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  • May 21, 2023, 08:34 PM
    jlisenbe
    There is good news in this case.

    Quote:

    Marine vet Daniel Penny’s GiveSendGo legal defense fund is site’s second-biggest campaign.

    Lawyers for Penny, who is charged in the subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely, have raised over $2.6 million on GiveSendGo.

  • May 22, 2023, 05:17 AM
    tomder55
    Will it help against DA Bragg's stacked deck ? Too bad some of the donors will not be sitting in the jury.

    Bragg is also hard at work hunting down the other 2 Good Samaritans .
    Lefty DAs are hard at work decriminalizing crime. So they have to come up with new crimes to justify their existence. Being a Good Samaritan and self defense are 2 of the new crimes.
  • May 22, 2023, 05:50 AM
    jlisenbe
    I don't think Penny will do well at the initial trial, but once it works its way up the chain of appeals, he will prevail. It will be a long, expensive process, so it's good he has a significant war chest.
  • May 22, 2023, 06:28 AM
    tomder55
    Once convicted ,appeal or not ,he will serve jail time. Riker's Island is a terrible place to await an appeal.
  • May 23, 2023, 05:35 AM
    tomder55
    Scenario one ;White Good Samaritan restrains a threatening White guy in the train , The restrained guy dies .......doesn't make the news.

    Scenario two : Black Good Samaritan restrains a threatening Black guy in the train , The restrained guy dies .......doesn't make the news.

    Scenario three; Black Good Samaritan restrains a threatening White guy in the train , The restrained guy dies .......doesn't make the news.

    Scenario four; White Good Samaritan restrains a threatening Black guy in the train , The restrained guy dies .......becomes a major news story ;protests erupt ;Good Samaritan arrested and called a racist White Supremist
  • Jun 14, 2023, 03:03 PM
    tomder55
    Penny was indicted for 2nd degree manslaughter .

    Penny was not arrested until Bragg was sufficiently pressured by professional activists .
  • Jun 14, 2023, 04:00 PM
    jlisenbe
    It will be interesting to see where all of this leads in the 24 elections.
  • Jun 14, 2023, 04:53 PM
    tomder55
    One witness after another praised his actions . It goes to show how corrupt the grand jury system has become .

    Eyewitness Calls Daniel Penny A "Hero" For The Way He Restrained Jordan Neely | Evie Magazine
  • Oct 21, 2024, 03:02 AM
    tomder55
    Daniel Penny's trial begins today. It will be held in the same court house where Alvin Bragg got Trump convicted . Bragg is prosecuting this case too . The timing of the trial is curious given that it is in the final weeks of the elections where crime is a big issue. Is this the Dems trying to show a tough on crime posture ?
    But that could backfire as Penny could be a sympathetic martyr and hero .
  • Oct 21, 2024, 04:33 AM
    jlisenbe
    The lunacy referred to as "New York City" just continues on.
  • Nov 24, 2024, 03:42 AM
    tomder55
    The defense rested yesterday. Penny did not testify. This was the 2nd high profile trial this week . In the other one Jose Antonio Ibarra was found guilty of the murder of Laken Riley.

    Riley was defenseless against a predator. Penny is charged for stepping up and protecting the defenseless.
  • Nov 25, 2024, 09:41 AM
    jlisenbe
    Not entirely sure what I think about Penny. Was it necessary for him to kill the guy? That's the big question.

    At any rate, he seems to be on a course to acquittal. Even Bragg's prosecution has backfired.

    Quote:

    But a host of prosecution witnesses, Penny’s fellow passengers, knocked massive holes in that tale, as one after another veteran subway rider described how terror-stricken they were trapped on the train car with the angry, unstable, threatening Neely.
    One woman said she “was scared s–tless” by Neely’s behavior and recalled him yelling: “I don’t give a damn. I will kill a motherf—–r. I’m ready to die.”
    The house-of-cards case against Daniel Penny is falling apart
  • Nov 25, 2024, 10:09 AM
    tomder55
    The question is if the submission hold was a choke hold. Testimony by a defense pathologist stated that Neely had medical conditions and synthetic marijuana that could've contributed to his death. A combat instructor testified that the hold's purpose is to knock someone out without killing them . Police detected a pulse when they arrived .

