BTW Excon, do you think it was wrong for me to call the Pastor stating I was a rep for the Imam, we were going to move the site from ground zero, and invite him up for a little chat on Saturday?:rolleyes:
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BTW Excon, do you think it was wrong for me to call the Pastor stating I was a rep for the Imam, we were going to move the site from ground zero, and invite him up for a little chat on Saturday?:rolleyes:
Yeah I just heard this story on Chris Matthew's "Screwball" .
This 'pastor' is a nut job no doubt about it.
I think the FBI did some arm twisting . We may never know the whole story.
Wish I could give greenies in discussion threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Another_Lemming
On "screwball" they are blaming General P for stoking the controversy.
Now Matthews just called burning Korans the equivalent of 'shouting fire in the crowded theater' . In other words there may be a case to make a 1st amendment exception . Would he say the same about flag burning ;or emersing a crucifix in a jar of urine and calling it art ?
Matthews just reported that the nut pastor is only suspending the Koran burnings because he has no guarantee of a beer summit and pig roast with Rauf .
JAL, quick! Call him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Well the troops are out of danger now so what excuse will there be now for casualties?
My thoughts exactly... damn if only we knew 30 years ago if this Pastor would have threatened to burn Korans in the future and insult the Terrorists we could have stopped him then and they would never have done anything over the last 30 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I suppose now Hamas, Hezbolah, Al Queda, The Taliban and who knows what other groups are going to disband now that the earth shattering event is over.
Or maybe they are just blowing smoke... again and that was a lame excuse.
Who is you think was blowing smoke? The Generals? The Muslims? The Pastor?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I think the whole thing is a bit limp
The Muslims... they would be threatening us and killing us because we aren't Muslim. They don't need an excuse and if there was a bonfire or not this weekend, nothing would be different. Its been going on since the Marine Barraks in Lebonon under Regan.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Funny that when John Gotti made statements of if you don't do what I want bad things might happen... they could charge him with making criminal threats under the RICO act... if a Muslim does it... Obama ignores it. And Islam makes the Mafia look like a Cub Scout Troop.
Now the Pastor has the constitutional right to do what he threatened to do... and every muslim with their panties in a knot can take their Quaran and shove it up their collective butts... because they started this... if anyone needs to make a gesture of good faith its them.
Now as far as the General goes.. Personally he should not have uttered a word... funny, its fine with the code to Parrot Obama... but its somehow against some code to mention the same topic if you are the slightest bit different in opinion..
I think there is a great degree of butt kissing going on there... why I can't guess. I'd retire before I'd let that clueless moron in the Whitehouse tell me how to do my job. And my opinion Between Patraeus and Obama... only one has a clue about anything. And its not obama.
I got no time for burning books in Florida, to celebrate 9/11. I got an invite to a beer bash in Alaska with Dame Sarah, and Father Glen, so could someone loan me 200 bucks??
But they have made a gesture of good faith, they want to bless you with a mosque at ground zero, an interfaith house, which is somewhat un-muslim. That you respond by saying we would rather burn the quoran, which is less offensive than what you suggest be done with it, is hardly the point. When will you learn you are dealing with what are essentially uneducated brainwashed peasants whose only response to anything they don't like is to riot and burn flags.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I say go ahead, call their bluff and burn the quoran. Stand up and be counted, in fact as a gesture of good faith give them the flags to burn
Yeah right. I see a line of Hasidim going there to use the swimming pool already.Quote:
an interfaith house,
If you can give me a ride.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
THey call Demanding we let them build a mosque on ground zero... (and this site was hit and damaged by the langing gear of one of the jets so essentually this IS ground zero as well) or they will kill Americans...Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Yeah... thats making a gesture, and actually, its VERY Muslim to do. THe Quaran calls for this very thing.
There is no Christian or Jew... that will ever go to a Mosque to pray. Just isn't going to happen any more than a Muslim going to a Temple or Church to pray.
WHat would I say and do if I was President?
From this day forward... any new mosque construction in the USA will proceed ONLY after a Church or temple of equal size and desireability of location is contructed in Medina and Mecca, and other sites as determined by American religious leaders... also, travel restrictions, and laws prohibiting Bibles and non-muslims in Muslim countries will also be matched here, as you will be arrested for trying to smuggle Bibles into Saudi Arabia, where bibles are frequently burned when found, and no non-muslim is permitted to travel in Medina or Mecca.
