Ask Me Help Desk - Are liberals really this nutty? Already?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Seems to me that the bipartisan reaction to the President's overall performance to date ;including the Geithner poor performance is generally negative.

It's funny, but I seem to recall an awful lot of howling about the public's disenchantment with the Iraq war and Bush himself as being a reason we should submit to the majority opinion. Yet under Obama the public's opinion doesn't matter. The winds sure shift suddenly.

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According to Kurtz ,the markets, nor the Left or Right like it. But we are apparently not permitted to voice our concerns. We should shut up because he "won" .
I don't think so.

Everybody is in favour of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people’s idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage. -Winston Churchill

Oh darn, Retail sales rebounded unexpectedly in January.

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"The January report shows strong increases in sales of automobiles and in general merchandise stores... January's increase in retail sales was the biggest since November 2007.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast January retail sales to fall by 0.8 percent. Excluding motor vehicles, sales had been predicted to drop by 0.5 percent."

Let the spin begin...

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Let the spin begin...

Hello Steve:

M, kay.

Obama didn't even sign the bill yet, and it's working... He's amazing...

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Steve:

M, kay.

Obama didnt even sign the bill yet, and it's working... He's amazing...

That was good, lol. The shame is I'm sure some will actually believe that :D

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Steve:

M, kay.

Obama didnt even sign the bill yet, and it's working... He's amazing...

excon

Yet, within five minutes of the opening bell the stock market has dropped over 150 points today! YUP! Sure is a lot of confidence that the pork bill will do anything other than prolong the recession, likely make it deeper, and grow government bigger than it already is

Maybe Too Little, Always Too Late

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By BRUCE BARTLETT
Published: January 23, 2008

The history of anti-recession efforts is that they are almost always initiated too late to do any good. This chart, based on recession timelines from the National Bureau of Economic Research, shows the enactment of stimulus plans is a fairly accurate indicator that we have hit the bottom of the business cycle, meaning the economy will improve even if the government does nothing. — Bruce Bartlett, author of “Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy.”

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But as Rahmbo says, you can't waste a good crisis.

Down more ? I have to admit ;these buying opportunities are becoming tempting.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

down more ? I have to admit ;these buying opportunities are becoming tempting.

And with that extra $13 think of all you can buy.

Roflmao

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Originally Posted by TexasParent

Sadly, it seems that the same people who's positions don't change keep arguing over and over again. At times I wonder why I spend my energy here (and I expend much less than most in the political topics).

For myself, it's an extra of vacation day, and it's relatively cheap.

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Originally Posted by TexasParent

I would like to say, in the narrow window of my time at this site I have found that Speech is one of the few who can actually articulate, understand and even empathize with his opponents position while arguing what he thinks is right. As for the parroting, we all do it to some degree as our respective media information sources fill the dead space between the facts with opinion that we aren't always immune from.

TP, nothing personal, but while I agree with you in part, I'm just not as easily amused.

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Originally Posted by TexasParent

I would like to say though that I finally get how disappointed and upset Bush supporters have been over the attacks on him; whether they were deserved or not, and I have been a harsh Bush critic. Now that my candidate is President, it's not easy to see him attacked by his opponents. I suppose some of the K'vetching on the part of the now loyal opposition is in part payback for the rough ride Bush had.

Yes! They are in their own little world of partisan politics. People in the unemployment just want work. People at the soup kitchen just want to eat. As a registered Independent I can be the harshest critic of Obama, and I voted for him. However he just got into office three weeks ago with a huge catastrophe to sort through.

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Originally Posted by TexasParent

Anyway, most people need a place to get their thoughts out; what good are they doing if they are kept bottled up in your head...:D (I think we all hope that with enough talk we will change some minds; maybe not today or tomorrow, but someday; in part to affirm ourselves and to be able to say I told you so to one more person. The ego, such a greedy little bugger....lol.

Bullseye! If this site starts awarding checks based on egos they'll need government assistance, a bailout plan, or go broke.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

The world has definitely been turned upside down when opposing nonsense from either party is partisan and biased. It's especially interesting to see ardent Bush, McCain and "anyone who may have voted for them" bashers complain of the "k'vetching" around here. But if it all bores you then no one is asking you to stick around, we'll do just fine in keeping up the tradition of holding the powers that be accountable without you.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I never claimed to be an economist, why the heck should I offer the solution?

Because otherwise you have no tangible credibility. And BTW accountability starts with ones own person. Personally I find it difficult to be highly critical of a situation, or decision, if in return I don't offer an alternative solution. We (the public) wouldn't even do that with our on children.

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Yes! They are in their own little world of partisan politics. People in the unemployment just want work. People at the soup kitchen just want to eat. As a registered Independent I can be the harshest critic of Obama, and I voted for him. However he just got into office three weeks ago with a huge catastrophe to sort through.

LOL, you crack me up Bobby. It's as if we should just chuck our beliefs aside and accept that partisanship is OK as long as it's tilted your direction.

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Bullseye! If this site starts awarding checks based on egos they'll need government assistance, a bailout plan, or go broke.

Expecting the first check are you?

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Because otherwise you have no tangible credibility.

I see, even though I'm not an expert in economics my putting forth a solution will give me "tangible credibility." The fact that your plumber knows how to use a snake gives him enough "tangible credibility" to perform your colonoscopy, too. It's odd that in your world refraining from offering a solution to things one is not an expert in means a loss of credibility. Most people see that as a virtue.

