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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Our Government deserves it. Most of the people in our country deserve to be made fun of. Hell most school kids can't point out America on a map. Look the facts are when Britney Spears is "headline news" on CNN don't you think the rest of the world deserves to laugh at us because most American's care more about her then REAL NEWS!!!!!

Then you have these crazy people who watch TV just to call the FCC and Complain because NYPD Blues showed someone's Bare Butt on TV. When really they could be doing something IMPORTANT with their time instead of trying to make TV "safe".

The world has a right to laugh at us and we have no right to complain until we get our act together.

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The world has a right to do as it pleases. Absolutey and I hope that everyone understands that it is not that I wanted the "sound" muffled, I wanted to stand up and say clearly...


I as an American, find the continual negative comments, that are voiced to hurt not to help (there is a difference), in the presence of Americans, to be disrespectful.

I am not asking anyone to stop expressing themselves, I just wanted to raise my hand and say... "ouch". Sometimes the comments can be so smoothering, as my instant and natural reaction is usually not very eloquent and it is not normally how I converse.

I also was truly reaching for understanding because I want so very much to understand. I don't want to hold negative in my heart and I do when I hear or see such comments made with such annimosity.

The wonderful thing, and I thank all of you so much, is that I did gain some understanding as a possible motivator. Why?? Why would non-Americans experss with such disdain?
But as some of you pointed out, a lot is how we are portrayed in their homeland. Not that, that is a valid reason to be disrespectful without regard, but it does help enlighten a bit.

I hope, and I mean this sincerely, that I have not upset one single person here. It was not my intent.

I can only hope for respect, but I surely would never demand it.

I think there is a distinct difference between bashing a country and questioning its policies. Captain rich has accused me before of bashing america when I have done anything but. Yes, I question its policies on matters I disagree with. Is that bashing? Elliot and I have had some great debates on gun control. I see it as a problem in America. I question it. Is that bashing. Some say yes. I say they are too thin skinned.
I have a lot of problems with the government of Australia and I question it. That isn't bashing. Im the proudest Australian there is.
I've had Mag question the way we treat our indigenous people. He's right, but he isn't bashing.

I think we can all tell the difference between bashing and questioning, and if you can't then your probably not worth having a discussion with anyway (and I certainly don't mean you Allheart, you know that).

I don't think there is a prouder American on this site than Excon. And the reason I believe that is because he is constantly wanting America to be better. He wants to move forward. The rest of the guys here are very proud too and I love reading every thread, but they are just content with what they got now :) where a lot of others aren't.

Plus the bashers are easy to expose for the fools they are. They often have no intelligent argument or case and generally struggle with the english language. If you see one take the pleasure in exposing them for the idiot they more than likely are.

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I think there is a distinct difference between bashing a country and questioning its policies. Captain rich has accused me before of bashing america when i have done anything but. Yes, i question its policies on matters i disagree with. Is that bashing? Elliot and I have had some great debates on gun control. I see it as a problem in America. I question it. Is that bashing. Some say yes. I have a lot of problems with the government of Australia and i question it. That isnt bashing.Im the proudest Australian there is.
I've had Mag question the way we treat our indigenous people. He's right, but he aint bashing.

I think we can all tell the difference between bashing and questioning, and if you can't then your probably not worth having a discussion with anyway (and i certainly dont mean you Allheart, you know that).

I dont think there is a prouder American on this site than Excon. And the reason i believe that is because he is constantly wanting America to be better. He wants to move forward. The rest of the guys here are very proud too and i love reading each and every thread, but they are just content with what they got now :) where a lot of others aren't.

Plus the bashers are easy to expose for thew fools they are. The often have no intelligent argument or case and generally struggle with the english language. If you see one take the pleasure in exposing them for the idiot they more than likely are.

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Hi Skell :) Miss you tons. Hope things are going well for you :)

I think I used the wrong word "bashing". Perhaps exposing our areas of concern with glee and motivation to hurt not gain understanding or promote growth. That's more what I was referring to.

Oh Skell I welcoming questioning. I ask questions all the time about different cultures and practices because I am so intriqued.

