Yeah, they're voting on motions and have committees here, too... not to mention all kinds of goofy hand signals.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
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Yeah, they're voting on motions and have committees here, too... not to mention all kinds of goofy hand signals.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Lol direct democracy in action
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Clear example of what happens after doing too many drugs... I guess what that guy yammered on about only makes sense to stoners.Quote:
Originally Posted by ;
It gets better, apparently the occupiers have their own 1 percent...
A Chill Descends On Occupy Wall Street; "The Leaders of the allegedly Leaderless Movement"
You must read the whole thing...Quote:
On Sunday, October 23, a meeting was held at 60 Wall Street. Six leaders discussed what to do with the half-million dollars that had been donated to their organization, since, in their estimation, the organization was incapable of making sound financial decisions. The proposed solution was not to spend the money educating their co-workers or stimulating more active participation by improving the organization’s structures and tactics. Instead, those present discussed how they could commandeer the $500,000 for their new, more exclusive organization. No, this was not the meeting of any traditional influence on Wall Street. These were six of the leaders of Occupy Wall Street (OWS).
And wouldn't you know, the first occcupiers' candidate, Elizabeth Warren, is part of the 1 percent.
Her work for the 99% speaks for itself.
THey aren't 99% of anything... except the lazy bums and idiots...
I'm not one of their 1%, and I cerrtainly am not of their 99% thus their math is faulty.
I'm a member of the 53%.
Yeah whatever, I find it it sweetly ironic that the "99 percent" keep finding 1 percenters to carry their water... Michael Moore, Kanye West (sporting a $300 shirt, $1000 jeans and all kinds of gold bling), Elizabeth Warren, Susan Sarandon, Russell Brand, MC Hammer, Rosanne Barr and the most ironic as tom noted - the guy who does the Capital One ads - Alec Baldwin.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I thought you believed in the free market. It's true. It WOULD be better if I was the face of the movement... I can inspire... I know the issues.. I'm handsome.. But, Alec Baldwin is cool too..
Again, you're concentrating on the messenger instead of the message... Rich people can be pissed off. I'm rich. I'm pissed off. I march. I have a job. I just want the banksters, who RIPPED ME OFF, to go to jail... Even Reagan put the banksters in jail.
In fact, I'm pissed off at the SAME people the tea party is pissed off at. THEY, along with YOU got ripped off too.
excon
Sure, anyone can be pissed off, but if you're going to build a movement specifically targeting a group of people you've labeled the "1 percent", it looks pretty silly having representatives from your target.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Since the start, the right wing has mis-assessed who the people are, and what their target is. You should STOP listening to them, for they know not what they speak.
You should listen to ME, because I am one... But, you'd rather listen to the limp one. I don't know why.
excon
LOL, I don't listen to the "limp one." I used to but my local station got rid of the two guys I liked so I told them they sucked and I listen to the Eagle all day at work now - I could fit right in with the occupiers.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
P.S. Did you enjoy your short reign as number 1?
In defense of Baldwin (I can't believe I said that ) . He did make a statement to the OWS telling them we should not abandon capitalism... a random act of reason .
Obama is a 1%er He has over 10 Million dollars.
So is Al Gore, Bill Clinton... Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, George Soros and most of the Democrat party.
Who said all the one percent have to be greedy hoarders of money? Despite some saying to the contrary, most rich people don't care about taxes going up, because they still have enough to make more money with.
Seems to be those darn ultra conservatives that need to make more poor people, and shrink government so they can run things the way they want it. The whole point is to restore circulation to the financial system, and not let the wall street elites continue to poison the global economy.
What the righties have yet to figure out is the effect they have on real people, in the drive to make corporations the masters of governments and people across the globe. That's not capitalism, its domination, and has been the goal of the republican party for decades. That's the new world order, and ordinary republicans in this country are dismissing the fact that most people just ain't going for it.
