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Actually, no, he's not. He was never a politician in Daley's machine. He dealt with it as a community organizer to improve Chicago South Side neighborhoods.

I came out here to college in 1963 and never left the area. I have no love for Daley or his minions, and, thank God, have never lived in Chicago so that Daley or his father was my mayor.

Obama is not a product of Chicago politics. His political experience is in the 'hoods and as a state senator.

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Um... HE has a HOUSE in Chicago area... He was a State Senator in that area... he got into politics in Chicago...

Daley was a world class crook, no doubt... and the entire Chicago political Machine is well know to be crooked. It always has been hell it might always bee without major changes in mindset there... and there isn't one thing Obama ever improved for anybody... most of those projects he fought to make US taxpayers pay for,, not Illinois taxpayers... were riddled with corruption and never completed and a huge waste of tax dollars. Good times wasn't a slice of real life. Made a great TV show ( I still like it)... but most slum dwellers aren't like that fictitious family.


Incidentally I grew up poor... I know too many poor people NOW for someone to pull the wool over my eyes about reality there. Most think they are entitled to everything, and have little respect for anything that's not their own. And yeah... they tear the hell out of housing projects or even sect 8 housing. A handfull might not... but that's true for most of them.

You have far more opportunity in a Chicago Project than you do in Rural Alabama or West Virginia... as a poor person.

Look up Appalachia... I know the culture well.

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Um...HE has a HOUSE in Chicago area....He was a State Senator in that area....he got into politics in Chicago...

Daley was a world class crook, no doubt .....and the entire Chicago political Machine is well know to be crooked. It always has been hell it might always bee without major changes in mindset there....and there isn't one thing Obama ever improved for anybody....most of those projects he fought to make US taxpayers pay for,,,,not Illinois taxpayers....were riddled with corruption and never completed and a huge waste of tax dollars. Good times wasn't a slice of real life. Made a great TV show ( I still like it)....but most slum dwellers aren't like that ficticious family.


Incidently I grew up poor.....I know too many poor people NOW for someone to pull the wool over my eyes about reality there. Most think they are entitled to everything, and have little respect for anything thats not their own. And yeah...they tear the hell out of housing projects or even sect 8 housing. A handfull might not....but thats true for most of them.

You have far more opportunity in a Chicago Project than you do in Rural Alabama or West Virginia....as a poor person.

Look up Appalachia....I know the culture well.

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I'm a Tar Heel, was born and raised in NC and grew up in the hills of Appalachia. As a preacher's family, we were poorer than dirt, so you can't tell me anything about being poor.

Obama didn't "get into politics" in Chicago. He was never part of that crowd. Durbin, a state senator, finally convinced him to run for president. It was Durbin's idea in the first place.

Obama owns a house in Chicago. That makes him bad?

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I'm a Tar Heel, was born and raised in NC and grew up in the hills of Appalachia. As a preacher's family, we were poorer than dirt, so you can't tell me anything about being poor.

Obama didn't "get into politics" in Chicago. He was never part of that crowd. Durbin, a state senator, finally convinced him to run for president. It was Durbin's idea in the first place.

Obama owns a house in Chicago. That makes him bad?

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Well the people he bought that property from, and his terrorist buddies makes him bad...

You gave me another reason to hate Durbin...

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Well the people he bought that property from, and his terrorist buddies makes him bad.....

You gave me another reason to hate Durbin.....

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I bought my property from a hunter who delights in killing animals. That makes me bad?

He has no terrorist buddies. *yawn* Get over that.

Actually, Durbin has been a good senator. We've had a few who weren't. A few icky governors too...

And there WG I have to disagree with you. It is well documented who and what sorts of people Nobamas connected with. Terrorist Ayres is only the tip of the ice berg. He got a sweatheart deal on his house because of connections. Why is it he has never released his real birth certificate? Is it because he was actually born in Africa?

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And there WG I have to disagree with you. It is well documented who and what sorts of people Nobamas connected with. Terrorist Ayres is only the tip of the ice berg. He got a sweatheart deal on his house because of connections. Why is it he has never released his real birth certificate? Is it because he was actually born in Africa?

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Hahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah!!

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And there WG I have to disagree with you. It is well documented who and what sorts of people Nobamas connected with. Terrorist Ayres is only the tip of the ice berg. He got a sweatheart deal on his house because of connections. Why is it he has never released his real birth certificate? Is it because he was actually born in Africa?

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Those stories have all been debunked countless times.

