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How effective is the vaccine ? Does it prevent catching the virus ? No Does it prevent spreading the virus ? No . The virus has a 99% survival rate so it does not effectively control virus deaths . On top of that they loose effectiveness in a matter of weeks .That is why they want to double down with boosters .
So someone is forced to make a choice . Take an ineffective jab or lose their jobs and social liberty .
Just about right. There are so many people now who take liberty for granted and don't value our freedoms. They are all too willing to trade them away for a little supposed security. As Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."Quote:
So someone is forced to make a choice . Take an ineffective jab or lose their jobs and social liberty .
Abolish the draft! Only volunteers need apply!Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
The draft was abolished and the draft/conscription ended in 1973 .It has always been a point of contention . The power granted in the Constitution is not disputed . Article 1 Sec 8 Clause 15 implies Congress has the power to draft or to assemble the military as needed Clause 16 gives Congress the power to fund the military . with Article 2 makes the President CIC . The first Congress in 1792 defined those who could be called up as able bodied males between 18-45 .
The most famous draft opposition was during the Civil War where it took armed troops in NYC to put down draft riots .
Can the draft be unabolished if we go to war again?
Only by an act of Congress .The draft is abolished . There is a selective service system so the country will be prepared in case a draft is needed .It was abolished during Ford's term but was quickly reinstated by an EO by Jimmy Carter during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan .Various attempts to eliminate it since have failed.
This is a tad misleading. The opposition was not to the draft itself, it was to the fact that the rich could pay for a substitute to go in their place. The $300 price tag was far beyond the means of the recently arrived immigrants from Ireland to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The Irish served in great numbers for the Union. Several thousand also served for the Confederacy.
The underlying issue was race. Robert E Lee understood that the North itself was divided over the issue . The riots in NYC and Boston occurred shortly after his failed invasion of the North in 1863. The Irish may have been angry about the buy out provision that they could not afford . But a bigger concern was the Blacks migrating North and taking longshore jobs.
Labor Competition and the New York Draft Riots of 1863 on JSTOR
As regards the draft riots, the issue was the price to get out of it. Race had nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Race had everything to do with it . Firefighters on a rampage torched businesses that hired Blacks including Brooks Brothers, Harper’s Weekly, and Knickerbockers. They torched an orphanage that housed Black children and they attacked homes of known abolitionists .
Here is a report about the torching of 'The Colored Orphan Asylum ' .
While the mob was focused on breaking into the building, the superintendent of the Asylum, William E. Davis, and the head matron, Jane McClellan, quietly led 233 children out the back entrance. A crew of firefighters of Hook and Ladder Company No. 2, valiantly fought the flames. Two firemen, Chief Engineer Decker and Paddy McCaffrey, showed exceptional bravery trying in vain to put out the fire, while fighting the angry mob.
The children were taken to the Twentieth Precinct building which was located on 35th Street near 7th Avenue where they remained for the next three days until the riots ended. At least 120 people were killed and more than 2,000, all mostly African Americans, were injured. The children from the Orphans Asylum, however, were moved to Blackwell’s Island (now Roosevelt Island), along with many other African American refugees whose homes had been burned by the mob. All Asylum children survived the riots, and after a short time at Governor’s Island, they were moved to a residence in Carmansville.
The Colored Orphans Asylum of New York (1836-1946) • (blackpast.org)
That death toll is a gross underestimation . Deaths due to the riots were at least in the 660 range and possibly in the thousand range . The 120 number is what the police reported .
The death of Ebrahim Franklin was typical of what happened during the riots Franklin was in church, praying. He was a disabled man who made his living working as a carriage driver. The mob beat him to his death in the church . They then dragged him outside and hung him in the church yard in front of his mother. They then mutilated his corpse. Over 3,000 Blacks homes were destroyed . That was about 25% of all the Black families living in the city . Many of them left the city never to return,
So yes the riot began because the rich could buy out, It swiftly morphed into an anti-Black riot. The mob did not want to fight for emancipation because free Blacks threatened their jobs.
The reply above is a good example of stating a point and then providing support for it. Well done.
The DRAFT riots began for the reasons I've stated. The anti-Black attitudes were there before and after the riots. To assign the DRAFT riots to racism is to misread history.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
There is no documentation for that statement as opposed to what Tom provided.Quote:
The DRAFT riots began for the reasons I've stated. The anti-Black attitudes were there before and after the riots. To assign the DRAFT riots to racism is to misread history.
It is true that the passage of a conscription law was the spark that ignited the fire. It is also true that there was a great deal of angst amongst white workers about emancipated black workers competing for their jobs. So it would be, I suppose, a fair statement that BOTH racism and the draft law were at the root of the violence.
"By far the worst violence was reserved for African-American men, a number of whom were lynched or beaten to death with shocking brutality. In all, the published death toll of the New York City draft riots was 119 people, though estimates of the actual number of people killed reached as high as 1,200."
https://www.history.com/topics/ameri...ar/draft-riots
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