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I had responded to tomder's question, which was much like yours. Trump DID NOT hold the kids for only 72 hours like Obama did. Many (over 500) are still in these cages "watching tv and eating snacks" according to Trump.

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Are you sure those 500 are still in cages? As for the 72 hours, most of the kids are out by that time. Not sure why some remain, but I would imagine it has to do with the large numbers. I'm sure you will join me in calling for a wall which would solve the problem.

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join me in calling for a wall which would solve the problem.

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A wall will NOT solve the problem! Any wall can be breeched, plus the humanitarian aspect needs to be addressed.

A wall will largely solve the problem. As for the humanitarian problem, you won't be happy one way or the other unless, of course, it is Biden putting kids into the cages. Then you three will be perfectly content once again, and not a peep will be heard.

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A wall will largely solve the problem. As for the humanitarian problem, you won't be happy one way or the other unless, of course, it is Biden putting kids into the cages. Then you three will be perfectly content once again, and not a peep will be heard.

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Short sections of walls have been built and have failed or been breeched or tunneled under. We don't need a wall. And Biden won't build one nor will he put kids into cages indefinitely. And he'll make sure parents and their children are properly IDed for being reunited.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good . Completing the wall is absolutely necessary even if on occasion someone figures out how to get in under around or over it .

Biden will simply open the border and allow unfettered access. He'll use more of our non-existent money to pay for med care for them. We'll continue down the road to ruin, prompted on by the people who are so noble and caring that they are willing either to force other people to take care of them, or just used borrowed money to do it, never stopping for one second to think about what kind of world that is creating for our children and grandchildren.

"Show me where I've had no data. Bet ya can't." Still waiting, Athos.

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Don't let perfect be the enemy of good . Completing the wall is absolutely necessary even if on occasion someone figures out how to get in under around or over it .

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On occasion? How about regularly depending on the weather. Certainly doesn't stop the flow of drugs.

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Biden will simply open the border and allow unfettered access. He'll use more of our non-existent money to pay for med care for them. We'll continue down the road to ruin, prompted on by the people who are so noble and caring that they are willing either to force other people to take care of them, or just used borrowed money to do it, never stopping for one second to think about what kind of world that is creating for our children and grandchildren.

"Show me where I've had no data. Bet ya can't." Still waiting, Athos.

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Nice dufus right wing loony commercial, but little truth since Obama /Biden deported a bunch of illegals. You worry about a better world in the future and ignore the screwed up world now?

LOL, show some data and maybe we won't say you don't have any which may be hard since you rather holler evidence from others and attack it.

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How about regularly depending on the weather .

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will see when the wall is complete . Right now the completed section in San Diego reduced the number of agents needed to patrol by 150 every 24 hrs . That alone is a $28 million return on investment . In the Yuma section Illegal entries in areas with new border wall system plummeted over 87% in 2020 compared to 2019 .And since the wall was begun in urban areas where it is easier for illegals to melt in ;it forced them to attempt entry in more remote areas where it is easier to locate them with drone technology . They are also compelled to cross in harder areas like deserts and mountains . The El Paso Sector has experienced a significant reduction in drug and smuggling activities in areas where the new border wall system was built.

With the wall here's a thought.
Let them in, give them a green card and tax their collectives in perpetuity just like any resident.


Some wall info from BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46824649

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Nice dufus right wing loony commercial, but little truth since Obama /Biden deported a bunch of illegals. You worry about a better world in the future and ignore the screwed up world now?

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No wall and no will to stop illegal immigration = wide open border.

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LOL, show some data and maybe we won't say you don't have any which may be hard since you rather holler evidence from others and attack it.

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Just like I said you would do. Thank you for being totally predictable. I figured one of you would, and you win the prize! "And please don't come back with the worn-out, 'Oh, you do it all the time,' reply. Show me where I've had no data."

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Let them in, give them a green card and tax their collectives in perpetuity just like any resident.

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Isn't that what is being done with LEGAL immigrants now?

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Completing the wall is absolutely necessary even if on occasion someone figures out how to get in under around or over it .

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Total nonsense! The wall is nothing more than an idiotic idea floated by Trump as a campaign tactic to rise the racism of his followers.

Remember T's promise that the "Mexicans will pay for the wall"? When the world stopped laughing, and Trump failed miserably at THAT promise, he stopped mentioning that part and just went on to bloviate about the racism he so naturally is comfortable with.

Diverting monies allocated for military purposes (housing, etc.) to build his wall is a perfect example of his "love" for the military.

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Total nonsense! The wall is nothing more than an idiotic idea floated by Trump as a campaign tactic to rise the racism of his followers.

Remember T's promise that the "Mexicans will pay for the wall"? When the world stopped laughing, and Trump failed miserably at THAT promise, he stopped mentioning that part and just went on to bloviate about the racism he so naturally is comfortable with.

Diverting monies allocated for military purposes (housing, etc.) to build his wall is a perfect example of his "love" for the military.

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The wall is an idea that existed before Trump. yes the idea that the Mexicans would pay for it was idiotic but no doubt they have been made to pay in various ways. Diverting monies that would have paid for military housing is common sense since the market could have provided such housing and the tax payer should not have to pay for it. Reducing the size of the military is a sign of love since less individuals will be put in harms way so your view of the world is very one eyed

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Diverting monies that would have paid for military housing is common sense since the market could have provided such housing and the tax payer should not have to pay for it.

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In this country, diverting money allocated by Congress for one purpose to another purpose not allocated by Congress is unconstitutional. The market does NOT provide for the military, the Congress does.

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Reducing the size of the military is a sign of love since less individuals will be put in harms way so your view of the world is very one eyed

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Hogwash! The military has been a vital part of the US since 1775.

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I wouldn't call it a sign of love, but it would sure be a sign of common sense.

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I wouldn't call it a sign of love, but it would sure be a sign of common sense.

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How quickly will you be able to learn Russian?

scaremongering! The Russian have no interest in invading the US, they have enough to do to look after their own people. Now the Chinese might be a threat or they may be a paper tiger but more likely mandarin than russian

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scaremongering! The Russian have no interest in invading the US, they have enough to do to look after their own people. Now the Chinese might be a threat or they may be a paper tiger but more likely mandarin than russian

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Yes and yes. It's total foolishness to even think about Russia as a major military threat.

In news from the mecca of centralized planning and operations known as "Europe", the Covid spike has become very serious. Several nations have announced "lockdowns" in order to try and stem the spread of the virus. According to the New York Times, "The British prime minister announced expansive new restrictions on Saturday that effectively establish a national lockdown, and Greece and Austria increased coronavirus measures, joining France, Germany, Belgium and Ireland in shutting down large parts of their societies to try to keep their hospitals from being overwhelmed amid vast second-wave surges in coronavirus infections."

Well, we have been told on this site that Trump's avoidance of centralized planning and control is a major failure of his. Perhaps the Europeans would not agree with that assessment?

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10...19-coronavirus

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