Its real simple, instead of continuing to suck ALL the money out of the economy, with wall street gadgets, instead of privatizing and controlling all the social institutions that protects its citizens which is 99 percent of the world, not just America, so we to start putting more value on people, their conditions and needs,and restore circulation, so that the rest of us can have opportunities to lead decent productive lives, by getting wall streets hands from around our throats.
Congressional republicans need to see that they work for the 99%, not just the 1% who is hoarding the money. You righties are so fond of saying that half the country pays no taxes, a false hood in of itself, but ignore completely WHY half the country is in poverty, and sinking fast.
But I guess you see nothing wrong with a nation of dish washers, maids, and cotton pickers, who shuffle along and drink foul water, no doctors, breathe foul air, and are ruled by corporations with no responsibilities to clean up their own messes.
You do understand the benchmark of every Liberal argument isn't valid, thus their arguments aren't valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Creation of wealth is not a ZERO Sum gain... someone doesn't have to get poorer for someone else to get richer.
Good for him. I imagine he enjoys his capitalist profits from representing Capital One and doesn't want to endanger that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Conservative arguments are valid because they support complete slavery to corporations. They are only valid to you, because I reject their premise and misrepresentations of facts. Repeating lies doesn't make it true.Quote:
QUOTE by smoothy;
You do understand the benchmark of every Liberal argument isn't valid, thus their arguments aren't valid.
Yes it is, rich people create wealth for themselves, they pay you as less as possible to do so because they need your labor, and set the value of that labor. They tell YOU what you are worth to them to create wealth for themselves. That's slavery, as a slave cannot talk to master about compensation, safety, or benefits or his own value. That's what makes him a slave.Quote:
Creation of wealth is not a ZERO Sum gain... someone doesn't have to get poorer for someone else to get richer.
That's what they hate about unions, it gives the slave an effective voice for his own value.
Liberal arguments promote serfdom to the state.
Hello again,
This is all too complicated for me.. I hate everybody.
excon
No Tom, they promote serfdom FROM the state, and that's what its about, service to the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Originally Posted by talaniman
Really... then prove those claims... particularly the zero sum gain part of it. This ought to be interesting. Because you can't have economic growth in a zero sum environment... you start with X and you can never have more than X...
Plus point out which corporations have slaves... Slaves don't get paid... and aren't free to go anyplace else. It will be interesting to hear which places you are saying this happens at.
That doesn't even make sense, but nevertheless I don't want to be a part of any serfdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Nope, we're all free to seek employment elsewhere or start our own business.Quote:
That's slavery, as a slave cannot talk to master about compensation, safety, or benefits or his own value. That's what makes him a slave.
A) The Boeing workers in SC overwhelmingly voted out their union. They're doing fine - until the anti-job mornons in this administration cause them to lose their jobs. We have an Owens-Corning plant here that has voted down union representation consistently for its existence. The workers do great and it's a plant that's never mentioned when talk of downsizing comes up.Quote:
That's what they hate about unions, it gives the slave an effective voice for his own value.
B) Unions make union bosses 1 percenters. The occupiers should be pissed at the salaries bonuses passed out to union operatives.
Being of the Pong generation I have always been a gamer. It gave me great pleasure yesterday to complete my first mission in the just released Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 - securing the New York Stock Exchange located at 11 Wall Street.
Of course I was fighting Russians and not the "occupiers". If I were fighting the occupiers I wouldn't need the M4A1 or XM25, I could just invade with a battalion of homeless people.
Elected officials work for us, not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
That's how its supposed to work... I recommend the DNC inform his majesty of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And give Harry a call while they are at it.
There is no growth now to keep up with population. Except among the rich who circulate the money among themselves, and enjoy a collective trillion dollars in tax cuts.Quote:
QUOTE by smoothy;
Really... then prove those claims... particularly the zero sum gain part of it. This ought to be interesting. Because you can't have economic growth in a zero sum environment... you start with X and you can never have more than X...