A "sweatheart deal" -- like in the gym? Sweat? It's sweetheart deal, and no, that isn't true. Even the seller came forward to explain how the house-buying deal was done.

And you're going to believe the papers Obama produces are the real deal?

I set up a separate link to this answer because of the frequency I have to link to it.

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Regarding Obama's birth certificate ;


Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. CodeSec 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth":

Anyone born inside the United States

Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S. as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

So even if the evidence shows that he was born outside the US and his Hawaii birth certificate was a fraud ;he would still be qualified .

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politi...te-275470.html

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So even if the evidence shows that [President Obama] was born outside the US and his Hawaii birth certificate was a fraud ;he would still be qualified .

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politi...te-275470.html

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I'm starting to fall in love with you.

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I bought my property from a hunter who delights in killing animals. That makes me bad?

He has no terrorist buddies. *yawn* Get over that.

Actually, Durbin has been a good senator. We've had a few who weren't. A few icky governors too....

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Bill Ayers... was a close friend to Obama... Obama got his start in politics in Bill Ayers home... Bill Ayers actually spent time in jail for a bombing he did with the Weather Underground. THere is no speculation on that... its all been proven.

The sweetheart deal Obama got on his peoperty was with another close friend who recently went to jail for a lot of years for his criminal activity.

The list of crooks and criminals in Obamas administration is long...

If you didn't pay your taxes for a number of years... at all... what would happen to you as an average citizen? It wouldn't be pretty... right... fines, penalties, jailtime...

But if you have connections to Obama you get offered the chance to run the entire treasury Dept... INCLUDING running the IRS. Who other than a Democrat would appoint a proven tax cheat to head the IRS. And who other than democrats would think its OK... as long as the tax cheat was a Democrat as well. And all of the other tax cheats he nominated... and Democrats looked the other way on.


Now if Bush had appointed a tax cheat to run that... could you imagine the colective crying and screaming from the democrat party?

Yet Obama does it REPEATEDLY... and the democrats response is... So what..

Look up Culture of Corruption in the Dictionary... you will find the pictures of Obama, Pelosi and Reed.


Hipocrits... Hipocrits every one of them. THey hold No one in their party accountible for their criminal actions...

You're an angry man/woman.

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You're an angry man/woman.

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I'm a VERY angry... MAN.


What's wrong with Democrats... Obamas been in Office for OVER a year... and NOTHING is his fault... he's perfect... everything is Bushes fault... never mind the fact he hasn't been in office for well over a year... and the fact that DEMOCRATS have had a Congressional Majority for the last 3+ years now, and the Senate too... NOT the republicans.

So the Democrats are to blame for what's happened the last 3+ years. THey aren't off the hook just because Bush signed something.. everything done the last 3+ years was written, and pushed by the Democrats... time for them to step up to the plate... and accept the blame rather than point fingers like elementery schoolchildren

Have a nice cup of tea and go for a walk. Try not to hate people so much.

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Have a nice cup of tea and go for a walk. Try not to hate people so much.

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I don't hate people in general... I just hate CERTAIN people. Usually the ones that get intrusive into MY life because they obviously figure they can't get their own in order so they screw with others to ruin theirs too. And those that think they are entitled to anything at someone else's expense.

Ok, good luck with that.

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Bill Ayers... was a close friend to Obama

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That is not true and has been proven over and over again.

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... Obama got his start in politics in Bill Ayers home

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And I went to a Tupperware party at Sharon A's house in 1986 and her husband is now in jail for molesting little neighbor kids, so what does that make me?

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... Bill Ayers actually spent time in jail for a bombing he did with the Weather Underground. THere is no speculation on that... its all been proven.

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Gosh, that's a page out of history. So?

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The sweetheart deal Obama got on his peoperty

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It was no sweetheart deal (glad you're finally spelling "sweetheart" correctly). The seller finally revealed who he is and explained the whole process. And it wasn't much of a deal, actually. Look up the real story (it's a matter of public record) and stop listening to people who want to incite.

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That is not true and has been proven over and over again.

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Hello again, WG:

Pssst. He's a birther. He believes what he wants to believe.

excon

So is this terrorism? I think it is.

Democrats fear for their families - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

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That is not true and has been proven over and over again.

And I went to a Tupperware party at Sharon A's house in 1986 and her husband is now in jail for molesting little neighbor kids, so what does that make me?

Gosh, that's a page out of history. So?

