on, and my school ID#.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 11:08 AM
    speechlesstx
    First it's a "poll tax" and Thinkprogress says "Romney Supports Voter ID Laws That Could Disenfranchise 25% Of African-Americans".

    No hyperbole there, eh?

    The student IDs I've seen here are just a photo that says you're a student at that school. I could be from anywhere.
  • Jul 11, 2012, 11:32 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    The student IDs I've seen here are just a photo that says you're a student at that school. I could be from anywhere.

    High school? College? Maybe you need to get out more?
  • Jul 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    High school? College? Maybe you need to get out more?

    Maybe you should cease the condescension?
  • Jul 14, 2012, 07:34 AM
    speechlesstx
    Dogs, dead people get election docs from nonprofit

    Quote:

    The voter registration form arrived in the mail last month with some key information already filled in: Rosie Charlston's name was complete, as was her Seattle address.

    Problem is, Rosie was a black lab who died in 1998.

    A group called the Voter Participation Center has touted the distribution of some 5 million registration forms in recent weeks, targeting Democratic-leaning voting blocs such as unmarried women, blacks, Latinos and young adults.

    But residents and election administrators across the country also have reported a series of bizarre and questionable mailings addressed to animals, dead people, noncitizens and people already registered to vote.

    Brenda Charlston wasn't the only person to get documents for her pet: A Virginia man said similar documents arrived for his dead dog, Mozart, while a woman in the state received forms for her cat, Scampers.

    "On a serious note," Charlston said, "I think it's tampering with our voting system. They're fishing for votes: That's how I view it."
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABP...2018684148.jpg

    No, we don't need no stinkni' ID to vote, any ol' dog, cat, dead guy or non-citizen should have their say. Twice even.
  • Jul 14, 2012, 07:45 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Maybe you should cease the condescension?

    No condescension. Sorry you read it like that. I dug out my college (undergrad) ID -- college name and address, date of issue. Photo, sig, birthdate, college ID#, and that was in the mid '60s. A student ID with photo and sig is not good enough to prove that 's the person who wants to vote? Why not?
  • Jul 14, 2012, 09:54 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Problem is, Rosie was a black lab who died in 1998.

    A group called the Voter Participation Center has touted the distribution of some 5 million registration forms in recent weeks, targeting Democratic-leaning voting blocs such as unmarried women, blacks, Latinos and young adults.
    Maybe they thought Rosie the black lab was black.
  • Jul 14, 2012, 12:53 PM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Nobody said that aren't obscure cased of voter fraud... However, given the tradeoff of disenfranchising MILLIONS of eligible voters, to eliminate SEVERAL cases of voter fraud, I'll take the most REASONABLE position... If you couldn't guess, that's NOT your position.

    Since it's UNREASONABLE to suggest that MILLIONS of people give up their right to vote for NONSENSICAL reasons, I suggest the REAL reason is voter suppression.

    excon
  • Jul 15, 2012, 05:55 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Nobody said that aren't obscure cased of voter fraud... However, given the tradeoff of disenfranchising MILLIONS of eligible voters, to eliminate SEVERAL cases of voter fraud, I'll take the most REASONABLE position... If you couldn't guess, that's NOT your position.

    Since it's UNREASONABLE to suggest that MILLIONS of people give up their right to vote for NONSENSICAL reasons, I suggest the REAL reason is voter suppression.

    excon

    Targeting dead people and dogs is obscured? The more I show fraud and attempts at it the more you dig your heels in. Bull you know what.

    Again, if Rosie gets to vote I am the one disenfranchised - not that poor black lady that had to get a free ID.
  • Jul 15, 2012, 06:00 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    No condescension. Sorry you read it like that. I dug out my college (undergrad) ID -- college name and address, date of issue. photo, sig, birthdate, college ID#, and that was in the mid '60s. A student ID with photo and sig is not good enough to prove that 's the person who wants to vote? Why not?

    This ain't the '60s. A college ID around here is a name, a pic and a bar code. The student could be from anywhere - Oklahoma, Illinois, Italy or Finland. It proves nothing in the way of citizenship.
  • Jul 15, 2012, 06:09 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    The more I show fraud and attempts at it the more you dig your heels in. Bull you know what.

    Hello again, Steve:

    Quote:

    During the Bush administration, a rhetorical tool became public policy. The Republicans could not get a photo ID law through the Senate, but they were able to enlist the 93 United States attorneys in their crusade against voter fraud. In 2002, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft announced an initiative that required “all components of the [Justice] Department” to “place a high priority on the investigation and prosecution of election fraud.”

    Five years later, Ashcroft’s initiative hasn’t produced all that much in the way of convictions, at least relative to the overall Department of Justice caseload. Prosecutions for electoral fraud remain a minuscule part of the federal criminal docket. In 2002 alone, there were 80,424 criminal cases concluded nationwide in the 94 U.S. District Courts. By comparison, according to a DOJ document, between the fall of 2002 and the fall of 2005, there were only 95 defendants charged with federal election-fraud-related crimes in the whole country.
    NOBODY wants somebody to vote who isn't qualified to vote. But, to disenfranchise MILLIONS of eligible voters to stop, what amounts to MINIMAL crime, is OVERKILL. There's SOMETHING else going on, it's voter suppression. I don't know WHY you can't see it... Actually, I think you can, but you KNOW that Romney CAN'T win unless you guys do this. So, it's all done with a wink and a nod - I mean who wants illegal people to vote??

    Excon
  • Jul 15, 2012, 06:19 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    This ain't the '60s. A college ID around here is a name, a pic and a bar code. The student could be from anywhere - Oklahoma, Illinois, Italy or Finland. It proves nothing in the way of citizenship.

    I was comparing my college ID card from back when to my more recent college ID card I had mentioned in an earlier post in this thread. That shows college ID cards haven't changed in over 40 years. The student's sig isn't on the ID card you are referring to? It should be or it's a pretty lame ID process that particular college is using. A college ID card is used for some pretty major transactions, not all of which are on campus. The important thing on college ID cards is the student's signature.
  • Jul 15, 2012, 03:10 PM
    paraclete
    What I see here is that someone has found a class of voter who might have more sense than the general electorate

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