Slavery is working at a wage that cannot afford you to buy the products you make.Quote:
Plus point out which corporations have slaves... Slaves don't get paid... and aren't free to go anyplace else. It will be interesting to hear which places you are saying this happens at.
Slavery is working 3 jobs to live on. Slavery is needing assistance for the basics. Slavery is being told your job was outsourced to a third world country with cheap labor and sweat shops. Slavery is thinking your job of 20 years is secure, until they down size or move the company. Slavery is no job, and a mortgage when you are 45 and two kids.
Slavery is being told what to do with your $7.65 an hour. Slavery is a rich guy telling you what you are worth.
Serfdom/slavery doesn't make sense, not supposed to, and they will never tell you that's what you are. They will instead call you a trusted employee, until they lay you off, to keep the bottom line sound. But my reference was to elected officials, ones that are supposed to serve at YOUR behest. They don't, they serve at the campaign donors behest.Quote:
QUOTE by speechlesstx;
That doesn't even make sense, but nevertheless I don't want to be a part of any serfdom.
Where does that seed money come from for a new business start up? Where are those jobs you can just seek elsewhere? Where are all these poor people coming from? The American ones? Saying you are free to do something is easy, try it, and let me know how that relocation thing works for you!Quote:
Nope, we're all free to seek employment elsewhere or start our own business.
Sure they do, for now. I live in Texas too, and this is a non union state, but there are unions, but quiet as its kept, other unions help you to, by keeping an industry standard for non union jobs, or else you would earn a lot less than you do know, especially if you are a skilled tradesman. Yeah that's right, YOUR boss would pay you less if he didn't have to compete with union wages, AND union safety standards. If he didn't he would be hiring a different worker every week. A cheaper worker.Quote:
A) The Boeing workers in SC overwhelmingly voted out their union. They're doing fine - until the anti-job mornons in this administration cause them to lose their jobs. We have an Owens-Corning plant here that has voted down union representation consistently for its existence. The workers do great and it's a plant that's never mentioned when talk of downsizing comes up.
As to the specific company you cite, OC is a big company, all over the country. They have laid off workers at other plants and it has nothing to due with unions, its lack of demands for its products. Nice try, but Amarillo laid off a bunch of folks a few years ago when the recession started.
Don't even go there, union bonuses vs. wall street bonuses, or corporate bonuses?? Which one would YOU take??Quote:
B) Unions make union bosses 1 percenters. The occupiers should be pissed at the salaries bonuses passed out to union operatives.
Call the RNC while you ar at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Your argument doesn't hold water. Because that's not how it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
In a zero sum environment, nobody could create a new service that never existed without another different service dissappearing... nobody could ever get a pay raise without another individual taking a pay cut.
Nobody is telling you what you are worth... they are saying I am willing to pay THIS amount to do THIS job.. If its not enough you can go to another employer... nobody MAKES you take that. And quite honestly... people that get $7.65 an hour get that, because a trained monkey can do the job... they have no real skill that has value. Otherwise they could get a beter job. Some of them are lucky they get paid that much.
You don't buy a house you can't afford to pay for... that mortgage is something YOU get into on your own free will. You can always RENT a place. And if you can't afford to raise kids... you don't have two of them.
Anyone that has ever earned a paycheck deals with that.
San Diego occupiers attack some of the 1%ers
SoCal Street Cart Vendors Hurting After 'Occupy' Group Splatters Blood, Urine CBS Los AngelesQuote:
The coffee and hot dog carts were located in Civic Center Plaza, the same location as the Occupy San Diego protesters.
That group first settled in to the plaza Oct. 7 and set up a tent city which has since twice been taken down by police.
Coffee cart owner Linda Jenson and hot dog cart operators Letty and Pete Soto said they initially provided free food and drink to demonstrators, but when they stopped, the protesters became violent.
And according to one city councilman, bodily fluids were used in the attacks.