There is a huge difference in questioning policies and some of the comments meant to harm. Taking pleasure in exposing.. yes, that does sum it up.

Skell, I hope you understand what I am saying. I know you do.

I agree with you about Excon... he does love our country and wants better. I do as well, and I am sure all Americans do.

Voicing concerns is healthy and perhaps the only way to expose in order to repair. I guess it's all in the manner in which it is done.

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Originally Posted by CaptainRich

Allheart, you do not stand alone.

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Thank you Captain Rich!

I do know that now and perhaps I always did. I am so glad I did speak and feel stronger in my convictions as each day passess.

It makes me proud.

There is nothing wrong in standing up for something you believe in and something you love.

I would speak all over again and I thank you and all who do stand with me and I even thank those who disagree with me.

May God bless America, watch over us and watch over all people in this world. May we all learn one day to want what is best for each other and work together towards making each day better. May we be able to see the good in each other and regret and learn from the negative. May be a pipe dream, but sometimes dreams do come true and it can't possibly be wrong to dream.

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Well let's look at that. I know you believe it's an incumbent position (which it isn't) but let's play "what if". What if the wealthiest (not so much actually) and strongest nation decided to not get involved in fighting terrorism abroad? Let them fight it out. No meddling in the Middle East, etc. Instead that country focused on making its own populace happy. What would happen then?

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So is it the governments duty to make its populace happy?

You know that is impossible.

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Originally Posted by jillianleab

I also think a lot of the negative comments and degrading of America and Americans has to do with stereotypes. We're described as "stupid" "fat" "lazy" "loud", and someone from a foreign nation will have a few encounters with someone who fits that mold, and it will reinforce their belief we are all like that. Don't get me wrong, Americans do it too, and it's not right coming from either side. I try not to put too much stock in people who's comments are based upon stereotypes; I think that helps in not getting worked up or upset about negative comments.

But to inject myself in the conversation DC and spitvenom are having.... America can't win regarding being the "world police". Either we do too much, or too little. We're always in the wrong place and never in the right place. And I've found often the people who complain about this are the ones who want it both ways. I've mentioned this story before, but I used to work with several South Africans who were living in the US. They would complain and complain about the war in Iraq and how "America needs to mind it's own business" and that we "have no right or reason to be there"... Then they would complain America didn't step in during the Rwanda genocide. Or Sudan. Or anywhere else in the world where something was going wrong. We can't win.

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We can't win, if critics haven't seen the whole reality.
I wish it was within my power to retract all of the good American has done! And don't let anybody take this the wrong way, There's been plenty! No, America can't stop hurricanes from hitting places like Honduras, or the Yucatan. Or any other of the many crisis' we've helped in. And there has been plenty!
Heck, I'd like to be able to retract the bad, too. There just isn't as much of it.
Concentrate on the rhetoric you find in the headlines now. Again that shows just how narrow your focus is.
America has broad shoulders. Has had for along time now. I'd like to see any other country, any other entity, put forth the same track record. It can't be done.

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Hi Simoneauge,

I do undertand what your are saying. But I find it rude and incredibly unbecoming behaviour for someone not from America to speak so negatively about Americans, openly to Americans. Is that not rude, immature and uncivilized. I am not comparing cultures.

I had many interactions with Internationals, on our soil, and I was sure to know all about their culture, to ensure that I was showing the highest form of respect. That is all I am asking in return.

