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  • Mar 11, 2012, 05:49 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I justify NOTHING Clete, but should I paste the quotes from you justifying your own acceptance of institutional racism?

    I don't accept institutionalised racism Tal in fact I don't accept racism of any kind but I do note that certain groups are more disposed to certain behaviours than others. To me institutionalised racism would be like what happened here in the days of the stolen generation or aparteid in South Africa or the american south. Hopefully we are past those times, we are a little more enlightened, but the reality is that in this world not all men are equal, they are not of equal ability and they don't have equal opportunity and sometimes positive descrimination is necessary to break the generational bondage. I think that is equally true in your nation and mine. Question is; are you willing to bite the bullet or are you going to hide behind this all men are equal so I don't need to do anything?

    But I ask you how has discrimination worked out for your nation? Has affirmative action freed your black population from poverty? You want to talk institutionalised racism, take a look closer to home.
  • Mar 11, 2012, 06:14 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    has affirmative action freed your black population from poverty? You want to talk institutionalised racism, take a look closer to home.
    it's all in good intentions so the lib conscious is clear.
  • Mar 11, 2012, 06:52 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I don't accept institutionalised racism Tal in fact I don't accept racism of any kind but I do note that certain groups are more disposed to certain behaviours than others.

    Hello again, clete:

    That's like saying I DON'T steal.. I only shoplift.. What makes it especially insidious, is that you have NO idea that what you said is RACIST... THAT'S the problem...

    Look... Let me try again... Let's use another word.. Let's use prejudice... Prejudice MEANS to pre-judge. Let's insert that word in your statement and see what we come up with...

    "I don't accept prejudice of any kind, but I do note (prejudge) that certain groups, are more disposed to certain behaviors..."

    YOU are the poster boy for racism. That's why I latched on to your statement so gladly.. You ADMIT it, and you don't even know it. Now, I didn't do this to put you down. Only to use you to MAKE my point...

    Racism is a main DOT.

    excon
  • Mar 11, 2012, 07:07 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, clete:

    That's like saying I DON'T steal.. I only shoplift.. What makes it especially insidious, is that you have NO idea that what you said is RACIST... THAT'S the problem...

    Look... Lemme try again... Let's use another word.. Let's use prejudice... Prejudice MEANS to pre-judge. Let's insert that word in your statement and see what we come up with...

    "I don't accept prejudice of any kind, but I do note (prejudge) that certain groups, are more disposed to certain behaviors..."

    YOU are the poster boy for racism. That's why I latched on to your statement so gladly.. You ADMIT it, and you don't even know it. Now, I didn't do this to put you down. Only to use you to MAKE my point...

    Racism is a main DOT.

    excon

    Hello ex you really should learn to read, not see what you want to see. I said groups, not races. Those groups might be religious groups, they might be nationalities or ethnic groups and sadly there might be racial overtones in their behaviour, saying that I observe something is not an indication of prejudice but that I have eyes and use them, This means I don't pre-judge but observe. I don't like the behaviour of people from many places, including your own nation and it has many groups and there is enough bad behaviour to lump you all together and suggest there is something of a national ethos behind it. This bad behaviour is a learned response. Now make something racist out of that but while you are at it explain this racist act to me
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-1...8?WT.svl=news0
  • Mar 11, 2012, 07:10 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    it's all in good intentions so the lib conscious is clear.

    Yes Tom often it works out that way because attitudes, yes, there is that word again, are entrenched
  • Mar 11, 2012, 07:33 PM
    TUT317
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Tut ,your definition of separate but equal does not work for me.Historically in this country it meant that a White could do something legally that a Black couldn't do....eat in certain establishments ,use certain public facilities ,ride in the front of the bus etc.

    In this case ;the sentencing for crack was the same for all races and the different sentencing for coke applied to all races .


    Hi Tom,


    Your historical definition of 'separate but equal' is accurate. Your comment about crack and coke applying equally to all races is also accurate. However, the problem is that while all of this is true it is worth keeping I'm mind that many poor Africian Americians have tended to consider a particular form of the drug cocaine a preferred choice.

    This doesn't mean that other poor ethnic groups don't consider this a preferred choice. No doubt they do. It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. Rather it is socio-economic choice. It just so happens that Africian Americians are the largest group occuping this platform. Hence they are the most representative when it comes to incarceration for this type of crime.