    Here's my thoughts.

    This is what is happening in NYC this week

    NYC Crime: Tourist from Italy randomly slashed while walking in Midtown, Manhattan - ABC7 New York

    Argument at NYC subway stop leads to teen slashed in face, NYPD says - CBS New York

    This is happening in Bragg's district while he is trying to get Trump

    Homeless man’s alleged killing spree exposes NYC’s ‘whole rotten system’ | CNN

    Exclusive | Murders soar 60% on NYC subways, nearing record

    As I said Laken Riley could've lived had there been a Daniel Penny around .
  • Nov 25, 2024, 11:27 AM
    jlisenbe
    Quote:

    As I said Laken Riley could've lived had there been a Daniel Penny around .
    Very true. Her case is a puzzle of sorts. As I understand it, she was on a public trail and tried to attract some attention to her situation. And if we want to wonder what has happened to men these days, you need look no further than Penny's case.
  • Dec 6, 2024, 02:31 PM
    tomder55
    NY judge ;after jury said they were deadlocked ;dismissed the manslaughter charge against Penny. Lesser charges are still pending.
  • Dec 7, 2024, 03:22 AM
    tomder55
    Eric Adams spoke about the Penny trial

    : "Well, I think we've always asked New Yorkers, you see something, say something, do something, and New Yorkers have always had the spirited energy to come to their fellow New Yorkers. And we have to be honest about the severe mental health crisis that we’re facing. In no way I want to do something that will make the jury decision harmful in any way. He's going to be judged by a jury of his peers. They’re deliberating, let’s let them do their job. But I do know we have a broken system of dealing with severe mental health illness in our — not only our subway system, but on our streets. I have been advocating to give us more power for involuntary removal for those who can’t take care of themselves and are dangerous to others. And this young man was part of that problem. He was a revolving door mental health system and we have to do a better job of that. I wish his family well, and I wish the family of Mr. Penny well, as well."
    Eric Adams on Daniel Penny: ‘We’ve Always Asked New Yorkers, “You See Something Say Something, Do Something”‘ :: Grabien - The Multimedia Marketplace :: Grabien - The Multimedia Marketplace

    He is right of course . The question is ;what has he done about it besides flapping his gums ?
  • Dec 7, 2024, 07:07 AM
    jlisenbe
    He is talking out of both sides of his mouth, trying to appear supportive of Penny without suggesting he should be found innocent. And as you pointed out, when the mayor is critical of the mental health system of NYC, then he is really being critical of himself. Maybe they could take some of that money they are using to house, feed, and entertain illegals and use it to take care of mentally ill New Yorkers.
  • Dec 9, 2024, 09:59 AM
    jlisenbe
    Even in NYC, justice can still prevail. Penny was found not guilty, but the very fact that these silly charges were even brought against him will send a chilling message to any other person considering trying to do the right thing and help another person being threatened.
  • Dec 9, 2024, 12:46 PM
    tomder55
    The message is don't go to Bragg's jurisdiction Some lawmakers in the city have had enough

    Quote:

    “Penny was wrongfully accused and slandered to better serve the DA’s skewed agenda. New Yorkers stood up against the unlawfulness and dishonesty,” the lawmaker said. “If only Alvin Bragg actually did his job and protected New Yorkers the city would be a lot safer than it is today.”
    After Daniel Penny not-guilty verdict, calls mount for DA Alvin Bragg to ‘resign in shame’
  • Dec 10, 2024, 04:40 AM
    tomder55
    BLM cofounder in NYC calls for Black vigilantes .

    Quote:

    "People want to jump up and choke us and kill us for being loud? How about we do the same when they attempt to oppress us?"
    BLM Calls for 'Black Vigilantes' to Target Oppressors After Daniel Penny Verdict - Newsweek


    No ;Penny restrained Neely because he was threatening ..... not because he was loud .

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