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Respect is earned, it is not a God given right. I'm from Canada and have been to the states a few times in my lifetime. I have been made to feel like a dolt because of the way I pronounce certain words, I have been asked if I live in an Igloo, I have been treated rudely when they find out I'm not American. Now I'm sure that not all Americans are like that, and not all of my interactions with Americans have been negative but more than half have been. When I was in germany (which is were I was born and am still a citizen even though I've lived in Canada for 33 years) we visited the town I was born in which is a very famous tourist town. I speak fluent German, my husband does not, we were treated equally. Also while there I saw time and time again Americans being rude to store owners and expecting special treatment "I'm from the United States the best country in the world, you should be thrilled that I am spending my money in your store, show some respect." and yes, that is a direct quote. The store owners are polite and try their best to make them happy because the majority of people who come to their town are Americans, I have also been told by those same store owners that the majority of Americans coming to their store think that they should be treated like royalty because of were they live. Many times while voicing my views on this site I've felt it necessary to state that I am from Canada (I do this because the laws are different here as are other things that might change the way you view my advice) I feel nervous every time I do this because I don't know if the response will be negative or positive. The majority of people that read my posts have been very nice and do not have an issue with were I live but there are one or two that do. In short, you teach people how to treat you, I'm not saying that you should be ashamed to be American, you live in a wonderful country, so do, but we all have a right to our opinions and the freedom and right to voice them. And you are correct, you don't have to read anything that you find offensive. You don't have to agree with anyone on this site, in fact that's largely what this site is all about, and knowone has to agree with you and your views either. That's what living in a free country is all about. God bless, and take care.

Hi Altenweg,

I am so very sorry that half of your interactions with Americans have been negative. I truly am.

Please, I am trying so hard to have myself understood. I am not saying people should not say negative things about Americans. I am not trying to take away non-American voices..
I would embrace a dialogue, very similar to your post. You held up a mirror to some of us, and I cringed. I believe in your heart you meant no animosity. You were sincerely sharing your experiences. THAT type of conversation I welcome. It's rationale and fair minded.

What I am saying, is that, when it is done with malace, openly, knowing Americans will read, I consider that to be very poor taste and it is a reflection on the author not Americans. But too many times we let the comments go by, truthfully because some Americans really don't care what non-Americans think. The reason I spoke up, was just to call attention to the negative comments continuosly made with malace, and say, you know, your not looking very pretty and your comments are found to be rude. But by no means am I saying stop making them. I also have to say, that I honestly don't think those that make such comments time after time after time, realized that yes, they do come off as inapprorpriate.

The best way I can make an association, and I hope I don't offend anyone, I am just trying to be understood...

When the African American community utilizes the "N' word amongst themselves, that community generally does not find it offensive. When other then someone from the African American communtiy utilizes the "N" word, it offends African Americans and rightly so.

So, bringing it to this discussion, to me personally, when an American openly discusses problems within our country, I say Amen and let's try and fix them, when a Non-American expresses negatives about my country, to be spiteful, I as an American find it in poor taste and rightly so.

Please, I am not saying don't make any comment you feel necessary, I am just holding a mirror to those making the negative comments with annimosity and asking them to take a peak.

That is all I am trying to say.

Alten, so very nice to "meet" you. I know you don't live in an igloo :), don't ever be nervous to say you are from Canada, you live in a wonderful and beautiful country.

100% of my interactions with Canadians have been positive, hopefully you will interact with more Americans that bring a smile to your face :)

God Bless you too :)

I see America now as the worst bacteria the planet earth has ever had to endure. The majority of voters have decided what they want and to bury their heads in the sand and almost cast their votes through CNN. Bashing America is something I do often, bashing the dealings Canada does with America is something I do more often. Some people have this massive pride in their countries and can not stand to see negative things being said about their native lands. Where is this pride when it comes to doing what's right? Taking a stand? I always get " I'm just one man" I use the same excuse myself... I am just one man, and I love to go online and B1TCH. I watch documentary after documentary, I read and explore... It always comes down to America did something really terrible, its always proven... And no one ever gets Bleep for it. America used to be a lot different with presidents like Carter and Hoover, since Regan its been $@ any cost.

[QUOTE=Allheart] 100% of my interactions with Canadians have been positive, QUOTE]

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:eek: Make that 99.9%
Actually, I am just kidding :D - A comment such as the above, aren't the type that phase me. Just found it interesting.

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100% of my interactions with Canadians have been positive, QUOTE]

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:eek: Make that 99.9%
Actually, I am just kidding :D - A comment such as the above, aren't the type that phase me. Just found it interesting.