It was no sweetheart deal (glad you're finally spelling "sweetheart" correctly). The seller finally revealed who he is and expained the whole process. And it wasn't much of a deal, actually. Look up the real story (it's a matter of public record) and stop listening to people who want to incite.

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Who proved it wrong? Democrat propagandists? The same people who claim Socialized medicine will save money... even after Hireing 12,000 NEW IRS auditers to make sure everyone pays what they are told to pay or else... so the lazy can have their free health care while the rest of us get the money tp pay for it extorted from us on payday... OBAMA himself has said they were friends... there are very few people who believe otherwise. Simple Google searchs provides ample evidence of his ties with Ayers... Nobody is saying Obama was IN the weather Underground... he was too young for that.


And he did get a sweetheart deal... from a now convicted fellon.

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Hello again, WG:

Pssst. He's a birther. He believes what he wants to believe.

excon

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Really... Just like the people that think Obama is the Messiah... a saint... and never did anything wrong in his life... ever.

They believe he makes Mother Terresa look like a brothel Maddam.

Even when its on film... audio tape... or in writing. Like the rascist comments he made repeatedly in his TWO autobiiographies (if that doesn't prove arrogance, then arrogance doesn't exist... anywhere)


Incidentally... can you name 3 people who are not affiliated with the Democratic party that has actually SEEN that birth Certificate in person?


Hmmmmmmmm. Still waiting. I don't need to see it... I want three Republicans who have actually seen it... Democrat Politicians are genetically incapible of speaking the truth. They've recently proven that. Hell Nancy Pelosi is completely incapible of separating the fantasy world from Reality.


Besides... where are his college records... the left claims he is so smart... lets see the proof. He is the Dumbest man walking the earth as far as I have seen... I want to see his grades in College.



There is spin (and a spin is a half-lie)... but a Full-lie is still a lie.

Smoothy I don't know if the Obama got a great deal on a house. What I want to know is if someone gave you smoothy a great deal on a house would you or would you not take it?

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Yes comrade smoothy... and all republicans politicians are gay and like to touch little boys.

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Really... Just like the people that think Obama is the Messiah... a saint... and never did anything wrong in his life... ever.

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He's human and has made mistakes (just like you and me). One of his biggest as far as I'm concerned is that he is trying to appease the Republicans and is being too wimpy. He should just ram stuff through in order to get it done.

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Like the rascist comments he made repeatedly in his TWO autobiiographies (if that doesn't prove arrogance, then arrogance doesn't exist... anywhere)

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And your posts (and terrible spelling) cause me to think what about you?

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I want three Republicans who have actually seen it

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Then you will apologize?

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Besides... where are his college records... the left claims he is so smart... lets see the proof. He is the Dumbest man walking the earth as far as I have seen... I want to see his grades in College.

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You haven't heard him speak extemporaneously? You haven't read his books and had to look up words (oh, yeah, ghostwriters with thesauruses... )? He always amazes me how well he does his homework -- can talk with no hitch about situations in cities and tiny countries I (and I'm sure you) have never even heard of, can talk about financial stuff and make even ME understand, speaks in complete sentences with good grammar, pronounces words (including "nuclear") and geographical place names correctly. You do have to give him credit for being smart.

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Yes comrade smoothy...and all republicans politicians are gay and like to touch little boys.

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Barney Frank is still serving so obviously that's not a concern to them.

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Hmmmmmmmm. Still waiting. I don't need to see it....I want three Republicans who have actually seen it....

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Tom has already posted the law are you to wrapped up in a lie to comprehend what the law says!

Wondergirl. Actually I have questions about the authorship of at least his 1st book. At minimum Bill Ayers gets a big assist.

The questions of his college record are intriguing . I for one would enjoy reading any thesis, or anything he authored as President of the Harvard Law Review. In fact;being a professor and all that ;there is a surprising lack of paper trail.
(do I still feel the love ?)

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He's human and has made mistakes (just like you and me). One of his biggest as far as I'm concerned is that he is trying to appease the Republicans and is being too wimpy. He should just ram stuff through in order to get it done.

And your posts (and terrible spelling) cause me to think what about you?

Then you will apologize?

You haven't heard him speak extemporaneously? You haven't read his books and had to look up words (oh, yeah, ghostwriters with thesauruses....)? He always amazes me how well he does his homework -- can talk with no hitch about situations in cities and tiny countries I (and I'm sure you) have never even heard of, can talk about financial stuff and make even ME understand, speaks in complete sentences with good grammar, pronounces words (including "nuclear") and geographical place names correctly. You do have to give him credit for being smart.



