You expected her to offer praise? You asked who created the uncertainty and I answered - those who claim ownership of the economy, Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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You expected her to offer praise? You asked who created the uncertainty and I answered - those who claim ownership of the economy, Democrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
We are a year past Obama's "recovery summer" and the DNC chair claimed ownership of the economy. I'm just giving credit where credit was taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
Not having a job, is uncertainty
Not knowing if you can stay in your house, is uncertainty
Not knowing if you can see a doctor, is uncertainty.
Not knowing if you will lose what little you have, is uncertainty.
Having a few trillion under your a$$, AIN'T uncertainty, its hoarding. A luxury that few have. Who owns the economy? Ask the few who stand in the way of progress. Ask the few who sit on wealth, and don't circulate it. Ask the few who cannot compromise or give a darn thing to live up to what's expected of those that have.
Ask the few, who do nothing but blame everyone, and everything else, for what they are unwilling to do. Create jobs. When you have a few trillion, thats NOT uncertainty.that's LEVERAGE!
My question was rhetorical.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Look Tal, you can demonize big business all you want, I have my own beefs with them at times, too. BUT, big business didn't get big by being stupid. Bottom line is they have the same goals as small business, to make money and grow. Their primary responsibility is to make money for their investors, not save the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
If you find that cruel that's your problem but business - large or small - typically doesn't do anything that isn't aimed at that primary responsibility. Even this trend of businesses going "green" is about making money. It's good PR, plain and simple.
Example, we sell fire alarms made by Siemens, a huge global company. They are "committed to minimizing our own impact on the environment through our policies, practices and performance," so they say.
You know what I see? One of the world's great paper wasters. I sent them a PO this year that was 2 pages. When shipped, I received over half a pound of paper just in packing lists - 48 pages. The invoice was 6 pages. They don't care, it's all about making money. How much money do you think Al Gore has made on climate change? Hmmm?
Everyone is in it for the money and looking out for number one, and Barack Obama is a prime example of that very thing. He doesn't care about anything but advancing himself. If he cared, he would get out of the way of America's ability to prosper which would lead to more jobs. But as long as he continues to be a "wet blanket" on the economy, business is going to be cautious and new jobs are going to be scarce.
Yup... it's about looking out for profits and damn anything else.
Thank you, that's Keynesian Economics 101.
Ask the former Soviet Union and Venezuela how well that worked out for them.
Must not have been too rhetorical, you responded to my response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
You totally missed my point, so I tried to make it with a quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Wynn is a lifetime Dem who until now was a big time Obama supporter. I suspect we'll see more of this in the coming months . Former boss of GE Jeff Immelt has spoken out .So did Buffett .and of course what is happening to Boeing is criminal.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Please, enough of your condescension. It's totally unbecoming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
There was absolutely no condescension in any of her posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I find it condescending to be told I don't get it, as in "You totally missed my point." No, I didn't miss the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Be nice, or Ben will come close this on us.
Ya know, I thought the purpose of these member forums was to take it off the main boards and allow us to "have at it" a little bit. N'est-ce pas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
Holy crap, that was perfect - mes félicitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Well thank you. I don't recall a lot but I did take 2 years of French. Why a Texan would need to know French is beyond me but the teacher was a babe.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Wynn of course isn't the only guy complaining about the business climate under Obama:
And I can't forget how Waxman's committee wanted to put their boot to the neck of John Deer, Caterpillar, Verizon and AT&T last year. But what's being a "wet blanket" to business and job creation as long as the regime gets its "shared sacrifice" and Obama gets reelected?Quote:
• 3M's George Buckley, who blasted Obama last February as anti-business. "We know what his instincts are," Buckley said. "We've got a real choice between manufacturing in Canada or Mexico — which tends to be more pro-business — and America," he told the Financial Times.
• Boeing's Jim McNerney, who in the Wall Street Journal last May called Obama's handpicked National Labor Relations Board's suit against his company a "fundamental assault on the capitalist principles that have sustained America's competitiveness since it became the world's largest economy nearly 140 years ago."
• Intel's Paul Otellini, who told CNET last August that the U.S. legal environment has become so hostile to business that there is likely to be "an inevitable erosion and shift of wealth, much like we're seeing today in Europe — this is the bitter truth."
• Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus, who observed to radio host Hugh Hewitt last month that Obama "never had to make payroll," that "nobody has ever created a job in this administration" and that the president is "surrounded by college professors."
• GE's Jeffrey Immelt, one of Obama's biggest supporters, who hit out at the president last year. "Business did not like the U.S. president and the president did not like business," the FT reported him saying. "People are in a really bad mood. We have to become an industrial powerhouse again, but you don't do this when government and entrepreneurs are not in sync."
• Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett, another Obama backer, who blasted Obama's bank tax in January 2010 as a "guilt tax," once called Obama's carbon tax idea "regressive" and this month denounced Obama's obsession with corporate jets.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You can continue to believe BIG businessmen, who can afford to SIT on the sidelines with their MILLIONS, or you can believe a guy who actually RUNS a small business...
The FACT of the matter is, in ALL my years as an entrepreneur, I've NEVER made a decision based on the "business climate". In fact, I NEVER knew what the business climate was, because it was absolutely IRRELEVANT to my business decisions...
Let me clue you in on another myth... In the 30 years I've RUN company's, there's NEVER been a period of "certainty". That would be NEVER! If you think businessmen WAIT till there's "certainty", there would be NO business. There was ALWAYS some agency trying to increase my costs, and butting into my business. That's the way it IS. I don't like it, but I adjust my costs to REFLECT it, and move on. What I DON'T do, is WAIT on the sidelines... BIG businessmen don't do that, either. BIG businessmen have POLITICAL agendas. But, NONE of them would sit on the sidelines if somebody wanted to buy what they're selling.
Take Boeing for example. You've been complaining about how Obama is treating Boeing... He musta REALLY hit them with a "wet blanket". They'll never get any business... Poor Boeing... I'm SURE they'll keep their capital on the SIDELINES, in SPITE of the HUMONGOUS order they just got for airplanes... So much for wet blankets.
excon
Yup. But not to the point where we're being mean to each other. We can disagree--but we have to be respectful about it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
It hadn't gotten bad yet--just pointing out that if it kept going, it was probably going to come to Ben's attention.
I'm all for being respectful... but that seems to be quite a subjective subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synnen
You seem to be under the illusion that I can't believe both.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Boeing has been accused of wrongdoing for daring to put people to work in a right to work state. Whatever millions or billions they have to sit on is irrelevant, they are being persecuted for putting non-union people to work even though they have fully complied with the rules concerning “runaway shops”.Quote:
Take Boeing for example. You've been complaining about how Obama is treating Boeing... He musta REALLY hit them with a "wet blanket". They'll never get any business... Poor Boeing... I'm SURE they'll keep their capital on the SIDELINES, in SPITE of the HUMONGOUS order they just got for airplanes... So much for wet blankets.
No one in Washington lost a job and in fact Boeing has added 2000 jobs while creating another 1000 jobs in South Carolina. You tell those thousand workers in South Carolina they can't really have those jobs because you don't feel sorry for Being, OK?
Relax Steve, Boeing like other multinational companies use whatever leverage they can get to off set union leverage to working conditions, and collective bargaining, wages, and benefits. Often the result is wage stagnation, which companies love more than anything, that starts in the right to work states, and out sourcing and moving to another country where the labor is cheap, and benefits and work rules are non-existent. That's what the lawsuit is about, LEVERAGE. I am all for jobs, not slavery, and leverage is about MONEY, and quiet as its kept, Boeing's Carolina plant, non union as it is, is still covered under a collective bargaining agreement, so what's the difference? Union dues. Less money for unions, less leverage for workers, like yourself.
Boeing has plenty of lawyers, and plants, so don't cry to hard for them.
So I take it that A), you're OK with the administration putting their boot on the neck of Boeing for no lawful reason and B), 1000 jobs not being created in South Carolina. You can help ex tell those workers they can't have their jobs because Boeing deserves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
They can bring the jobs from Europe back over here too, or even better, give the workers in Carolina the same thing as they do in Washington, leverage over work conditions, rules, and benefits. You know that includes due process for advancements and firings also don't you? Why wouldn't they? Don't you have that where you work Steve?
Lets be logical, can your boss arbitrarily fire you, and hire his brother in law? And none of this the boss likes you as a retort, or anything about what a great and valuable worker you are. He can still replace you with his brother in law right??