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LOL... I wasn't trying to phase you. Just my yearly vent... I liked your % :D line! Funny

AllHeart- Thank you for your kind words, they meant allot to me, I'm also glad that you know that I don't live in an igloo:p (it's too darn cold right now to build one:D ) you would however be surprised about the number of Americans who have that belief. Thank god it's not true, I'm allergic to seal fur. I actually live in the suburbs in a very nice neighborhood, I have a wonderful husband and, in my opinion, the two most wonderful kids in the world (doesn't every parent have the most wonderful kids in the world?) Even though I have had some disturbing interactions with Americans, the warm welcome and kind words from you make up for allot of it, too bad I've never met you in my travels, maybe my opinions would have been different. I do understand what you are saying and I agree, knowone has a right to bash someone until they've walked a mile in their shoes, you, as an American, know better what is going on in your country then I do, as do I about Canada. It's not good to rock the boat, especially if you're in it. I hope to "run" into you more often on this site, you seem like a delightful person and are very eloquent about your views, you also have a wonderful sense of humor. God bless.

I believe Canada has sent us their dirty laundry long enough. Instead of Reagan starting the decline of the United States, I believe it started when these three were allowed in. We should have stopped it after Lorne Green. Now he was a great American.

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Better learn to get along.

Amero, Debut of the amero

Thank you so much for taking KD Lang, and Celine Dion, Pam Anderson too!

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AllHeart- Thank you for your kind words, they meant allot to me, I'm also glad that you know that I don't live in an igloo:p (it's too darn cold right now to build one:D ) you would however be surprised about the number of Americans who have that belief. Thank god it's not true, I'm allergic to seal fur. I actually live in the suburbs in a very nice neighborhood, I have a wonderful husband and, in my opinion, the two most wonderful kids in the world (doesn't every parent have the most wonderful kids in the world?) Even though I have had some disturbing interactions with Americans, the warm welcome and kind words from you make up for allot of it, too bad I've never met you in my travels, maybe my opinions would have been different. I do understand what you are saying and I agree, knowone has a right to bash someone until they've walked a mile in their shoes, you, as an American, know better what is going on in your country then I do, as do I about Canada. It's not good to rock the boat, especially if you're in it. I hope to "run" into you more often on this site, you seem like a delightful person and are very eloquent about your views, you also have a wonderful sense of humor. God bless.

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Altenweg,

Thank YOU so much. You made me feel so much better. I wish too, that we crossed paths, and if I am lucky enough, there may be a day that we do.


Where you live sounds so very nice! No igloo huh :)

I again am so sorry about the interactions that you have that were less then pleasant.

God Bless you too Altenweg, and thank you from the bottom of my heart for understanding me. Means more to me then I can share.

AllHeart- It seems like be both brought a bit of sunshine into eachothers lives today, that's what more people should spread around.:)

If you come to Canada within the next month or so I could probably try and build an igloo in my backyard, but I have no idea how so I'd have to do some research first. Goodness knows that my kids would be thrilled.;)

Keep in touch.

Andrea

Altenweg, I grew up in Alaska and you'd be surprised how many people asked ME about living in an igloo...
I just chuckle and say, "Yeah, and I rode dog-sleds to school, too."
Ignorance can and will show up when least expected. I think it's a matter of perspective in some cases. In other cases, it rears it's ugly head as idiocy. I've always had great respect for Canadians. Two of my favorite possessions are an Alaskan flag and a Canadian flag. I know what living in that general environment can do for a persons character.
Having lived in the lower 48, for nearly too long now, I sense my perspectives have faded some. To some folks here, that may not be much of a shock. Hehe

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AllHeart- It seems like be both brought a bit of sunshine into eachothers lives today, that's what more people should spread around.:)

If you come to Canada within the next month or so I could probably try and build an igloo in my backyard, but I have no idea how so I'd have to do some research first. Goodness knows that my kids would be thrilled.;)

Keep in touch.

Andrea

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Oh Andrea you are so right. Hopefully the sunshine spreading is catchy.

Ya know, I wasn't too sure myself on how to build one of those things... oooh but look what I found . But wait for me to arrive, I'll round up some penguins, and be on my way there :D

Doesn't look too hard... does it :confused: Sending more sunshine... catch :) http://www.primitiveways.com/Images2/igloo13.jpg

Building an igloo is great fun!
Look what I found! See who made it?
YouTube - How to Build an Igloo

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Building an igloo is great fun!
Look what I found! See who made it?
YouTube - How to Build an Igloo

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Captain - that is absolutely precious!!