“Both carts have had items stolen, have had their covers vandalized with markings and graffiti, as well as one of the carts had urine and blood splattered on it,” said Councilman Carl DeMaio.
The damages will likely require at least a complete cleaning if not a replacement of the cart covers, DeMaio said.
The lovely, peaceful and tolerant occupiers are also said to have hurled death threats at the food vendors.
Yes... more wonderful examples of liberals in action... showing their true colors.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Tell that to the people whose job was out sourcedQuote:
QUOTE by smoothy;
Your argument doesn't hold water. Because that's not how it works.
In a zero sum environment, nobody could create a new service that never existed without another different service dissappearing... nobody could ever get a pay raise without another individual taking a pay cut.
You can pay a monkey bananas, but if YOUR job gets outsourced or cut, or the business climate goes down as in like NOW, YOU will take less, OR lose your job, OR go get another one somplace else, I wish you better luck than the 14 million who are there already, and losing there A$$es, in the meantime. Like the boss says, be grateful you have a job, and its telling that you think EVERYBODY who doesn't have one its their fault, "but for the grace of God..........."! But then you probably are a big fan of Herman Cain. You guys talk the same way.Quote:
Nobody is telling you what you are worth... they are saying I am willing to pay THIS amount to do THIS job.. If its not enough you can go to another employer... nobody MAKES you take that. And quite honestly... people that get $7.65 an hour get that, because a trained monkey can do the job... they have no real skill that has value. Otherwise they could get a beter job. Some of them are lucky they get paid that much.
What if you have had a mortgae and a couple of kids for 15 years, BEFORE they laid you off, and moved the whole operation over seas???Quote:
You don't buy a house you can't afford to pay for... that mortgage is something YOU get into on your own free will. You can always RENT a place. And if you can't afford to raise kids... you don't have two of them.
I heard your complaints, you like ex, hate everybody. And there are million who are dealing with it.Quote:
Anyone that has ever earned a paycheck deals with that.
That outsourcing started hard and heavy under Bill Clinton... I know because it took up a big chunk of my day at work for a good while.
No job is worth more than the person who is willing to do it for the least amount.
You don't buy a house you can barely afford ASSUMING its going to increase in value faster than your paycheck does... or if it requires TWO incomes to qualify for it.
I followed that rule... I could have gotten a much bigger house than I did... I still could. But I like not being overextended on my finances. I don't have $40K in credit card debt either. Because I live within my means including setting money aside for retirement and a rainy day fund.
I've been laid off before... thats how I learned you have to be proactive in your life... and expect that sort of thing to happen. Unlike a lot of people... I don't waste a lot of money on expensive new cars or expensive clothes hoping to impress others.
That means I've prepared for the worst when it happens next time...
I could actually survive on less than 1/3 my current income if need be. That would be below the poverty level.
Its not about hating everybody... just hating those that put themselves in a situation, then expect everyone who was smart enough not to be to bail them out.
You are luckier than most, count your blessings.
Its not luck... it was a hard earned lesson from my 20's that got me into that mindset. And to never allow myself to get into that position again. Because I did make those mistakes in my early 20's.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I learned that lesson because I worked myself out of it (I got myself into it, I was going to get myself out of it)... I wasn't handed a bailout, and I didn't walk away from my responsibilities.
Good for you. To bad the rest of us humans aren't as smart, hardworking, frugal, or gifted with uncommon good sense.
Yes I am being sarcastic, because as tough as you talk, you are probably the biggest softie around. You don't fool me at all brudder.
Just so you know!!
*group hug for smoothy*
We've been in our small one-bath, two-bedroom (10x10 each) starter home since 1972. No cc debt. College bills for us and one kid paid off. Five cats who want for nothing. Retired now, but no cruises or European vacations on the horizon.
Group hug for me now.
Ill just drop this here.. nuff said.
A Day in the Life of an Occupy Wall St. Participant - YouTube
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