    As I said, I haven't read Alexander's book, but I would be surprised if she hasn't raise this issue. I would also be surprised if she didn't argue along the lines of 'separate but equal'.

    If she is talking along those lines I would imagine she is not presenting an argument for a deliberate policy of separate but equal. This would obviously be an absurd position to take. Rather, it would be along the lines of an UNINTENDED consequence of the cocaine laws. In other words, unintended consequences of drug legislation has given rise to a facsimile of the Jim Crow Laws. However, it is important to note that THIS ONLY APPLIES to the area of jurisprudence.

    No doubt Alexander would want to talk extensively about other areas in her book. As I said, I can't comment on this because I have not read the book. My observations are based on what I have read here.

    Tut
  • Mar 11, 2012, 10:44 PM
    paraclete
    Separate but equal is the real racist act, the aparteid response, but americans don't like to think that they once practiced aparteid in a manner just as repressive as the South Africans. They see racism as something like the nazi practiced where separate and not-equal was the rule and cannot believe that their system was extreme, with attitudes that masked a very nasty physical outcome where some were never equal.

    So the consequence of the drug war might fall on the disadvantaged but remember it is only because of the level of offense in that community because they are neither separate or equal
  • Mar 12, 2012, 05:55 AM
    talaniman
    And targeted, as they have nowhere to hide, while the powder crowd just goes back to suburban gated communities, or the quiet subdivisions where the cops don't go.

    What makes the racism so bad, and pervasive is the implementation of policy through the law that not only looks legitimate, but has the guise of social justice, law and order to promote it. Like the "job creator" excuse to keep taxes low for the richest, and extract resources from those that need it. Like allocating more prison space, while defunding alternative measures to get people not only on a positive track in society, but keep them in the incarceration cycle.

    And lets face it Clete, your observations are very prejudiced, and not as casual, or accurate as you may think them to be as case in point your assignment of negative behavior, or attitude to those you do not understand, or dislike. You would fit quite well with the knee jerk obstruction crowd who get there ego rush by deriding others, and lifting yourself while failing to acknowledge but for the grace of birth go I.

    So of course you see no reason to open your own mind and see that in truth, you are as subjugated as the ones you disparage, yet don't know it. You seem to take Toms position of its not your fault that the system works for you and not them.

    So I submit to you both that maybe that's why you hate the players, and NOT the game, because it puts you above the ones who lose in it. And the bleeding heart liberals who want the game to end, and the right things done.
  • Mar 12, 2012, 06:05 AM
    excon
    Hello tal:

    **BIG, HUGE GREENIE**

    excon
  • Mar 12, 2012, 06:20 AM
    tomder55
    Speaker Tip O'Neill came back from Boston full of stories about how the Len Bias story was all the talk of Beantown. His 1st act was to call the Democrat caucus together and tell them that his top priority was to advance legislation that would get tough on designer drugs like crack.
    That legislation became the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986
    Sorry ,this whole issue was caused by the Dems trying to outflank the Repubs on the law and order issue. It was and is not racism .It is unintended consequences of legislation that was passed with the best information available at the time.
    Makes a compelling case for all legislation having an expiration date.
  • Mar 12, 2012, 06:33 AM
    talaniman
    Thanks ex! I volunteer for many causes, foundations, churches, and schools, and yeah, I am a bleeding hearted liberal, progressive, and proud of it. Its easy to bash a guy when he's down, but doing the right thing takes work.

    My observation is when you show a guy the right thing, he follows it. While ignorance of the law is no excuse for bad behavior, the law has to be fair in the first place. That's the whole dilemma. It is intentionally NOT fair. Nor are the ones who defend that unfairness.

    That's my observation, just saying.
  • Mar 12, 2012, 06:37 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Speaker Tip O'Neill came back from Boston full of stories about how the Len Bias story was all the talk of Beantown. His 1st act was to call the Democrat caucus together and tell them that his top priority was to advance legislation that would get tough on designer drugs like crack.
    That legislation became the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986
    Sorry ,this whole issue was caused by the Dems trying to outflank the Repubs on the law and order issue. It was and is not racism .It is unintended consequences of legislation that was passed with the best information available at the time.
    Makes a compelling case for all legislation having an expiration date.