Gawd isn't you just opened a kettle of fish here my dear lady, hunn you know what your living in the biggest country in the world a country that controls half of the world and took us to war there's going to be a lot off nastiness there weather you like it or not,
On the other hand you also have to realise that you aren't the only country that gets bashed hell I have seen enough brits take crap on here and other places alone with plenty of others I'm afraid my dear its just the way the internet is you see it and you say it as it is if you don't like it then you don't log in.
From now on and for years to come you as a country along with others will be bashed (as you put it) for the idiotic greed of a person you experience a taste of terrorism and its like its only just been invented never mind the countries that have been living with it on a daily basis since the 70's I think it just comes down to the age old crack of we all use the brush just with different strokes we all live in the same world but we all have a different opinion you rarely will see me voice my true feelings for the pure fact I respect the others in our human race too much to give it full throttle.

LOl CBW - I certainly did... but glad I did.

No, I know we are not the only one that gets negative chatter, oh I know that. Once in awhile though, I think it is more then okay to stand up against the negative comments. I see nothing wrong with that and glad I did and would do again. When other countries are continuoulsy spoken of negatively I would admire and applaud them standing up for their homeland and would encourage them to do so.

Yes, I am like you, in the way that, yes, out of respect for mankind and differences in culture, I remain silent when I see a difference or a negative. I guess we are dignified enough to know when to remain silent and when to speak up with respect.

Yes, I could not log on if I don't like what I read, but that would be hiding or turning away and I see no reason to do that because someone is unaware of their poor manners or because I choose to speak up and defend my country.

One should know the difference when not to speak and when to speak with respect about any country, race or creed.

Come to think of it, why would it not be okay to speak up for my country. I guess because we as Americans just have to suck it up because we are viewed to have too much so we should be able to swallow any negative comment.

I've grown somewhat tired of expressing myself on this topic. I'm very grateful to those who have been able to understand what I have been trying to express and disheartned with those who just can't hear me and I embrace the differences and more then accept them.

Peharps my point of view and my heart filled with love for my country as well as all countries around the world is unwelcomed. I accept that but I will never regret speaking up and speaking out for something I felt needed to be said.

God Bless all of you and I wish you all nothing but joy and peace.

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Yes, I am like you, in the way that, yes, out of respect for mankind and differences in culture, I remain silent when I see a difference or a negative.

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That is one of the reasons that the US has some issues, people just accepting the negative without voicing their concern out loud.

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That is one of the reasons that the US has some issues, people just accepting the negative without voicing their concern out loud.

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NK, you are 100% correct and that goes for any situation. How can you fix something if it is not spoke about or brought out in the open.

Sorry, what I meant to say was that I don't voice negatives about another country when they are having difficuties. Another words shine their problems in their face. If that makes sense.

I honestly respect, admire and want to learn more about other countries. I just get so :mad: when I feel our wounds are constantly exposed with ill intent.

It would be like someone outside my family calling a huge meeting, and in front of everyone the person holding the meeting wants to know... why does your Mom drink so much? Can't she stop drinking? Is your family so disfuncitional you can not tell there is a problem? What's wrong with your family? She's a peril to your family.

Can you see how that would hurt? Deeply? It's kind of like that when people not from America continually point out our problems, not to offer assistance, but to be unkind and to hurt.