There is spin (and a spin is a half-lie)......but a Full-lie is still a lie.

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I'm not appologizing to or for Obama... the man has Finally made Jimmy Carter look like a saint rather than an idiot. No Longer will Jimmy Carter be remembered as the idiot president... Obama has that spot now.

Someone in the Democrat party teach that Idiot in the Whitehouse basic finances and what a buget is and how to balance his checkbook. Nobody ever taught him that yet, obviously.

I have the RIGHT to my earnings... not some lazy SOB who never finished high school... thinks they are entitled to welfare as they pump out (or help make) kid after kid whi wll also be allowed to roam the streets and steal what they want because heaven forbid they got off their lazy butts and got a job.

But no... they think Drug Dealing and Car-jacking are acceptable vocations. Because they are entitled to big money without real work.

Heaven forbid they make sacrifices and buy their own medical insurance... because they would have to give up all the cell phones in the house... maybe their all inclusive cable TV subscriptions... or have to start cooking and eating at home... or gasp... live within their means.



Personally... while I don't condone the violence threats that are happening... I understand them all too well.

MOST polls show the MAJORITY... dislikes... actually HATES the crap Dumbo ears is trying to ram down our throats... and if it continues... trust me... its going to get really ugly. THere are that many people out there that are fed up with Bozo the Telepromter reading buffoon... who thanks to the actions of the democrats the last two years really have little left to lose...

Nope I'm not one of them... but quite honestly... I'm not going to fault them either...


Strange how the Democraps who 40 years ago were the ones who were so worried about big brother... have not only became Big brother on steroids... but have made George Orwells 1984 become reality.


Hope you like the local Politically appointed medical board decide who has been a good enough party member to get that operation they need... orif they will be denied because they expressed an opinion the party disapproves of.

Because Comrad Obama wanted this... and you bought into it... you will now have elected officials determining who does and who doesn't get medical treatment...

And sit there now and tell me there is NO possible way that who gets coverage and who doesn't won't be politicized?



And incidentally... I don't have a functioning spell checker and can't have one as its blocked on this machine... and that set as a superadmin from a policy I can't edit even as a local admin. If you understand Active Directory and administered Domains it will make sense.

Yeah I'll get a few words wrong... too bad, that's how it is. I'm a crappy typist. Never claimed otherwise. And I'm an engineer... not an english major.

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its going to get really ugly. THere are that many people out there that are fed up with Bozo the Telepromter reading buffoon...who thanks to the actions of the democrats the last two years really have little left to lose......

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Hello again, Smoothy:

I believe you. You are a poster boy for the tea baggers, for FOX news, for Glenn Beck, for Sarah Palin, for the birthers and god knows who else. Although you say you're not one of them, if the sh*t hits the fan, you'd be on THEIR side, and not that of your country.

We've been split before and had to fight it out. I'm ready too.

excon

PS> Are you saying Tim McVeigh had it right?

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MOST polls show the MAJORITY...dislikes...actually HATES the crap Dumbo ears is trying to ram down our throats.....and if it continues....trust me....its going to get really ugly. THere are that many people out there that are fed up with Bozo the Telepromter reading buffoon...who thanks to the actions of the democrats the last two years really have little left to lose......

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You are a name-calling child who is often wrong:
The immediate effect of the past few days' events in Washington has been a gradual increase in President Barack Obama's job approval in the daily tracking surveys of the Gallup Poll.

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Hello again, Smoothy:

I believe you. You are a poster boy for the tea baggers, for FOX news, for Glenn Beck, for Sarah Palin, for the birthers and god knows who else. Although you say you're not one of them, if the sh*t hits the fan, you'd be on THEIR side, and not your county

Are you saying Tim McVeigh had it right? We've been split before and had to fight it out. I'm ready too.

excon

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No Tim McVeigh had a legitimate fight... but he took the wrong action without a doubt. You don't bring a gun to a debate and expect to walk away the winner. You may walk away... but it won't be as the winner.

It wasn't an appropriate action for him to have made given the circumstances. Had it been gove thugs coming to violate the 2nd amendment rights of americans by disarming the population illegally... I would think differently. THAT was most definitely NOT the case.

If it ever disolves to a shooting war (which I hope it doesn't)... then its everything goes. Not before then.