    Maybe some adjustments, and tweaking when needed. Like the Constitution, interpretation is in the eye of the beholder. Things change with time, and you have to account for those changes.
  • Mar 12, 2012, 02:17 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post

    You seem to take Toms position of its not your fault that the system works for you and not them.
    .


    Tal if the system works for me it is because I engage in it, I was born into just as lowly a position as any, like many I dropped out of high school, and any thing I have gained is because I worked to attain it. I didn't take the view that system couldn't work for me and therefore I should seek solance in drugs and lazying about, and drifting into activities that bring the law down on me.

    I see in your statement the very attitude that I have been talking about, the idea that it is the fault of the system that it doesn't work for all, the idea that somehow the world owes you something and that even because you are a minority or disadvantaged you should have special treatment.
  • Mar 12, 2012, 05:37 PM
    talaniman
    The system owes no one anything but the opportunity, and racist laws and the application of policy takes away the opportunity, and replaces it with obstacles. Why else would the law maker defund help for a guy with a joint, and take away permanently his rights, and incarcerates him for years?

    Your argument that only the strong survives may boost your ego, but does nothing for those that don't, or cannot, for whatever reason. You may be a poster child why some can accomplish, but you imperiously close your eyes to those who cannot or have not!

    That's the difference between us Clete, I never forget where I come from, and you seek to erase your humble beginnings, and are no longer humble, but closed minded, and judgmental. You fail to acknowledge your roots, or understand how lucky you are to have succeeded. That's why you look down your nose at others beneath you, and would fit in great with the racist, and the prejudiced here who justify there hate, and fears, and actions, by simply saying some that are not as lucky, don't deserve help, or OPPORTUNITY.

    I love you, but you are a hard core right wing conservative!
  • Mar 12, 2012, 07:19 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The system owes no one anything but the opportunity, and racist laws and the application of policy takes away the opportunity, and replaces it with obstacles. Why else would the law maker defund help for a guy with a joint, and take away permanently his rights, and incarcerates him for years?

    Your argument that only the strong survives may boost your ego, but does nothing for those that don't, or cannot, for whatever reason. You may be a poster child why some can accomplish, but you imperiously close your eyes to those who cannot or have not!

    Thats the difference between us Clete, I never forget where I come from, and you seek to erase your humble beginnings, and are no longer humble, but closed minded, and judgmental. You fail to acknowledge your roots, or understand how lucky you are to have succeeded. Thats why you look down your nose at others beneath you, and would fit in great with the racist, and the prejudiced here who justify there hate, and fears, and actions, by simply saying some that are not as lucky, don't deserve help, or OPPORTUNITY.

    I love you, but you are a hard core right wing conservative!

    Tal I have never erased where I come from or turned a blind eye to need but with everything goes the need to, as we say, have a go, you haven't failed until you have tried. Obviously people need opportunity and the role of government is to see that opportunities exist and right wing people who think that the system will provide everything are wrong. By opportunities I don't mean the opportunity to exploit welfare or engage in illegal activity as some here might suggest is OK because after all these people are disadvantaged, but to encourgave and fund, if necessary, development and to change those parts of the system that are not working.

    As to why your lawmakers would make the situation worse by removing support in certain situations I don't know, we have the same mentality at work here. I expect it is because the wrong people are employed in decision making or they are just making the budget balance
  • Mar 13, 2012, 05:18 AM
    talaniman
    You mean our systems since you see the same thing there. But I agree the structures of government are flawed, and influenced by greed, money, and need, and FEAR, but no one here has said its okay to exploit the safety net systems, its just some recognize the reasons they do.

    I blame the system, not the players, unlike those who don't care to see facts beyond their nose. Clearly the game is rigged to keep power, and money in certain hands, and out of others. They keep that power, AND money by stoking fears of divisiveness.

    They know the divide, and conquest of the masses is their gain.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 06:25 AM
    speechlesstx
    Jesus people, you cannot prove the law is racist by statistics. But I understand, you libs think the tail wags the dog.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 06:36 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Jesus people, you cannot prove the law is racist by statistics

    Hello again, Steve:

    That's the way it WILL be proven when enlightened individuals take over.

    As a layman, however, having a larger percentage of dark skinned people in prison, than are represented in the general population, is the most GLARING statistic of them all.

    And, you go, "so what?".