AllHeart and CaptianRich- Come on down, but you better hurry, Our cold snap ended today and it's actually sunny, still cold but sunny. Oh Mr. Sun how I missed you. I'm actually going to take the kids outside to play today, the first time in 2 weeks, they can't wait. I mentioned the igloo idea to them and they love it, me and my big mouth:p . I have to say that I'm so glad to have "met" the both of you, I consider you friends, I hope that's okay.:o

Hello Dearest Allheart,

Now when you say bash, what exactly do you mean? I have been in many discussions about America. Not so much the american people, but the american government. There is a difference. Do I or anybody else has a right to discuss things about American even if I or somebody else is not american, you betcha. Do you know why and I will tell you why. The American government things that they own the world and are the biggest power and that they can flex there muscle and interfere in any country around the world because they have the power to do so. So if American government is known to interfere in everybodies backyard then why can't other people from around the world comment on the united states and their government. I hope you understand that Americans pride themselves with free speech but at the same time they try to stifle somebody from speaking their minds. I am not american, Canadian as you know. My fathers side of the family are all american. Could I be considered half american does not matter, still have the right to jump in and discuss or talk about USA. I also believe there is a difference between bashing and speaking the truth. For example, I have always said this to you, that when I disagree or feel strongly about something it has never been against the american People, but the Government that runs your country at the same time. Who voted the government in, it was a always a split... I do have to say though that now many people are waking up and realizing that the Bush government was the worst mistake ever and they have lied about everything about the war. What about the people (americans fighting in this war, they were all lied to. They need to be proud that they stood up and fought for their country at the same time they need to know that they were duped in fighting a fake war with fake weapons of destruction.) Now that they know, they can pick their battles and decide whether to continue or hang up their guns and fight for peace instead)

Just my thoughts and opinion. There is no bashing in my opinion in how I have said things. I hope you understand my post and I have not had a chanch to catch up or even read other posts.

Bye for now,

Joe

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AllHeart and CaptianRich- I have to say that I'm so glad to have "met" the both of you, I consider you friends, I hope that's okay.:o

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Oh Bless you Altenweg,

Yes, please sign me up for that. I am truly touched and honoured.

Thank you so much. Means more then the keyboard allows me to express :D

Thank you again

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Hello Dearest Allheart,

Do I or anybody else has a right to discuss things about American even if I or somebody else is not american, you betcha. Do you know why and I will tell you why. The American government things that they own the world and are the biggest power and that they can flex there muscle and interfere in any country around the world because they have the power to do so.

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Hello my good friend Joe,

When I started this thread, it was honestly to gain understanding, express my upset and even hurt. But more then anything, I do not like carrying upset in my heart and did
Want so much to understand WHAT would motivate a non-American, to keep holding a flashlight to our sores.

Joe, I don't know how to thank you, you words above are beginning to open my eyes a wee bit as to the why. Gosh, the above is probably how we are perceived and may be true (to be honest, I don't know but I hope we are not bullies) Anyway, you have open the door for me to begin to understand on some level as to the why.

Joe, for many things and for many reasons I adore you. For what you have shared with me above giving me for the very first time in my whole life, some insight as to the why...
I thank you and I love you my friend for it.

I don't want to harbour upset, jump out of my skin when I read certain things.

I do say sorry to the world if we earned the way we are viewed. I mean that sincerely.

Joe, you have no idea how deep my gratitude is.

I continue to have a deep love as well as pride for my country and now pray
That America makes more of a positive difference in this world of ours.

Love you my friend.

I just watched this one part of a documentary... There is so much more that is missing. But, I really wonder what you folks would think after watching it. Please watch the whole thing.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer...69373929310139

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I just watched this one part of a documentary... There is so much more that is missing. But, I really wonder what you folks would think after watching it. Please watch the whole thing.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer...69373929310139

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Our government has been hijacked from the inside but let's be quiet about that or we get called traitor or nut job. I'm not a traitor but I may be a nut job. Never will believe the official story though. More to it than that.

The official story has 0 value. This video goes through that, I hope it's watched.

*** Unsuscribing to my own thread****

I couldn't make it through the video. The harsh visions and memories brought me right back to that day and I cry for my country and all those people directly effected and wells up anger in me.

I have no idea what message is attempting to be said, but I have a feeling I would not be pleased.

Some may say I am nuts too - or have my head in the sand - I don't care what they say -

****unsuscribing****

******Sorry :( Don't mean to sound like a 5 year old and throw down the toys and say I don't want to play no more...

But first, the images, are still hard to see and I could be wrong, but it seemed that it is saying there is some American consipiracy involved? Awful. Sorry I just can't digest that.

