I know lots of retirees that choose to work.

New DNC bulldog Debbie Wasserman-Schultz jumped onto the Mediscare bandwagon. On Face the Nation Sunday she said the GOP was going to going to throw young people "to the wolves."

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“[Republicans] would take the people who are younger than 55 years old today and tell them, ‘You know what? You’re on your own. Go and find private health insurance in the health care insurance market. We’re going to throw you to the wolves, and allow insurance companies to deny you coverage and drop you for pre-existing conditions,’ ” Wasserman-Schultz told CBS’ Harry Smith. ” ‘We’re going to give you X amount of dollars and you figure it out.’

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Only problem is, 3 fact checkers caller disagreed.

FactCheck said she Throws Truth to ‘Wolves’, WaPo gave her three Pinocchios for her lie, and Cato (who the DNC said corroborated her claim) called her argument “high-octane idiocy.”

Maybe she shouldn't have jumped onto that bandwagon head first.

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Health plans that choose to participate in the Medicare exchange must agree to offer insurance to all Medicare beneficiaries, to avoid cherry-picking and ensure that Medicare’s sickest and highest-cost beneficiaries receive coverage.

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Blows a hole in the whole argument being used here about insurance companies not insuring these Medicare patients. If they are part of the exchange they'd have no choice but to cover the patient .

By the way . Republican NY Congressman Chris Lee resigned within hours of being caught posing shirtless on Craigslist . Why hasn't Democrat NY Congressman Anthony Weiner done the same after getting caught Weiner posing on Twitter ?

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btw . Republican NY Congressman Chris Lee resigned within hours of being caught posing shirtless on Craigslist .

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Actually it more due to his being married with children and trolling for women on Craigslist.

Weiner's married too . He married some aid to Evita .

Who's Evita?

Anyway, you said he was posing shirtless on Craigslist which was a nice try to deflect that we were looking for sexual contacts outside of marriage.

Why do you think Weiner posted his crotch shot ?

I don't know but I didn't try to hide the true story like you tried to with the republican.

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Path to Prosperity: Health plans that choose to participate in the Medicare exchange must agree to offer insurance to all Medicare beneficiaries, to avoid cherry-picking and ensure that Medicare’s sickest and highest-cost beneficiaries receive coverage.

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"It's fair game to debate whether the subsidies are adequate to cover insurance costs. But it's wrong to say that the GOP plan would "throw you to the wolves and allow insurance companies to deny you coverage."

This was from the same link you sited, and while the Dems did stretch the facts in their favor, Annenburgh does acknowledge the problem with the size of the subsidy to seniors in the future, so to me, throwing you to the wolves may yet be accurate.

As to shifting more of the cost to future seniors, we could talk if you include the tax dollars to the rich and corporations could be discussed, and make to mistake, Thats YOU Steve, not me. Obamacare is about the same exchanges, and does bring future cost under better control for YOU future, and present seniors, without the tax cuts for the rich and job creators who by the way have historically not used those cuts and loopholes that they have received to create jobs, the exact opposite is true, and you don't have to believe me, just read a history book, and see what always has happened after repub presidents have used "trickle down economics" or "supply side economics", and its interesting how you righties want to throw all the social network gains out and bring back more failed policies, instead of building on a structure that's already in place.

But I guess you will have to be one of the unemployed, and your benefits have run out to see what the republican plan is all about. You are in Texas as I am, so you already know how your Governor has balanced his budget, and how he will have to balance it some more, and that my friend puts all our kids out in the cold, as far as education and health care are concerned.

Gov. Rick Perry's Symbolic Cuts and His Real Ones — 2011 Budget Shortfall | The Texas Tribune

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Perry didnt’t talk about what it might mean to cut almost $10 billion from public education with 80,000 new students joining that system every year. He didnt’t talk about how cuts of 10 percent or more in what the state pays Medicaid providers — doctors and hospitals and such — might shake out. He talked about closing a rural affairs office that most people haven’t heard of and of cutting frills like archaeological projects and arts festivals.

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Why do republicans balance their budgets on people, and not corporations? Not rich people mind you, but people like you and me, and our kids. I don't get it, why anybody who isn't rich, is a republican.

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Why do you think Weiner posted his crotch shot ?

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He didn't post it, but that's what Brietbart claims. He has never told the truth, nor stated FACTS, never ever.

Hello:

Jewish women don't marry Jewish men for the size of their wieners. They marry them for the size of their bank accounts... Ain't no way, that was Wieners wiener.

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He didn't post it, but that's what Brietbart claims. He has never told the truth, nor stated FACTS, never ever.

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I don't think Breitbart broke this. Besides, the Weiner can't say it wasn't his weiner.

