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Let's see. It snowed a lot here recently and over the weekend it was WELL below ZERO here and that was not just the windchill either.
I guess they have the HAARP on again here in the USA with all the horribly severe cold weather. Minus 30 some in New York State!! You can't tell me that this is normal.
Yes strange that and it was followed by floods. Now let's expand the theory, it gets colder in Europe, etc, Northern hemisphere, snow and ice, and by the theory of global warming that means more water evaporates in the Southern hemisphere and falls as summer rain. Has anyone found the flaw yet? It cannot be hotter and colder at the same time. The coldest winter in Northern hemisphere and yet this was the hottest year on record. I'm beginning to wonder who is keeping the record, is he sitting next to the air conditioning condenser?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I said it before and I will say it again, natural variability, nothing here to suggest a run away greenhouse effect, in fact nothing that hasn't happened before, particularly in times of volcanic activity. I can expect a chorus of prove it, but my theories are no less unproven than global warming
-5 deg this morning in Texas with a wind chill of -35... gimme some greenhouse effect.
How will you take that? With cyclonic winds? Oceans of water? It's not for want of trying you know! We are going full tilt down here pumping CO2Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello:
Yeah... It's raining here... Freezing cold.. Going to sneeze... Ahh, ahhhh, ahhhhhh, ahhhhhh- Chooooooalgore... Scuse me.
excon
Photos of the huge winter snow storm moving across the US | Plog ? World news photography, Photos ? The Denver Post
Here are some pictures of the Chicago snow storm. About the first 30 or so are Chicago and the storm yesterday and this morning.
Stringer
Hmmmmm! A bit of a mess eh? And I complain when I get snow, which is almost neverQuote:
Originally Posted by Stringer
It actually was kind of fun Clete.
How do you think we got that -35 wind chill? I was outside 2 minutes yesterday and I'm still cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Not fun eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
No, not fun, lol.
You must be a little soft, stringer in Chigago thought it was fun
If it weren't for the travel issues I would not mind it at all. I stoke the fireplace and wait it out . Of course if I lived in an area where it's not a usual event... like where Steve resides ,I'd have a different take .
OK, so I'm soft. We're used to cold, we're used to getting a few storms dumping knee deep snow... we're just not used to those -35 wind chills. A good snow storm is fun, especially if we get a day off.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The cold and high winds shut wind turbines down across the area... how ironic is that? Yet another example of how alternative energy sources are unreliable. I wonder if wind turbines had anything to do with recent massive bird die-offs. ;)
Yup. Dams break, nuclear reactors leak, oil wells dry up. Oh, those energy sources, alternative or not. Mother Nature just doesn't like us sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't recall any recent dams breaking, reactors leaking and Obama won't allow drilling... sometimes Democrats just like us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Hello Steve:
I don't know why you disdain alternative energy. I spose you LIKE paying through the nose for gas, all the while enriching our enemies... Makes no sense to me..
You know when you turn on your lights, you can't tell WHICH energy source supplied the power.. But, YOUR house, Steve, should be segregated into old sources vs new sources, and it should switch OFF when you start getting electricity from sources you don't like... Certainly, a light that burns energy from wind, is a BAD light and should NOT be used by right wingers..
excon
You know ex, I almost pre-empted your argument by saying "that doesn't mean we shouldn't try," but I thought I'd see if you could misrepresenting my position. Apparently not.
We have oil, lots of oil, but the feds won't let us get to it. We can't build refineries, the feds won't let us. We can't build nuclear power plants, the feds stand in the way, and don't even mention coal, which by the way, is what allows me to flip a light switch and turn the lights on.
Oh, and I've also said many times here I'd love to go solar, but after 50 years of developing the technology I still can't afford it.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Even IF we have enough to satisfy our immediate needs, we ARE running out. Or, do you, like clete, think we have a never ending supply?
Is it better to wait to replace it, or is it better to BEGIN the process NOW?? Me? I'd say NOW. You? Nahhh...
excon
PS> Did you notice that I didn't say anything about throwing your trash into the air??