I have no doubt if I did offer a solution you'd howl about my not being an expert, so in your mind you win either way. I'll ask management here to get another check ready for you.

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And BTW accountability starts with ones own person. Personally I find it difficult to be highly critical of a situation, or decision, if in return I don't offer an alternative solution. We (the public) wouldn't even do that with our on children.

Good for you. I don't find it difficult at all to have and express an opinion on a current events board. I'll take full responsibility for every one of them, good, bad or anywhere in between. Now that's accountability.

How about a little perspective from the experts:

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

How about a little perspective from the experts:

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I see, even though I'm not an expert in economics my putting forth a solution will give me "tangible credibility." The fact that your plumber knows how to use a snake gives him enough "tangible credibility" to perform your colonoscopy, too. It's odd that in your world refraining from offering a solution to things one is not an expert in means a loss of credibility. Most people see that as a virtue.

I have no doubt if I did offer a solution you'd howl about my not being an expert, so in your mind you win either way. I'll ask management here to get another check ready for you.

Good for you. I don't find it difficult at all to have and express an opinion on a current events board. I'll take full responsibility for every one of them, good, bad or anywhere in between. Now that's accountability.

Stevie-

For one, you confused virtue for ignorance. As for the rest, that was a premature mess of non correlated gibberish mixed with poor excuses.

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Stevie-

For one, you confused virtue for ignorance. As for the rest, that was a premature mess of non correlated gibberish mixed with poor excuses.

Bobby, you really should stop listening to those voices inside your head.

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Originally Posted by George_1950

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It wasn’t meant to be accessible, George, it’s rather self-explanatory.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Bobby, you really should stop listening to those voices inside your head.

That's your religion, not mine.

I think the OP points out a truth; that is, the Left will never be happy until ALL voices of opposition are silenced. This is the approach of totalitarian governments, and we should be very afraid of that.
Not being an expert, I am forced to rely on my own observations for my own opinions.
Right now, I'm wavering between two opinions about Obama.
He is either evil with a definite totalatarilan agenda or he is a dangerous buffoon.
I kind of lean toward the latter though.
Hey, don't unload on me here. My opinion is just as valid as yours is.

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

That's your religion, not mine.

Wow, attacking my religion now. I bet you consider that a virtue.

After reading all this , the only thing that comes to mind is 3rd grade bullies on the playground. Titt for Tatt

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Originally Posted by cozyk

After reading all this , the only thing that comes to mind is 3rd grade bullies on the playground. Titt for Tatt

Yeah, but it isn't nearly as juvenile as Congress' behavior.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Wow, attacking my religion now. I bet you consider that a virtue.

It factually came from the Christians New Testament.

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

It factually came from the Christians New Testament.

You'll have to be more specific. You mean something like in Joel, "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions"?

Or say in Numbers, "And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream"?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Yeah, but it isn't nearly as juvenile as Congress' behavior.

I beg to differ

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

You'll have to be more specific. You mean something like in Joel, "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions"?

Or say in Numbers, "And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream"?

Those two stories from the Tanakh had nothing to do with schizophrenic / paranoia / demonology. The story of "Legion" is from your New Testament books; Mark and Luke. You didn't know that??

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

Those two stories from the Tanakh had nothing to do with schizophrenic / paranoia / demonology. The story of "Legion" is from your New Testament books; Mark and Luke. You didn't know that???

I see, you mean like the evil spirit or madness that troubled Saul.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I see, you mean like the evil spirit or madness that troubled Saul.

No. That was one spirit, not "voices." Voices as your referred to is plural. Lucky for you my vacation ends today. The lady earlier mentioned bullying earlier and I can see why she said such. Give it a rest, Stevie.

"Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) predicted on Thursday that none of his Senate colleagues would "have the chance" to read the entire final version of the $790-billion stimulus bill before the bill comes up for a final vote in Congress." CNSNews.com - Democratic Senator Predicts None of His Colleagues 'Will Have the Chance' to Read Final Stimulus Bill Before Vote

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Originally Posted by BABRAM

No. That was one spirit, not "voices." Voices as your referred to is plural. Lucky for you my vacation ends today. The lady earlier mentioned bullying earlier and I can see why she said such. Give it a rest, Stevie.

LOL, so claiming that mental illness is a phenomenon whose origins are in Christianity isn't bullying. It's a shame Bobby, I'm certain she was talking to you, too.

George betch you Lousyberg still votes for it.

You're insecure. Give it rest, Stevie.

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Originally Posted by cozyk

After reading all this , the only thing that comes to mind is 3rd grade bullies on the playground. Titt for Tatt

My view is that 'politics' is, actually, 'civil' warfare, the arena where ideas become law. Politics is entertaining and consequential, and we should strive to maintain levity and a sense of humor. Dems want Pubs to fail, and vice versa. It doesn't mean we should restrain our search for truth and justice.
Check this: "What Judd Gregg showed today is that he's not willing to swap his integrity for a place in the Cabinet. When the administration insisted on gutting Commerce Department supervision of the Census and putting it under direct White House political control, it stung Gregg. And when the administration set aside its own principles of "temporary, targeted and timely" stimulus measures to embrace a big spending measure full of programs that Gregg has opposed since coming to Congress, New Hampshire's senior senator realized that he was window dressing and that the administration had a greater interest in grabbing his Senate seat in 2010 than in listening to his counsel today." washingtonpost.com I find this entertaining, for the most part.