    Ain't nothing you can do with people like that.

    excon
  • Mar 13, 2012, 06:50 AM
    speechlesstx
    No sir, I never said "so what" and you know I'm OK with legalizing pot and easing up on this non-violent prison population explosion. The difference is I don't inject racism into every perceived injustice because I'm not a racist like so many liberals.

    I believe there are bigger issues in the black community to address but we can't because you guys think we're the problem when it's the left that is keeping them on the plantation.

    And you go "so what"?
  • Mar 13, 2012, 07:32 AM
    talaniman
    Its neither left or right, but policy. Ending government created ghettos, is a start, I mean what would you expect from lumping poor people into one area gets you? Gangs, drugs, crime.

    Then put them all in one school, and don't fund it properly? Asking for trouble! Poor blacks have the same problem Speech, as poor blacks, and as long as you see it as a black problem, you miss the point.

    My point is how is making more poor people even poorer helping anything? How is making more poor people period, helping any one?
  • Mar 13, 2012, 07:51 AM
    speechlesstx
    Tal, ex made it about being a "dark skinned" problem, not me. But the fact is Democrats work overtime to inject racism into every issue and keep blacks on the plantation so ask them why they want to keep them dependent on the government.

    And while you're at it, after all these years after desegregation ask why blacks keep self-segregating? I'm not creating white dorms, white fraternities, white congressional caucuses, whites for Whitey for president or a white neighborhood association in my Hispanic neighborhood.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 08:16 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    And while you're at it, after all these years after desegregation ask why blacks keep self-segregating?

    Hello again, Steve:

    While you're at it, ask yourself if blacks were self-segregating by CHOICE, would they be doing it in THAT neighborhood.

    excon
  • Mar 13, 2012, 08:21 AM
    speechlesstx
    I see no reason why they would be afraid to. I grew up with blacks over here, too. I'm the minority, remember?
  • Mar 13, 2012, 08:28 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I see no reason why they would be afraid to. I grew up with blacks over here, too. I'm the minority, remember?

    Hello again, Steve:

    I didn't say "afraid". You did. YOU even get that it AIN'T the greatest neighborhood. What I ASKED was, if they were CHOOSING to self-segregate, as YOU suggest, would they do it in THAT neighborhood.

    Pretend you don't understand all you like, but the obvious answer to my question is, they WOULDN'T!

    excon
  • Mar 13, 2012, 08:32 AM
    talaniman
    Come on Speech, stop making this personal, and see a bigger picture, as it's the inability to see beyond your own neighborhood that prevents you from knowing what poor people really want, and only see what's good for them.

    That's the whole problem, you divide and dictate, but are not open to new ideas. Then you feel like they are ungrateful for what you are trying to give them. Maybe you are comfortable with interacting with other cultures and mindsets, but many are NOT, and it's that fear that drives policy, with adverse affects to whom the policy is aimed at.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 09:07 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    I didn't say "afraid". You did. YOU even get that it AIN'T the greatest neighborhood. What I ASKED was, if they were CHOOSING to self-segregate, as YOU suggest, would they do it in THAT neighborhood.

    Pretend you don't understand all you like, but the obvious answer to my question is, they WOULDN'T!

    excon

    You don't know that, my point is they are welcome here which you obviously missed.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 09:08 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Come on Speech, stop making this personal, and see a bigger picture, as its the inability to see beyond your own neighborhood that prevents you from knowing what poor people really want, and only see whats good for them.

    Thats the whole problem, you divide and dictate, but are not open to new ideas. Then you feel like they are ungrateful for what you are trying to give them. Maybe you are comfortable with interacting with other cultures and mindsets, but many are NOT, and its that fear that drives policy, with adverse affects to whom the policy is aimed at.

    No sir, the whole problem is you lefties think you have all the answers and we're idiots.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 09:36 AM
    talaniman
    Not idiots, well not all of you, just the ones who talk, but don't budge even in the face of facts and the common good. Be one thing to have an opinion, but who listens to someone's opinion, yet disregards all that doesn't line up with yours?

    My way, or the highway is the course of idiots, and the true downfall of this nation. Now stubborn is okay, but only accepting one way is NOT.

