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Originally Posted by waltero

The SSA estimates that it made about $7.9 billion worth of improper payments in total during the 2019 fiscal year.

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Your point?

Freedom or an Athos imposed, compulsory "We'll take care of you" social program. I think I'll take freedom.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Freedom or an Athos imposed, compulsory

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It's already in effect. Why would you need me to impose it?

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"We'll take care of you" social program. I think I'll take freedom.

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Your freedom would cost millions to be in poverty in their old age. I must ask you this: Why are white evangelicals so unfeeling about others when the clear Christian message is a preferable option for the poor as outlined in the Gospels?

I don't need to provide verses. As a Bible expert, you should know them by heart.

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The SSA estimates that it made about $7.9 billion worth of improper payments in total during the 2019 fiscal year.

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You call that a failure?

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YES! (my point)

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Originally Posted by waltero

YES! (my point)

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Why is that a failure? Surely you're not referring to the whole social security program? Or are you? If so, why?

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Currently, nearly 70 million Americans receive social security benefits. You call that a failure?

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The whole social security program, is doomed for failure.

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Originally Posted by waltero

The whole social security program, is doomed for failure.

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Why? If you have a job, you pay into it as does the company you work for.

Do you actually think anybody under the age of 57 is ever going to receive a Social Security check?

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Originally Posted by waltero

Do you actually think anybody under the age of 57 is ever going to receive a SSC check?

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If disabled, yes. You are allowed to claim retirement SS starting at age 62.

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Why? If you have a job, you pay into it as does the company you work for.

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The Government steals from Social security to pay for other sh*T. Social security has to barrow money to stay afloat.
They will go Broke (again) in 2028

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$7.9 billion worth of improper payments

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Originally Posted by Athos

Your freedom would cost millions to be in poverty in their old age. I must ask you this: Why are white evangelicals so unfeeling about others when the clear Christian message is a preferable option for the poor as outlined in the Gospels?

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Athos it has nothing to do with being a Christian and a great deal with being a Republican, with that political view, that no one is entitled to anything, a work 'til you drop philosophy. When politics intervenes, that is self interest intervenes, good works go out the window unless served by political advantage

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Athos it has nothing to do with being a Christian and a great deal with being a Republican, with that political view, that no one is entitled to anything, a work 'til you drop philosophy. When politics intervenes, that is self interest intervenes, good works go out the window unless served by political advantage

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If I understand you, the Republican philosophy of greedy self-interest is responsible for ignoring the poor in society, not Christians. To a certain degree, I agree with you. However, I believe the Republican cult is filled mostly with the white evangelicals I mentioned.

I also believe this is the main subgroup supporting Trump and his "Big Lie" that the election was rigged. What I fail to understand is how any large group of Christians could possibly believe Trump after 4 years of obvious proven lies and a piggish life of immorality (amorality?).

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Originally Posted by waltero

The Government steals from Social security to pay for other sh*T. Social security has to barrow money to stay afloat. They will go Broke (again) in 2028

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If that's what you believe, what are you as a Christian doing to avoid that happening with its disastrous effect on the poor and the marginalized and the disabled?

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$7.9 billion worth of improper payments

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You are repeating this, but not saying why. You are certainly implying that this means the entire SS program is bad. You are using a slogan to defame the program without a word of explanation. "Improper payments" is a complex issue which cannot have justice done to it in the confines of a Q&A site.

To discover what the phrase really means, anyone (including you) can google the phrase and discover all the aspects of it. You will learn that, unlike your implication, it has nothing to do with bad management by the Social Security employees.

I'm a bit surprised you did something so devious.

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Social security has to barrow money to stay afloat. They will go Broke (again) in 2028

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SS is currently solvent and, in fact, uses its surplus to fund other reckless, insane federal spending initiatives. But you are correct in saying that a day of reckoning is coming. The exact year is a subject of debate, but our current crop of self-serving, corrupt, narcissistic pols have no interest in taking the necessary steps to fix it, so we'll just continue to hobble along until the dam actually breaks and then try to figure out how to somehow survive.

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Why work when the government will give you freebees for not working

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Those who receive SSA,APA, welfare etc. act as if they finally made it in life. Why be bothered with work when you don't have to?
Those who spent years in College, no desire to work, taking advantage of the 'Free money" that is offered, becoming professional students. Unwed Mothers, encouraged to go on welfare, perpetuating their current position. Mothers not wanting their children to leave home and get a job! Young adults thinking they need just show up and collect a paycheck, not willing to lift a finger! Won't work for less thn $15hr, wanting to make the big bucks right of the bat. Never giving a ****

Gimme, gimme, gimme, all for sale!

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Originally Posted by waltero

Those who receive SSA,APA, welfare etc. act as if they finally made it in life. Why be bothered with work when you don't have to?
Those who spent years in College, no desire to work, taking advantage of the 'Free money" that is offered, becoming professional students. Unwed Mothers, encouraged to go on welfare, perpetuating their current position. Mothers not wanting there children to leave home and get a job! Young adults thinking they need just show up and collect a paycheck, not willing to lift a finger! Won't work for less thn $15hr, wanting to make the big bucks right of the bat.

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See my post #53. That post is what you should reply to, not the above piece of rambling wild accusations. The vitriol in the above is remarkable for one who espouses a religious faith.

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Originally Posted by waltero

Won't work for less thn $15hr, wanting to make the big bucks right of the bat. Never giving a ****

Gimme, gimme, gimme, all for sale!

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You speak as though taking a minimum wage job is a privilege and $15 an hour is big bucks. You forget that the people you speak of are in the minority and victims of circumstance, even if sometimes it is of their own making. There are employers who won't give some a chance, prejudging them

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See my post #53. That post is what you should reply to

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I'd rather stick with the Topic. But thanks for asking.

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Those who receive SSA,APA, welfare etc. act as if they finally made it in life. Why be bothered with work when you don't have to?
Those who spent years in College, no desire to work, taking advantage of the 'Free money" that is offered, becoming professional students. Unwed Mothers, encouraged to go on welfare, perpetuating their current position. Mothers not wanting their children to leave home and get a job! Young adults thinking they need just show up and collect a paycheck, not willing to lift a finger! Won't work for less thn $15hr, wanting to make the big bucks right of the bat. Never giving a ****

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Wooohoo! I got my welfare, I finally made it!!!
This is what our Government is creating.

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You speak as though taking a minimum wage job is a privilege

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I've worked for far less. It might go better for those who are looking for a Job, to think of it as being a privilege?
Nobody want's to work. I say open the Borders, I know some people wanting to work!

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Wooohoo! I got my welfare, I finally made it!!!
This is what our Government is creating.

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Exactly correct.

Anyone willing to work now can walk into practically any store or business in our area and start at twelve to fifteen dollars an hour. Get two jobs. Work sixty hours a week if need be, but take care of yourself and don't become a leech sucking the financial blood of others.