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LOL spit, I love it when people accuse the GOP of fear-mongering. Just what the heck have Dems been doing? By the way, I don't put any stock in Dem or GOP polls and view the major polls with a skeptical eye as well. But, they don't look good for Obama or Obamacare right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
Dude, the RNC sent this out.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Uh, yeah, NK. That's what he was talking about. Please try to keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Dude, what part of I don't put any stock in Dem or GOP polls do you not understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Well that's an easy way to sweep everything under the rug isn't it. Unfortunately I don't believe all the recipients of the mailer feel that way.
Spit . Would love to see a link to that image posted.
If that is truly a GOP mailer I will send them a response.
Certainly no one here has used that as a part of their argument.
It was an email forward to me. I'll see if I can track down a link for you Tom.
You're just never satisfied are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
What's funny still is you guys act as if the RNC is the only who EVER uses such devices. From your own link, NK:
It was a stupid and leading question and that is why I don't give any credence to such "surveys" from anyone, left, right or otherwise. But it's certainly no shock that it happens... what would be a shock is for someone in the media to actually pay attention to what the DNC has been doing.Quote:
It's standard practice to use such faux "surveys" to raise money for a variety of causes, said Portland pollster Mike Riley. "It's common, trying to stir the pot to see what kinds of issues get attention."
"Both parties do that," Riley said. "They are using some of the hot-button issues to see what activates the voters. It's politics as usual within the party faithful. No one that I know puts any credibility in these types of polls."
Riley recalled a recent fundraising "survey" sponsored by Democrats that attempted to link issues of child safety and gun ownership. One question asked whether it is important to keep children safe and to keep them away from guns. The implication, he said, was "that guns shouldn't be in homes where children are present."
A tip-off that a survey really is a fundraising tract, Riley said, is when questions cover more than one issue. "It's called a double-barreled question" and would not be used by a professional pollster, he said.
Portland pollster Bob Moore agreed.
"It's a fundraising appeal, is what it is," he said. "Everyone does it — Democrats, anti-tax groups, environmentalists. The audience that receives it has given to that organization at some point in time and is on the list to receive solicitations."
If such tactics "weren't effective, they wouldn't be using them," Moore said.
I like where the RNC rep said it was inartfully worded. Is inartfully even a real word?
"Inartful" has become a politically popular word. Tom DeLay used it in the Schiavo case and Obama has used it a few times.
Obama Camp Disavows Last Year's 'Inartful' Statement on D.C. Gun Law
Obama calls Clark's remarks 'inartful'
Obama Dismisses Inartful FISA Statements
I think the RNC rep was taking a dig at Obama...
I just looked it up it was in the 1913 Webster Dictionary but was removed because it is very uncommon. Lawyers and Philosophers use it.
Bak to the OP.
Earl is merely expressing the prevailing attitude of the dumb masses blindly following their Marxist leaders.
That attitude is briefly translated: "Sit down, and SHUT UP.
Does the RNC even have a leader? Or is it Jesus?
It's Rush Limbaugh, didn't you know? Or so Dizzy Dean and the Leftist crowd would have us believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Actually, at this point, I would argue that the Republicans are much better organized than the Dems at this moment. That's what's pissing off the Obamanites and why they are accusing the right of "astroturfing".
It's just that the organization is coming from the bottom up (tea parties, town hall meetings, even talk radio) rather than from the top down (party leaders). The Obama "machine" can't counter that right now.
Call it a bottom-up sort of organization. Our leaders are being found in the streets, not in the offices of DC politicians. (Perhaps that's why Palin is striking such a cchord with so many people... they see her as part of that bottom-up leadership, as opposed to McCain, who represents top-down leadership.
From a political-science perspective, it's really interesting to watch. I can't remember anything like it in my lifetime. It is different from even when the Reagan Revolution got started.
Any comments?
Elliot
Yea, it's more like corporatism. The corporations who are worried about their profits are the organizers and funders. And that leads to:Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
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Franklin D. Roosevelt in an April 29, 1938 message to Congress warned that the growth of private power could lead to fascism:
The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism—ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.
Elliot ; excellent comment ;one deserving it's own posting . In the Harvard Business Publication , Umair Haque argues that the left is losing the public policy debate because the right has adopted “5th generation warfare”.He says that the leaderlessness is a strength because it means that every group of conservative protesters can initiate and plan its own actions within the context of a shared narrative.
Ten Rules for 5G Warfare - Umair Haque - HarvardBusiness.org
What he really means is that the left's methods, tried and true, relying on controlling the dialoge with the MSM and decapitation strikes on the right's leadership cannot be used when there is alternatives to the MSM narrative ;and the opposition is leaderless at the time. That explains their efforts for naming leaders for the right. They identify Palin ,or Limbaugh as the leader so they have a name to attack and demonize.