    Meet me in the middle, and I can hardly call, or think you an idiot because we are working together. Its fruitless to think you can pull the other two thirds of the country to your way of thinking, and if you are unwilling to budge then we have NO consensus, NO agreement, and NO path forward to resolve the issues to the benefit of all.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 09:55 AM
    speechlesstx
    You aren't budging on the undeniable facts concerning church ministries. And by the way, a Pew survey reveals liberals are the "my way or the highway" group online.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 10:03 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    You don't know that,

    Hello again, Steve:

    Yes I do. And you do too, but you're wearing your right wing blinders...

    Let's see.. We were talking about people of the same race self-segregating themselves by CHOICE.

    In the major city's I'm familiar with, you could only CHOOSE a few places to do that in. That would be, a middle class neighborhood, a gated community uptown, or the hood where the projects and crappy schools are..

    So, you'd have me believe they'd CHOOSE the projects?? Dude. Look around.

    excon
  • Mar 13, 2012, 10:04 AM
    tomder55
    Clearly this is an economic issue then and not a racial one.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 10:31 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    You aren't budging on the undeniable facts concerning church ministries. And by the way, a Pew survey reveals liberals are the "my way or the highway" group online.

    Well clearly the liberals here don't fit into that category because we meet you conservatives for coffee, lunch, dinner, and snacks almost everyday, LOL.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    clearly this is an economic issue then and not a racial one.

    Clearly, but race divides and that's the goal. Now who benefits from a divided society?
  • Mar 13, 2012, 10:38 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Clearly, but race divides and thats the goal. Now who benefits from a divided society?

    Democrats.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 10:44 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    clearly this is an economic issue then and not a racial one.

    Hello tom:

    It is. But, what's INTERESTING from a socioeconomic perspective, is Steve's belief that they CHOOSE that life because that's where their bro's are.

    Look. That belief, like cletes belief is RACIST to its core. Is it DELIBERATE racism?? No. Steve is my friend, and I don't believe he has a mean bone in his body. I don't know about clete.. And, I don't know about you, tom. You've been pretty silent on the issue in terms of YOUR belief.

    So, I don't know what to call it, other than BACK DOOR racism. It doesn't overtly show. It's hidden just below the exterior. I don't expect you to AGREE that these statements ARE racist. But, they are. IT'S the racism this thread is based on, and I suspect MOST drug warriors share those same beliefs.

    excon
  • Mar 13, 2012, 11:06 AM
    speechlesstx
    It was just early when I answered that question. But it is not a socioeconomic issue for blacks to self-congregate in a college dorm, dining hall or Martha's Vineyard, because that's where their bro's are.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 11:17 AM
    tomder55
    I've made more than 2 dozen responses to this thread. My position is clear .The idea that the drug war is racist is a ginned up reason for the goal of legalization. I have also made it clear in this and other thread that I think sentencing guidelines need to be reformed.
    I don't have to submit a biography to justify my position if that's what you are looking for . I wouldn't be believed anyway.

    And I also made a comment about self segregation. I forget which one it was ,but if you look you'll find it. The poor from any racial group do not have the same housing choices as the more affluent .
    However it is an irrelevant point . That has nothing to do about deciding to break the law.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 03:37 PM
    paraclete
    Tom on the subject of self segregation and housing choices, we all have the same basic choice, we can live in a house or we can live in the street and we both know that how much money we have determines where we live, or you might think so. However some people would rather live in enclaves, manly ethic, than move out. No one forces them to live there, it's an option they exercise.

    You are right it has nothing to do with breaking the law or rocking your neighbours roof, as I have said before here it is about attitude and the rule of the mob, and Ex, that is racist to its core, so before you declare me racist get all those other racists to clean up their act.

    Drug Laws are not racist at their core, no one sat down and said this how we will subject those people we don't like, we will outlaw drugs. No ex they said this is a problem which is causing social degeneration, violence, etc and we don't need this, our children need protection from this. What I suggest Buddy is if you want to use dope you go somewhere where it is legal. You can go to Columbia and suck on a coca leaf, you go to Afghanistan and you can cultivate your own poppies
  • Mar 13, 2012, 04:56 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Democrats.