Incidentally... THEY are on the side of the constitution... which the Democraps view as an obstruction to their agenda... they need to actually read it sometime... its NOT a sugested guideline... It spells out what the Feds can and can not do really clearly, And our rights.


I will fight anyone who tries to take away the constitution and our rights... because THEY aren't real Americans. Doesn't matter where they were born.

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You are a name-calling child who is often wrong:
The immediate effect of the past few days' events in Washington has been a gradual increase in President Barack Obama's job approval in the daily tracking surveys of the Gallup Poll.

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Sorry... THe Democraps started it when they called me (not directly, but by association) names...

I bet you forgot so I provided a link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxXUufI3jA

Its in his own voice... not a transcript.

He tossed the first grenade... and I was never personally appologized to for his derogatory remarks... and since he is not a living God like the left believes... I am still waiting for his apology.

As far as I'm concerned.. we are stuck with him for another few years... unless we can impeach him and toss him in jail sooner.

This isn't North Korea... and he isn't the Dear Leader.

And quite honestly... given the succession of command, as long as Nancy Pelosi is Still speaker of the house... I'd rather Obama be in his position than she advance closer to it. So we really better hope he doesn't get caught doing something and impeached.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._of_succession

Heaven help us all if that lunatic ever gets closer to the presidency than she is now. Obama might be clueless... but she's brainless and far more dangerous if she was ever given the power.

Ever wonder why she can run upalmost $101Kin Booze bills just flying back and forth to California? Does she have a liver the size of a Volkswagen?

Link to the actual bills... http://action.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147491564

So you see as much as I hate him... we are better off with him then anyone who would succeed him if he left for any reason.

Talk about being between a rock and a hard place.

I see the bible has served you well, Jesus would be ashamed.

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Says you... I'm a protestant... I don't worship a man.


Incidentally as a protestant... I don't follow the Pope... nor do I plan to be a high level church official.

Exactly where in the Bible are you required to be a sucker to con men? I missed that part.


I'm comfortible answering to St Peter when my day comes for my actions here on earth. Are you?

Some would say if you believe in a religion you have already been suckered by con men.

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Incidentally... THEY are on the side of the constitution... which the Democraps view as an obstruction to their agenda... they need to actually read it sometime... its NOT a sugested guideline... It spells out what the Feds can and can not do really clearly, And our rights.

I will fight anyone who tries to take away the constitution and our rights... because THEY aren't real Americans. Doesn't matter where they were born.

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Hello again, smoothy:

This is a recent response I made to speechless.

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MY grasp of history?? Dude!

Let me see.. Under George W. Bush, the 5th Amendment to the Constitution went into the toilet. That's where you'd find habeas corpus that Bush took away. Then he massacred the 4th Amendment when he violated FISA, and gave the NSA permission to listen to ALL of our phone calls and read our emails.. Then he blasted the 1st Amendment when he created "free speech zones" whenever he was in town. He forgot that the entire country IS a free speech zone. Then he threw the 6th Amendment into the crapper when he endorsed secret trials. He destroyed the 8th Amendment when he said we should torture... I could go on...

Nope. All in all, I'd say YOU guy's did a pretty good job of destroying the Constitution and any freedom we had.

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I didn't hear you complaining about the Constitution then.

So, you got YOUR view of what the Constitution says, and I got MINE. They AIN'T the same.

Excon

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Hello again, smoothy:

This is a recent response I made to speechless.
I didn't hear you complaining about the Constitution then.

So, you got YOUR view of what the Constitution says, and I got MINE. They AIN'T the same.

excon

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And any of that has improved under Obama how?


And the Constitution ISN'T optional guidelines. Its written in plain English... Unlike the tax codes.

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True...



Look at it this way... If I'm right... I'm set. If I picked the wrong religion, well that's how it goes, If your right... we'll never know because it just ends with your final breath.

Neither of us are embarking on some fool Jihad...

And no... I don't believe on knocking on doors pestering people like the Jehovah Witnesses either.

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True...



Look at it this way......If I'm right...I'm set. If I picked the wrong religion, well thats how it goes, If your right....we'll never know because it just ends with your final breath.

Neither of us are embarking on some fool Jihad....

and no....I don't believe on knocking on doors pestering people like the Jehovah Witnesses either.

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Oh I didn't think you did knock on peoples doors or trying to start a Jihad. And I am fine with everything ending on my final breath.

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And any of that has improved under Obama how?

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Hello again, smoothy:

Not much.. But, that only proves he's more right wing than left.

excon