He proposes 10 ideas to counter this which I won't get into in detail because some of them ;like "Meta-Attack" are stupid (you have to attack not with “facts”, but with meta-information about how to value facts) .
What NK and others don't understand is that the same bottom up revolt being waged against the Obots is also being waged by the base against the Republican party. When the dust settles a leader from the base will emerge.
Getting back to Palin (and I don't care if she ever is a national candidate again) ;what she says in the national debate about health care speaks the same language as the plumber ,and the "rubes " of the country ,and they understand issues of life and death at least as well as ,if not better, than Harvard educated eggheads like Zeke Emanuel and Hague . By losing the tag of 'elected leader ,Palin liberated herself to speak the language the people understand.
No... I was talking about you!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I agree. I am beyond tiered of Sarah Palin ramming her mouth every second. I prefer well-educated and intelligent women in power to speak, and she is definitely not in that category. I just hope people really do not support her if she does decide to run for president in the future... bad choiceQuote:
Originally Posted by earl237
Don't worry about her she will soon be on the scrap heap of history along with all those who tried and failed, they don't often get a second chanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Golden_Girl
Ramming her mouth every second? Do you somehow have her confused with the Bloviator-in-chief?
Hello again,
I repeat. If the Dems don't get the public option in health care, Sarah Palin will WIN the presidency in 2012.
Then we'll really be able to keep our eyes on Russia.
excon
I really don't think that Obamacare is going to be the deciding factor on Palin. There's a whole lot of other stuff that affects Palin's presidential ambissions.
I know that Palin is unpopular and that you would like to link her unpopularity with Obamacare in order to boost Obamacare's popularity. But frankly, that tactic isn't working for the DNC, and I don't think it's going to work for you either.
Elliot
This attack on Palin is pure Alinskyesque . They have successfully used that ploy with the compliant press to demean Conservative for at least the last 30 years. Reagan , Quayle ,President Bush and now Palin have all been smeared with the too stupid label .
Tom,
I have revised my view - Sarah Palin represents the best that the Republicans have to offer. Go Sarah!
This from the person with an Avatar of the Swedish Chef.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Ha Ha, Great line ETWolverine, I think his avatar is actually beaker. I fondly remember the old Muppet Show.
Yeah, I know it's Beaker. But NK hates it when I call it the Swedish Chef.Quote:
Originally Posted by earl237
Elliot
And obviously, Obama is the best the Democrats have to offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
GO SARAH!
Nah, call it what you like. I know you like baiting people into anger. Life's too short plus I got happy kids to deal with. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Meep-meep!
That is true. Personally, I think the best way to help clear the air is to avoid the media at any cost until the media pretty much forgets about you and targets someone else. That's what I would have done any way..Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I don't think it's going to be any time soon, she's reportedly already received over 1070 invitations. The first one she has accepted is in Hong Kong to address the CLSA Investors Forum.
How many of you expected that?Quote:
"Our keynote speakers are notable luminaries who often address topics that go beyond traditional finance such as geopolitics," company spokeswoman Simone Wheeler said in a statement.
"We just felt it would be a fabulous opportunity for CLSA clients to hear from Mrs. Palin," Wheeler said, adding that CLSA approached Palin with the offer.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
(meekly raises hand)
excon
Hope she uses a teleprompter.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Too funny :DQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
I see that they accept only a select few <snicker>:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
CLSA | CLSA Asia Investors' Forum 2009 | 9 - 11 Feb 2009