THey obviously will counter , Well that's Saudi Arabia and they make their own rules as a cop-out. Well, this is OUR country and WE make the rules here.
Tit for Tat. How more fair can that be.
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Fair, but UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I thought you tea partiers LOVE the Constitution... But, when push comes to shove, you really don't. You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk. THAT is the problem here.
Didn't I read a post or two ago where you ranted about how SIMPLE the Constitution is to understand?? They didn't use big words and wrote it so EVERYBODY could understand it... I guess you only want to apply it WHEN it suits you. That's not very American. Being a good American is HARD.
excon
Really... SO you think the WTO is unconstitutional too?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Its NO different.
Contrary to what the left thinks...
Muslims don't have ANY special rights.
Not to worry .Rev Yosemite Sam will have a beer summit with Iman Rauf tomorrow at Ground Zero and all the world's problems will be solved .
Exactly... all the terrorists are going to disband, so there will be peace in the middle east, nobody will be shooting at out troops... all because one Pastor didn't burn a book.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Oh wait... they were doing this since longe BEFORE this Pastor threatened to do exactly what Muslims do on a regular basis to OUR holy books.
But they will probibly drink Doogh... which if you have ever tried it is a salted yogurt drink that tastes like spoiled milk. God aweful stuff.
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
For a Constitution loving Tea Parteir, you sure want to throw it in the garbage. You'd rather we adopt the policies of Saudi Arabia... I don't know why.
There is ONE consistency in your posts, however.. That's a thorough trashing of our Constitution... I think it's FEAR.
excon
The nutty Rev illustrates is that an issue left unresolved will be gladly picked up by loones to run with it. This is John Brown redux .Quote:
You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk. THAT is the problem here.
I keep on bringing up p.c. because that is the egg shells we walk on .
President Obama ordered bibles that were sent to Afghanistan burned ;but comes out publicly against the burning of Korans.
Burning Koran a 'recruitment bonanza' for Al Qaeda, Obama says - CSMonitor.comQuote:
I hope he understands that what he’s proposing to do is completely contrary to our values as Americans, that this country has been built on the notion of freedom and religious tolerance … And as a very practical matter, I just want him to understand that this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women who are in uniform.
Why is burning Korans against our values but burning Bibles OK ?
Ex you about playing by the rules ;but it appears there are 2 different rule books ;and they are not treated equally .
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You confuse me with an Obama mouthpiece...
excon
The only country I am aware of where a leader actually stood up and said that in recent times is my own, he wasn't speaking of religion, nevertheless Muslims would have heard the message. Very un-PC of him, but that is historyQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Tom you know as well as I do there are many more Bibles than Koran's in the world, they just want to balance the numbers which they will never do, of course. It is PC to be anti-Christian because Christians are in your face, will tell you there is only one way and will say what you are not supposed to do, whereas Muslims are allowed to lie and cheat and kill to achieve their religious objectives which makes them no different to the general populationQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again,
You'll forgive me, but I have NO sympathy for whiny Christians who think they're being persecuted just like the Muslims are...
Gimme a break!
excon
Muslims are being persecuted ? How ?
You have no clue do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Voice of the Martyrs
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
From Wikkipedia:
Political repression is the persecution of an individual or group for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of society.
Political repression may be represented by discriminatory policies, human rights violation, surveillance abuse, police brutality, imprisonment, involuntary settlement, stripping of citizen's rights, and violent action such as the murder, summary executions, torture, forced disappearance and other extrajudicial punishment of political activists, dissidents, or general population.
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Let me summarize how we've done that exact thing to the Muslims of the world; FIRST and foremost, we support their tyrannical kings and presidents, we invade Muslim country's that DIDN'T attack us, we kill 100's of thousands of them, and call it collateral damage, we render them away from where we caught them to other country's just so they can be tortured, we imprison them forever, we give them no rights, we tell them they can't open a mosque in their own country, and we're contemplating the burning of Korans...
I guess you missed all that.
excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
That's a hell of a thing to say to a Jew. You can whine about being persecuted after 6,000,000 of you are murdered. Yeah, I went to your website. No, I wasn't impressed.
excon
Time to break out the tin foil hats...Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Yeah I did . I thought you agreed we were not at war with 'Muslims '.