Nor will I entertain that. Awful. If I am wrong and that isn't what it is saying - I'm sorry.

I didn't make it through the whole thing - and won't.

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To Bash America? Do you live here? Are you an American?

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I am not saying that all people do not have a right to say what they choose, I am just saying that I find it rude, unacceptable, and disrespectful. Just as I would if an American continously openly said negative things about another country without any regard to the audience and with zero respect.

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You just may have to log off the internet then. We are free to and criticize what we wish whether we live there or not - it's called having an opinion. It's absolutely NOT unacceptable as you say.

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You just may have to log off the internet then. We are free to and criticize what we wish whether we live there or not - it's called having an opinion. It's absolutely NOT unacceptable as you say.

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NK -

1) That question was to a Mary something I can't remember now. And I sincerely was asking if she was from here. Not being sarcastic but was just inquiring.

I wish you would have paged through this whole thread as you would have seen JH ( Jesus Helper) shed some light on this topic for me.

Yes, NK I did get my back up in the air when someone not from here criticized America - big time. I did not understand that.

But thanks to Joe and CBW (who also contributed a great viewpoint on this thread), it opened my eyes wider. And I do believe I apologized to everyone back in whatever post it was.

I was ignorant and I was wrong. I have come to accept and even have reached and understanding as to why sometimes someone not from here would voice a negative viewpoint.

I have grown since first writing that and somewhere on this thread I thank Joe from the bottom of my heart for the insight.

Because let me tell you NK, it was one heck of a heavy heart and upset that I would experienced when I would see the comments. I actually have reached a place of acceptance.

I am not the type to go back and cut and paste and say see Here's proof where the light got turned on for me.

I just trust that you will take my word as to what I am saying is sincere and true. I can now see negative staments and I actually am okay about it and perhaps you think I should have been from the beginning... we all have things we need to work on. So, I guess I can take my successful growth spurt on this issue off my to do list NK.

For being upset, for the way I worded it - and for the way I was upset I truly am sorry to you and anyone else I may have upset.

I will admit I do at times have a blind loyalty to friendships, family and Country.

Just wish you would have taken the time to see that I have grown on this issue. Would have saved the little scolding.

If you are referring to my upset with the video, Mickey Mouse could have posted that and I would have been upset - It was not the poster that upset me, it was the content.

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Originally Posted by Greg Quinn

I just watched this one part of a documentary... There is so much more that is missing. But, I really wonder what you folks would think after watching it. Please watch the whole thing.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer...69373929310139

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Greg, I have watched this and many others. I spent a couple of weeks going through everything I could get on the subject. There have been many questions asked that have no answers. But just because there are not answers for every question does not necessarily mean anything. I am myself quite disturbed by the speculation I have read. My conclusion is the same as the government’s explanation.

For my own sanity - I did scroll back... and it was post 109... here it is so you don't have to.

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Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
Hello Dearest Allheart,

Do I or anybody else has a right to discuss things about American even if I or somebody else is not american, you betcha. Do you know why and I will tell you why. The American government things that they own the world and are the biggest power and that they can flex there muscle and interfere in any country around the world because they have the power to do so.




Hello my good friend Joe,

When I started this thread, it was honestly to gain understanding, express my upset and even hurt. But more then anything, I do not like carrying upset in my heart and did
want so much to understand WHAT would motivate a non-American, to keep holding a flashlight to our sores.

Joe, I don't know how to thank you, you words above are beginning to open my eyes a wee bit as to the why. Gosh, the above is probably how we are perceived and may be true (to be honest, I don't know but I hope we are not bullies) Anyway, you have open the door for me to begin to understand on some level as to the why.

Joe, for many things and for many reasons I adore you. For what you have shared with me above giving me for the very first time in my whole life, some insight as to the why...
I thank you and I love you my friend for it.

I don't want to harbour upset, jump out of my skin when I read certain things.

I do say sorry to the world if we earned the way we are viewed. I mean that sincerely.

Joe, you have no idea how deep my gratitude is.

I continue to have a deep love as well as pride for my country and now pray
that America makes more of a positive difference in this world of ours.

Love you my friend.
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