No Sarah Palin yet on that short list.Quote:
CLSA Asia Investors' Forum 2009 Invited Presenter
[N/A] Martin Bellamy
Bangkok Bank Public Co. Ltd. Kulathida Sivayathorn
Bangkok Bank Public Co. Ltd. Piyapan Tayanithi
Boeing Commercial Airplanes Drew Magill
Boeing Commercial Airplanes Rob Young
BP Capital Management T. Boone Pickens
Bright Automotive Michael Brylawski
Bursa Malaysia Berhad Dato' Yusli Mohamed Yusoff
C C Land Holdings Limited Peter H. M. Lam
C C Land Holdings Limited Eva Y. W. Chan
Cairn India Limited Ananthakrishnan Balakrishnan
Cairn India Limited Anurag Mantri
Caterpillar Inc. Richard Lavin
Caterpillar Inc. Michael DeWalt
China Academy of Telecom Research, MIIT Lina Shi
China Academy of Telecom Research, MIIT Xia He
Chrysalix Energy Michael Brown
CLSA - China David Murphy
CLSA - China Andy Rothman
CLSA - Hong Kong Christopher Wood
CLSA - Hong Kong Eric Fishwick
CLSA - Hong Kong Paul McKenzie
CLSA - Hong Kong Andrew Driscoll
CLSA - Hong Kong Francis Cheung
CLSA - Hong Kong Nicole Wong
CLSA - India N Krishnan
CLSA - Indonesia Nicholas Cashmore
CLSA - Malaysia Clare Chin
CLSA - Singapore Geoff Boyd
CLSA - Singapore Neel Sinha
CLSA - Thailand Daniel Tabbush
CLSA - Thailand Andrew Stotz
College of William & Mary Scott Nelson
Continental Airlines Gerry Laderman
Daewoo International Jhoon-Soo Jho
Delta Air Lines Inc Hank Halter
DLF Limited Anurag Kalra
DRAMeXchange Technology Inc. Joyce Yang, Ya-Hsin
Earth Policy Institute Lester Brown
EDUCOMP Solutions Ltd Shantanu Prakash
Electricity Generating Public Co Ltd Vinit Tangnoi
Electricity Generating Public Co Ltd Sakda Sreesangkom
General Electric Trevor Schauenberg
General Electric John G. Rice
Giant Manufacturing Co Ltd Andy Huang
Global Sources Merle Hinrichs
Global Unichip Corp. K C Shih
GMR Group Ashutosh Agarwala
Golden Eagle Roger Wang
Gordon Ramsay Holdings Gordon Ramsay
Guangzhou R&F Properties Co. Ltd. Adrian Chan
Gung Ho Ventures John O'Loghlen
Hokenson & Company Richard Hokenson
Housing Development & Infrastructure Ltd Hari Prakash Pandey
Housing Development Finance Corp Ltd Deepak Parekh
Housing Development Finance Corp Ltd Keki Mistry
Infosys Technologies Ltd S D Shibulal
Infosys Technologies Ltd Sandeep Mahindroo
Infosys Technologies Ltd Prasad Thrikutam
INSEAD Anil Gaba
Intelligence Automotive Asia Ashvin Chotai
Johns Hopkins University Pieter Bottelier
KT Freetel Wha-Joon Cho
LDK Solar Co. Ltd. Jack Lai
Leopard Capital Douglas Clayton
Macquarie Korea Infrastructure Fund Chul-Hum Paik
Malaysian Resources Corporation Berhad Shahril Ridza Ridzuan
Manila Water Company, Inc Glo de Castro
MasterCard International Worldwide Walt Macnee
Minor International PCL William E. Heinecke
Minor International PCL Prapharat Tangkawatana
NTPC A K Singhal
Peabody Energy Corp Vic Svec
Peabody Energy Corp Michael Crews
Philippine Long Distance Telephone Co Anabelle Lim-Chua
Philippine Long Distance Telephone Co Napoleon Nazareno
PT Bakrie Sumatera Plantations Ambono Janurianto
PT Bakrie Sumatera Plantations Howard James Sargeant
PT Bumi Resources Tbk Dileep Srivastava
PT Bumi Resources Tbk Kenneth P Farrell
PT Semen Gresik (Persero) Tbk. Dwi Soetjipto
PTT Exploration and Production Plc. Chatchawal Eimsiri
PTT Exploration and Production Plc. Maroot Mrigadat
RCG Holdings Limited Sri Hartati Kurniawan
RCG Holdings Limited K C Chong
REXLot Holdings Limited Victor Chan
REXLot Holdings Limited Leslie Fung
Samsung Heavy Industries Min-Hae Do
Shinsei Bank, Limited Rahul Gupta
Shriram Transport Finance Company Limited R. Sridhar
Shriram Transport Finance Company Limited Umesh Revankar
SIAM COMMERCIAL BANK BANGKOK Kannikar Chalitaporn
SIAM COMMERCIAL BANK BANGKOK Deepak Sarup
Singapore Exchange John Gollifer
Sintex Industries Ltd Amit Patel
Sintex Industries Ltd Rajiv Naidu
Tata Consultancy Services Limited. S. Mahalingam
Thai Beverage Public Co., Ltd Richard Jones
The Word Doctors LLC Frank Luntz
Tulip Telecom Ltd Lt Col Hardeep Singh Bedi
UB Group Ravi Nedungadi
UCLA Anderson Walter Torous
VISA Inc Joseph Saunders
Wipro Limited Girish Paranjpe
Wipro Limited Rajendra Kumar Shreemal
World Steel Dynamics Peter F. Marcus
Yale University Robert Shiller
YUM! Brands Tim Jerzyk
YUM! Brands Graham Allan
I love Obama... and I'm not a Democrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
More like... GO AWAY SARAH! HURRAY... lol :p
Lol... good one NeedKarma. I don't see her on that short list either.
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