    How about greedy people who have their own agenda. MONEY!! And lots of it. Dems, repubs, and all the money that pays them.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello tom:
    So, I don't know what to call it, other than BACK DOOR racism. It doesn't overtly show. It's hidden just below the exterior. I don't expect you to AGREE that these statements ARE racist. But, they are. IT'S the racism this thread is based on, and I suspect MOST drug warriors share those same beliefs.
    Excon

    Its called Hidden Racism, so a minority gets screwed for their own good.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    It was just early when I answered that question. But it is not a socioeconomic issue for blacks to self-congregate in a college dorm, dining hall or Martha's Vineyard, because that's where their bro's are.

    Congregate socially is a lot different from living conditions.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The poor from any racial group do not have the same housing choices as the more affluent .
    However it is an irrelevant point . That has nothing to do about deciding to break the law.

    You almost got it on the head, then you screwed it up with that irrelevant nonsense.

    Quote:

    QUOTE by paraclete;
    Tom on the subject of self segregation and housing choices, we all have the same basic choice, we can live in a house or we can live in the street and we both know that how much money we have determines where we live, or you might think so. However some people would rather live in enclaves, manly ethic, than move out. No one forces them to live there, it's an option they exercise.
    Without a job, there is no option, with a minimum wage job, there is no options. Are you really going to believe that a guygirl who can afford to move doesn't??

    Quote:

    You are right it has nothing to do with breaking the law or rocking your neighbors roof, as I have said before here it is about attitude and the rule of the mob, and Ex, that is racist to its core, so before you declare me racist get all those other racists to clean up their act.
    That's mob mentality, Racist mob mentality.

    Quote:

    Drug Laws are not racist at their core, no one sat down and said this how we will subject those people we don't like, we will outlaw drugs. No ex they
    Said this is a problem which is causing social degeneration, violence, etc and we don't need this, our children need protection from this.
    They did sit down and figure out how to make money on them. Make a law and pour money and resources to get people with no resource to escape, and making the building of new prisons a big industry, with a steady stream of "customers".

    What do you righties do? Talk among yourselves and tell yourselves that its justified to keep minorities in there place by whipping them with laws while limiting there options?

    Or are you afraid that minorities outnumber you they will take what you worked so hard for, and change things from the way you like them?

    Or like the state of Texas, you just redraw the district to deny equal representation for growing communities?

    Or make laws for voting, based on fear, and NOT facts?

    Or all the above! Dehumanize, minimize, and make up all kinds of excuses to discriminate, while justifying it all with good intentions.

    Those are the tools of divisiveness and separation, that the racist sells to the unwary. Its about the money, make NO mistake. The few that divide, the many.
  • Mar 13, 2012, 05:43 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    How about greedy people who have their own agenda. MONEY!!! And lots of it. Dems, repubs, and all the money that pays them.
    Its called Hidden Racism, so a minority gets screwed for their own good.
    Congregate socially is a lot different from living conditions.
    You almost got it on the head, then you screwed it up with that irrelevant nonsense.
    Without a job, there is no option, with a minimum wage job, there is no options. Are you really going to believe that a guygirl who can afford to move doesn't???
    Thats mob mentality, Racist mob mentality.
    They did sit down and figure out how to make money on them. Make a law and pour money and resources to get people with no resource to escape, and making the building of new prisons a big industry, with a steady stream of "customers".
    What do you righties do? Talk among yourselves and tell yourselves that its justified to keep minorities in there place by whipping them with laws while limiting there options?
    Or are you afraid that minorities outnumber you they will take what you worked so hard for, and change things from the way you like them?

    Or like the state of Texas, you just redraw the district to deny equal representation for growing communities?

    Or make laws for voting, based on fear, and NOT facts?
    Or all the above!! Dehumanize, minimize, and make up all kinds of excuses to discriminate, while justifying it all with good intentions.
    Those are the tools of divisiveness and separation, that the racist sells to the unwary. Its about the money, make NO mistake. The few that divide, the many.

    Tal I think it is really sad you live where you do. You are right I have no idea about these conditions because it doesn't happen here and that is because we are a fairer society. Doesn't mean we have solved all the social problems but poverty isn't an issue. Lack of money and lack of opportunity might be an issue but poverty isn't an issue and treading down the masses isn't an issue. It appears you have not known a truly free society where there is an ethos that cares about everyone
  • Mar 13, 2012, 06:25 PM
    talaniman
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    Doesn't mean we have solved all the social problems but poverty isn't an issue.
    No wonder your minorities have an attitude.

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