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NBC's LUKE RUSSERT: "That's not a picture of you?"

REP. ANTHONY WEINER: "You know, I can't say with certitude. My system was hacked. Pictures can be manipulated, pictures can be dropped in and inserted."

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Should be pretty easy to say with certitude if t wasn't him. I think I'd know if there were any pics of me in my drawers running around ANYWHERE (there aren't).

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just read a history book, and see what always has happened after repub presidents have used "trickle down economics" or "supply side economics",

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You mean like when Jack Kennedy did it ? All it did was bring an instant economic bounce... just like in the 1980s and throughout most of the last decade. Kennedy deeply cut those 1950s rates you are so enamoured with . As a result ,a 106 month economic expansion began . Tax revenues grew by 65% from 1965 to 1970. Why ? Because yes ,tax revenues do increase when marginal rates are reduced according to the Laffer formula.

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NBC's LUKE RUSSERT: "That's not a picture of you?"

REP. ANTHONY WEINER: "You know, I can't say with certitude. My system was hacked. Pictures can be manipulated, pictures can be dropped in and inserted."

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Heeeheeeheeee... he said his weiner was inserted...

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Hello:

Jewish women don't marry Jewish men for the size of their wieners. They marry them for the size of their bank accounts... Ain't no way, that was Wieners wiener.

excon

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I hear his wife is going to file a case in small claims court.

Truthers and birthers and weiners oh my ! Politico is asking why he doesn't report the hacking to the authorities . Answer... because that would be a false report that could get him in trouble with the law. That is why he has been deflecting questions from the press.

I wonder if he's going to retain Spitzer as an attorney ? Maybe he'll seek some advice from Bubba.

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I don't know but I didn't try to hide the true story like you tried to with the republican.

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From the op.

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But it became vacant after incumbent Chris Lee decided he couldn't keep his shirt on (and probably his pants. He got caught responding to a personal ad from a woman on Craigslist . When she saw he was a married Congressman she submitted the evidence to Gawker. Lee quickly resigned .

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What "op"?

Here's your original post on this thead: Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - NY 26th Budget cuts v Mediscare v Trojan Tea Party Candidate

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by the way . Republican NY Congressman Chris Lee resigned within hours of being caught posing shirtless on Craigslist . Why hasn't Democrat NY Congressman Anthony Weiner done the same after getting caught Weiner posing on Twitter ?

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No source, nothing, it's what you chose to say. Quit ****ing around.

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you mean like when Jack Kennedy did it ? All it did was bring an instant economic bounce ...just like in the 1980s and throughout most of the last decade. Kennedy deeply cut those 1950s rates you are so enamoured with . As a result ,a 106 month economic expansion began . Tax revenues grew by 65% from 1965 to 1970. Why ? Because yes ,tax revenues do increase when marginal rates are reduced according to the Laffer formula.

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Very familiar with Laffer's formula, (trickle down economics) but the downside of it was/is that it created an economic bubble that always collapses on itself, and always has lead to high unemployment, high prices, higher taxes, high interest rates and inflation. In layman's terms, a recession, or worse depression. This has happened every time its been done, even with Kennedy.

The point being that its government that bails out the economy until money can circulate on its own, and that's what we have today. Government stepped in and bailed out business, who used the tax breaks for some pretty stupid things, and slowed the free fall that business created. Now the dumb repubs, have again stepped in to stop stimulus, a function of government to restore the economy, and again are colluding with business, to shut off CIRCULATION of the money the economy needs to grow, and sustain, and invest.

In short, its not the common man that screws things up, but businesses that freak out with too much money. Not government spending like you repubs are fond of whining about, but rich guys with tax cuts, that over leverage themselves with schemes to get even more of the moolah.

Now I could go along with tax cuts, if rich guys wouldn't mind sharing the wealth a bit, and not gobble every dollar they get there greedy hands on until they screw up again. Then they cry "i need more".

Time for them to share the sacrifice by helping pay the bills. That's what a dad does when his grown kids screw up, and wrecks the family car don't they? Or do you just increase their allowance, fix the car, and give 'em back the keys.

The Reagan Laffer "bubble " lasted 15 years . Seems like the recessions that follow are part of the normal economic cycle ,and Keynesian pumping worsens the economy ,extending the recession and weakens the eventual recovery. A decade of Keynesian solutions in the 1970s led to double digit inflation,unemployment ,and run away interest rates before the Reagan Presidency .

Nice try Tom, But Reagan's bubble was busted when he left office, and screwed his predecessor royally. "Read my lips." right after he bailed out Jeb, and the junk bond stunt. At the time, Reagan left office with a deficit as I remember it, and the economy was built on McDonald's expanding and Walmart cutting deals, and building stores. Big business was already moving south to Mexico, and then overseas.