Screw bringing jobs back from Europe.
Europe has MUCH better working conditions than the US.
Bring the jobs back from Asia, Africa, and South America.
You see what happened in Mexico, when all the factory jobs went there, before they started crossing the oceans. Don't tell me "the job creators" aren't looking for willing slaves.
Hello again, Steve:
Wynn Resorts' 2011 second-quarter earnings were up more than $300 million from the same period of 2010. Its stock price has more than tripled since June 2009.
Wish I had one of them "wet blankets".
excon
It wasn't from a good showing in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Sounds like a "wet blanket" to me. Except of course in Macau.Quote:
Wynn's results benefited from rapid gains in the Macau casino business. Gambling revenue in the Chinese territory rose 45% from a year earlier in the January-June period, after a 58% surge for all of last year. Macau, the only place in China where casino gambling is legal, overtook the Las Vegas Strip as the world's biggest gambling market in 2006 and is poised to rake in five times the Strip's gambling revenue this year.
Or, they can just not create jobs at all. It's a damned easy choice Tal, job or no job. Obama would rather Boeing not create any jobs if they aren't union jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So, like I said, you and ex can tell those 1000 people in South Carolina that job they've been waiting for has been canceled because you don't feel sorry for Being. After that the two of you can get together and offer some "shared sacrifice" to feed them.
Get the facts Steve, the plant has been built, and the jobs being filled, and I doubt anything changes that and the courts will decide if the lawsuit that's been filed has merit, or not. If Boeing broke the law, damages will be assessed, but I seriously doubt they close the plant.
I understand your feelings, but the facts don't support your concerns. The real question is if Boeing expanded to make more planes, to meet demand, or is this a union busting tactic. Be years before that's known, or if the lawsuit has merit.
Don't panic, and get carried away by perception, until the facts have presented themselves. I would caution you on jumping on the band wagon of any multinational corporation at this time, until more is revealed as to their agenda, which is making money, and lots of it. Not whether YOU as an American has a job.
And oh, don't forget, the poor and jobless are fed through Medicaid, your taxes we all share in. That's up to the state, if they are eligible or not.
Then by all means show me the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
A lawsuit was filed and its up to a judge to decide the MERITS of the suit, before it can proceed. That hasn't been done yet.
The plant is built and hiring is being done, production is already under way.
That's all the facts so far. The rest is just speculation, and opinion
The process has only just started. If Boeing was worried about closing a brand new plant, would they just keep going with it??
Charged with what? What are the merits? I'll tell what they are, there are none. And that's a fact.
To bad you have no standing, just an opinion.
What are the merits of the case, Tal? You tell me. What exactly did Being do wrong that brought the weight of the federal government down on them - what law(s) did they break?
Union-Boeing lawsuit may take years - Local - TheSunNews.com
Read the links in the story as well and look at other lawsuits against Boeing. This goes back a few decades.
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Originally Posted by talaniman
The NLRB seeks to force Boeing to move this work to Washington based on what? I have already noted they have added workers in Washington. No union workers there lost their jobs, jobs have been created in both states. How is that retaliation or union busting? It's win-win, but this administration would rather have the workers in SC lose than have both sides win.
The House Committee on Education and the Workplace Thursday took steps to reign in the NLRB's authority to regulate private business decisions plant locations. They pushed the bill out of committee ,to the floor for a full House vote.
I think it important that they came down in favor of a business making decisions on where they operate ;and the right of workers to be free from forced unionism. Now we will get an up or down vote for the nation to see which Reps are for workers and business rights... and for states to have the power to designate the state a 'right to work' state and not get penalized by the Levithian for it.
Can't form a union without voting for it. Not giving private corporation rules and guidelines has ALWAYS led to economic disaster.
Maybe you trust rich people, and corporations to police themselves, I don't. And they have never done anything in history to change that opinion. All we have as a counter balance is unions, and government, as flawed as they both may be.
Again you take it to the extreme. I neither said that there shouldn't be labor rules nor did I contend that companies should be free to operate without rules.
The unions did their jobs in getting labor laws on the books.Fine ,good for them ,they fulfilled their raison d'etre .If you think Boeing is going to exploit the workers in the new plant you're nuts . I'm sure it will be one of the choicest jobs to have in the region.
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