The people you speak of are citizens of nations .Yet you speak as if any actions we take (right or wrong ) is against their religion. This is not the case. You speak of liberating them from the tyrants you complain we support as wrong. . We also liberated "Muslims " in the Balkans against 'infidel 'oppressors . Was our "invasion" there also wrong ? We also freed the 'Muslims' of Kuwait from the tyranny of a different 'Muslim'nation ;and blocked that same 'Muslim' tyrant from invading and conquering the holiest place in their religion. When we helped them liberate Afghanistan against invasion were we also persecuting them?
No one has stopped anyone from building a mosque . What you are saying is that their right to build a mosque supercedes the majority's right to oppose it. So who gets persecuted then ?
As far as burning Korans... how in the world do you see that as persecution ?
Btw when they burn bibles then are Christians being persecuted ?
Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com
Or maybe that is cloaked as a justifiable reaction to their persecution ?
No... its being pissed off that as a Christian in my own country I can't enjoy the CHRISTMAN season because some whack jobs fight and sue that its unconstututional to display a cross, or even mention Christs name... and then have them pervert the holiday by them making everyone call it Xmas, Happy Holidays or some other freaking thing... because oif you meantion Christ or anything CHristian on a CHrisian Holiday they will take you to court.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And the same bunch bends over backwards to give Muslims even more rights than we ourselves have. And not only American Muslims... but muslims that don't even have a legal right to be here or even live here.
Islam is WORSE than the MAFIA... ISLAM should be prosecuted under the RICO act because nearly everything they do is corrupt and illegal.
If a Christian Church so much as sides with a Republican Candidate they threaten to revoke their Tax exemption... but its fine for Muslims to do non-religous actions while retaining their tax exempt status... not only that... Obama will give them tax dollars to help them. But not if you are CHristian... anything that is remotely political (but only if its conservative) is received with a threat of tax status revokation.
Obama Ordered Bibles Burned in Afghanistan... where is the uproar from the people that got their panties in a knot about the Koran even being threatened to be burned.
And this happened months ago... Under Obamas orders.
Yeah... Obamas really a Christian... he orders bibles burned... and gets his panties in a knot when someone want to burn a Quran.
No REAL Christian would burn his own Holy book and get so upset about a Koran being burned.
BREAKING NEWS: Pentagon Burns Soldiers Bibles - Military Chaplains Attacked
Bet you never saw THAT on CNN, ABC, NBC or any of the left wing media. THey all hate Christians and Jews...
Hoiw any Jew could call themselves a Democrat is beyond belief. Or any self respecting Christian for that matter too.
I suppost you think Sharia would be good, and our Consrtitution should be declaired unconstitutional... because the two can not coexist.
I thought this wasn't supposed to get personal? Don't try and portray me as being insensitive to the plight of Jews, you know better than that. But YOU laid down the gauntlet that Christians aren't being persecuted like Muslims are and that's a damn lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I'll second that... Christians are killed and burned by muslims on at least what appears to be a daily basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Suadi Arabia... look how Christians are treated there under Islam. Or any other country Islam has infested in large percentages.
Bring a Bible into that country what happens... try to go to medina or Mecca as a non-muslim see what happens... and THEY are allowed to build Mosques here.
And Islams persecution of Jews is even worse.
At least Muhammed Musri earned another virgin in paradise by convincing Yosemite Sam that they'd move the ground zero site.
Too bad he forgot to tell Rauf.
I am not for burning the Quran. I think that smacks as much prejudice and intolerance as we (collectively speaking) say that SOME followers of Islam produce against Christians and Jews and any other non Muslim person(s).
Build that mosque any other place, I don't care, just not in THAT spot in NYC. I am not saying that because I am bigoted or racist or hateful. I am saying that out of the deepest respect to the lost lives and their families of 9/11.
My two cents.
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
That's because it ain't true. According to factcheck.org the bible burning occurred under the Bush Administration.
By your own standards, does this mean Bush isn't a real Christian?
excon
Yeah, yeah.. bunch of people tied to the left that support Obama with motives to cover his butt.. Wonderful source... nice try but your claim isn't true.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
CNN is who reported on this... not FOX, not a Blogger. I suppose THEY switched sides now. THAT would be a first. The left LOVES CNN... except when something gets covered they wanted to hide by them.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/as...bibles.burned/
If you read your own source (CNN), you will find that the Bibles were burned under the Bush administration, not Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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