Now? Now?? Did you just miss that after 50 years of developing solar technology I still can't afford it? The first patent for wind turbines was issued in 1891. What's this begin the process now stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Thank you.Quote:
PS> Did you notice that I didn't say anything about throwing your trash into the air??
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hold on, podner... If your only complaint is that it's taking too long, I agree.
If what's lacking in that race, is investment, we should DO that. If what's lacking is technology, we should invest in that too. If it's because we're lacking in education, we should invest there also.
Or, is it your view, that we should do NOTHING to help these industries and let them limp along on their own, and MAYBE in another 50 years, they'll have something?? I think it is.
Contrarily, I believe transferring BILLIONS of our dollars into the HANDS of our enemy, every single day, is reason enough for government to tackle the problem. Frankly, I think it's a national emergency. You?? Not so much.
As I said before, the government can only do a few things, like give subsidy's, or tax breaks. They're giving HUGE subsidy's to the oil industry, who don't really need them... We should take them from the oil company's and give them to green industry. That wouldn't add any tax burden.
Now, of course, the oil companies will complain, and you'll listen... I won't... They DO make BILLIONS. Did I say, they make BILLIONS of $$$$'s. Why are we subsidizing them?
It also occurs to me that you believe investment into these technologies WON'T accomplish anything. It'll be like pushing string - a total waste of money. TIME is the only answer, if there's any answer at all... Dude!
Is that what you believe?? That we should just stand on the sidelines and accept our fate?? Really? Are you sure you're a capitalist? Do you NOT believe that investment produces results??
excon
By all means invest, but don't tie our hands in the mean time which is what the left has done. I can't power my '86 4Runner with a wind turbine and I'm not keen on paying $7-8 a gallon for gas which is what Obama WANTS.
In other words, I'm all for alternative energy. I'm against punishing the people in the process.
Here we go again misrepresenting the position. I have not suggested we shouldn't be conserving oil and developing alternative energy but I am against having to pay for it. It is a business risk that needs to be taken by business. Nor do I agree with disrupting and destroying economies in order to force changeQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
Ex fails to realise this is a political game being played between nations. It is not about the environment either present or future. My economy runs on coal generation which is cost effective and makes us competitive. Why should we destroy our economy because of carping by people like ex who couldn't care less about our survival. I've said it before ex, CO2 emissions are a northern hemisphere problem.
Wind energy has proven to be successful where there is constant strong winds. Solar energy is successful where there is frequent sunshine. Neither respond very well to the prevaling conditions in a north american winter, but they do work very well where I live and have been adopted. I have investment is alternative energy, so ex put your money where your mouth is. What the alternative energy geeks dismiss is that no matter what solution they come up with it is only part of the picture because the population is so dependent upon energy that it needs a constant flow provided by base load generation
Hello again, clete:Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I've been convinced for a long time that the only reason you deny global warming is because you think the remedy for it will "destroy" your/my economy... That's right wing gibberish...
Nothing I've suggested will destroy ANYTHING... In fact, it'll be the engine that will renew our economy... Besides, I haven't said anything about STOPPING stuff. I'm talking about STARTING stuff, making a lot of money, creating a lot of jobs, and reclaiming our lead in the world.
excon
EX, I don't deny that CO2, etc might have an effect on warming the climate, what I am skeptical about is that it is the main reason why the climate change we are observing is happening. Look around you, the snow, etc might be because of volcanic activity, it certainly isn't because the planet is a little hotter although you have to work hard to find out where. Some of us have lived long enough to know that the conditions we live with aren't the worst, just more of the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Ex, I don't know why you follow the socialistic dream of renewal through new technology, every new technology we employ reduces the opportunities for employment, yet we have a growing population. Within your dream is the old capitalist dream of making lots of money which is contrary of your socialist dream. You make money by exploiting mature industries. Very few make money by developing new technologies. Reclaiming your lead in the world is another dream, history is against you, the more innovative places in the world are not in the US now, the twentieth century was your century, your greed overtook you and the twenty-first century belongs to someoneelse. You are like the eight cylinder engine, a dinosaur of the twentieth century
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