I like the way you repubs call returning to previous tax rates and tax hike, whine about being demagogued, right before you demagogued the president for the millionth time in two and a half years, and say what the people want when you ignore that every freaking body, even republicans are against what repubs want to do to Medicare.

You better get those conservatives into the new century fast because it moves along with or without them.

Personally, I rather burn all the money and toast marshmallows with it, and just take care of business like the ants do. They don't get paid, or worry about taxes or foreclosures or Medicare. They don't have elections recessions, or depressions(?) Wonder why a little bitty ant can figure it out, and people can't? Ever wonder why that is Tom?

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Personally, I rather burn all the money and toast marshmallows with it, and just take care of business like the ants do. They don't get paid, or worry about taxes or foreclosures or Medicare. They don't have elections recessions, or depressions(?) Wonder why a little bitty ant can figure it out, and people can't? Ever wonder why that is Tom?

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Yeah I know.. they live in a collective .

But that narrative doesn't really hold up does it ? They are the tools of the queen .They live and die for the queen .They are slave to the queen . So they aren't really working for the colony perse... They do the bidding of the queen... but then again ,such autocracy or absolute rule is the model that the communist nations have emulated also.
Ants also have a rigid caste system . The ant carrying that boulder has no choice but to do the job the ant was born to do .

Are you telling me that is the system you would prefer ?


BTW ,if there are 2 competing ant hills ,how do they resolve their difference?

Always the reference to a socialist point of view, what you have the ability to do is to respond according to your society norms, very primitave but there you have it

I'm not the one who brought up the ant colony model .

.. they live in a collective .
As do we humans, just not as organized
But that narrative doesn't really hold up does it ? They are the tools of the queen .They live and die for the queen .They are slave to the queen . So they aren't really working for the colony parse... They do the bidding of the queen...
They live for survival, they do not do the queens bidding because she gives no orders. They already know what to do and have defined roles that they perform for the good of the collective. For their own good, their survival. They are very efficient, and no one goes hungry
But then again ,such autocracy or absolute rule is the model that the communist nations have emulated also.
There is no rule, just an orderly way to survive.
Ants also have a rigid caste system . The ant carrying that boulder has no choice but to do the job the ant was born to do
They do not argue, revolt, or ask for a raise. They all share the same rewards, from the same sacrifice. From the same effort. Its there way. And they have it down pat.

Are you telling me that is the system you would prefer ?
Efficient, effective, equal, simple, and defined. the goal, to survive and thrive.

BTW ,if there are 2 competing ant hills ,how do they resolve their difference?
The strong survive, the loser is enslaved, or eaten. Just like us humans.

My point though Tom, is that humans have agendas that don't jibe with the whole "collective" surviving, and thriving. Though we have many social models to examine, all of which have merit, be they communism, or democracy, they few reap artificial financial benefit, and the many provide those benefits, and the few manipulate those benefits, and the many suffer for it with less.

There is no difference between communism, and democracy, or America, and Africa. They all share the same self promotion when co operation is required. Until we are like the ant, and cooperate, then the collective cannot survive. As the collective (the world), grows closer together, there has to be even more cooperation, not less.

I think America is a unique opportunity to show the world how a collective of diverse societies can thrive and survive through mutual cooperation, shared sacrifice, and shared reward for the common good. It won't happen sacrificing the many, for the few, but through very honest communications, to move everyone forward.

Fighting over whose hill is the best, Laffer, or Keysnian, Communism, or Democracy, is a conflict for fools since we can use them both as needed, and unlike the Ant, forge a collective where we can be productive, and all can SHARE the work, and the rewards. I admit, human communications is messy, but we have to keep talking honestly. Not only do we have a tremendous amount of work to do, but have even more changes to make.

Then we have the elephant in the room, electing leaders to do our bidding, but who are payrolled by special interests, who don't care if you have a job or a house, or anything else, as long as they can get more money, and more power. The entitled who think they know best for you. Republicans!!

Are you telling me that is the system you would prefer ?
Efficient, effective, equal, simple, and defined. the goal, to survive and thrive.

Yeah and Mussolini made the trains run on time. Liberty is messy .

So is a Whopper with everything on it. But we can share it can't we if that's all we have?

My point is that I can not see a system that doesn't work for everyone, especially those that can't work. Sorry, that's what republicans represent to me. Not that democrats are much better mind you, but I can see where the common ground between us is in the middle, neither all democrat, or all republican, someone who won't say crap to get elected. But is ready to talk, listen, and compromise. OBAMA!! Hey that seems to be all we got right now!

The train runs on time in Dallas, but they keep raising the rates. Mussolini ran his trains well, but his agenda sucked!