Just out of curiosity, how many Dems won and how many Repubs during the mid-term elections? And how many Repubs are Tea-Partiers?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
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Just out of curiosity, how many Dems won and how many Repubs during the mid-term elections? And how many Repubs are Tea-Partiers?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I'm not the statistician. If you'd like to tell us then great, but that really had nothing to do with my point. Everyone pays attention to the Palins... no one is listening to Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Speaking of dummies, last night on Larry King, Biden commented on the time line to pull out of Afghanistan. "Daddy is going to start to take the training wheels off in October -- I mean in next July, so you'd better practice riding.” Meanwhile, Obama is set to tell Europe he still cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And these are the grownups in charge?
Fox News making fun of Palin:
You had to know that they never believed the crap that they spew.
Lol ,the only wild life Judith Miller and Liz Trotta have ever encountered are leashed poodles on the Manhattan streets where they live.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Can someone be cunning and dumb too? I think so. Sarah Palin has extraordinary political instincts. Yet, she's as dumb as a rock.
excon
Good point ex, I think that applies equally to Obama and Biden.
And most of the republicans here. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Actually, no. Obama is smart as a whip, which has done him absolutely NO GOOD so far. I WISH the Obaminator would develop a little cunning... Right now, he looks like a meek little lamb.
excon
Biden agrees, Obama is just too darn smart, “I think what it is, is he’s so brilliant. He is an intellectual,” Biden said.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Now speaking about the 'hatred out their to anything Palin;
'Dancing with the Stars' rocked by Bristol Palin 'fan mail' containing white powder, threats: report
Geez, first a guy shoots his TV and points the gun at his wife, then TV insiders think a Bristol win would ruin the show, now terrorism. This Palin derangement is out of control.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
She IS a divisive figure, isn't she? The derangement goes both ways, though... She doesn't like her critics any more than they like her.
excon
Totally agree, you guys have posted practically everyday about her.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Obama is trying to keep everyone happy, and that tactic is failing miserably. Reminds me of my father. He tried to keep us kids happy and uncomplaining by being constantly agreeable to anything and everything, so we complained even more. My mom heard our complaints, opened the utensil drawer, and got out the big, black wooden spoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
All of the events in my last post were about Bristol. People are terrorizing one of her children? Even you should admit that's gone too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
A guy shoots his TV & threatens his wife. People complain that DWTS is rigged (or whatever the complaints are -- I don't watch the show) because Bristol shouldn't be there, and now someone sends baby powder through the mail. It appears to me that some people simply don't like Bristol. So what. She appears to be handling it very well, just as an adult should. She isn't a child. She has placed herself in the public eye as her baby's daddy has. She is going to receive criticism, hate, crazed love letters, hate mail, marriage proposals, threats, possibly a stalker or two,. whatever. That is what happens when a person chooses to be in the public spotlight as the Palins and Lohans of the world have. I have no sympathy for any of these people. They have chosen the lives they are leading. You can call it terrorism if you want to. I don't. I call it the price of fame.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
EVEN me? As though I countenance SOME bad behavior?? Dude!
excon
Perfect post - you echo my sentiments exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Another_Lemming
Not my intent at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
OK, call it a hate crime. Whatever you call it it's not the price of fame, that's going too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Another_Lemming
I don't feel it is going too far. Sorry you don't agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Among a number of things that have happened, a Nutty Mcnutjob sent a hate letter filled with talcum powder to Bristol Palin. You want to call it a hate crime? That's okay with me. Other reality TV stars deal with hate mail and threats all the time, as well as love letters and all the stuff I mentioned above. If the Palins had settled back down into their normal lives in Alaska after the 2008 election, none of this garbage would have happened. Bristol would have just been one of many unwed mothers in the U.S. So for her and her family, all the negative (as well as positive) attention IS the price they are paying for their desire to be in the limelight. I am not saying I believe she should be treated that way. She shouldn't. No one should (except maybe that douche Spencer Pratt). Anyway, it just is what it is In my opinion. Famous people are the prime targets of all sorts of crackpots & fans. I suspect it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
We'll have to agree to disagree, because no one deserves to be stalked, threatened and harassed just because they're in the public eye. Particularly after the anthrax letters, mailing white powder is no joke.
Steve, I think you are misinterpreting what I stated as my tacit agreement that this anti-social behavior is okay. I never said that anyone deserved to be stalked, etc "just because they're in the public eye." I specifically said she shouldn't be treated that way. Of course "mailing white powder is no joke." I never said it was. However, do I consider it a terrorist attack? No. Do I think a person with too many loose screws went too far? Yes. Do I think the person who sent that letter hates Bristol Palin with an irrational passion? You betcha. Do I consider it a hate crime? No, not in the way you appear to feel it is but I won't pick at you if you want to call it that.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I believe when people place themselves in the spotlight non-stop, the loonies come out of the woodwork and anything (good or bad) can happen. It is what I call the price of fame. You don't agree. That's okay. Yes, we can agree to disagree.
I don't agree it is either necessary or right ,or 'the way it is" .
Princess Di was killed by this obsession with celebrity and fame ;so was John Lennon.
There was not this passionate hatred of either ,and still they were stalked until killed .
Sematics aside ,does it really make a difference if John Lennon was shot by a terrorist,by a deranged fan ;or a stalking paparazzo ? It has to be treated seriously
Agreed. She has the option of retreating from the spotlight and take care of her child. That would be a good start.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
No worries Jal, I didn't come away believing you thought that kind of behavior was OK.
Yes the liberal position is that women should be barefoot and pregnant cooking dinner.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Really? I grew up in a very conservative Republican family/community and was always given that message.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Did not know NK was conservative .
He said "option." Liberals give choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Liberals dictate who should get choices. Almost from the day Palin bounced onto the national scene the left has said she should go home and take care of her family. They're still saying it today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Those bastards!
excon
He said "That would be a good start"
Do you ever hear them suggest that would be the right choice for a man ?
Black Chicago Sun-Times columnist John Fountain does.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Real men work for their families :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: John W. Fountain
Tom, I never stated it is "necessary" or "right". I did state "it is what it is" and if you want to disagree, that is your privilege.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I am not saying this stuff should be ignored. Of course it should be treated seriously!
You have stated in a different way what I have been saying here. You said, Princess Di & John Lennon were "killed by this obsession with celebrity and fame". Along with the regular fan base, you have crazies that will latch onto people who are famous. Unlike your examples of Lennon & Di, Bristol Palin did have the choice to remain out of the spotlight.
Who said that? You continue your habit of mis-representing people's words. If you don't believe that children need a healthy household with two present caring parents then that's your belief, not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I'm conservative on some issues and liberal on others. Does that matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I took 5 months of parental leave, did you?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Sure they did . Lennon sought fame his whole life . Reality hit the Beatles after the Shea Stadium concerts . They became so afraid for their personal safety they quit doing concerts.Quote:
Unlike your examples of Lennon & Di, Bristol Palin did have the choice to remain out of the spotlight.
Di knew fame was part and partial when she married the probably future King of England. She tried to put it to good use .Neither she ,nor Lennon ,nor Bristol have signed up for the treatment...
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