it is not packing the court when he is nominating a replacement to fill a vacancy.

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pity the court couldn't examine the constitution and chuck out everything that is redundant

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there are 2 methods written into the Constitution to amend it . Only one is used even though a better method is available

I don't read what you say carefully? Well, here it is.

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THREE conservative judges (especially the third one who was shoved in at the last minute) during his term as president -- with the plan of adding more during his hoped-for next term -- is not packing the court?

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He replaced three justices. He has announced absolutely nothing about adding numbers to the court. So yeah, if you meant something other than he has replaced three justices and he would like to replace three more if he is reelected with the total number remaining at nine, then I don't see how you got there.

Back to the thread, you can't destroy something that is self destructing, you just have to sit on the fence and watch the race to the bottom

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Back to the thread, you can't destroy something that is self destructing

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the experiment of people self governing has not traditionally lasted long. America has had a 200+ plus year run of it and it remains to be seen if it is self destructing or not . That is not a foregone conclusion even though some may argue that we have been in a perpetual state of civil war since the founding .

Let's see . Iceland has the longest running Parliament .But it is still a kingdom . Rome's republic lasted about 250 years . The US is approaching that time frame.

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the experiment of people self governing has not traditionally lasted long. America has had a 200+ plus year run of it and it remains to be seen if it is self destructing or not . That is not a foregone conclusion even though some may argue that we have been in a perpetual state of civil war since the founding .

Let's see . Iceland has the longest running Parliament .But it is still a kingdom . Rome's republic lasted about 250 years . The US is approaching that time frame.

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You are self destructing in the sense that you have reached the end of the republic phase and are transitioning to the empire. Rome lasted about 800 years from founding to being overrun by barbarians, the eastern empire about another thousand years, so Rome had a long run and maybe you will too but not divided as you are

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Rome lasted about 800 years from founding to being overrun by barbarians, the eastern empire about another thousand years, so Rome had a long run and maybe you will too but not divided as you are

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Rome was a republic for 250 years give or take a few. It is not a forgone conclusion that republics need fail just because they have in the past. The framers gave us means to amend for just that reason.

This ain't the ancient world and we have hopefully evolved somewhat from those limitations of knowledge and ability.

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This ain't the ancient world and we have hopefully evolved somewhat from those limitations of knowledge and ability.

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Evolved? In what way have you evolved? you send your legions across the world, you dominate other nations

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You mean like Israel, or Germany, or France, or Italy, or Poland, or S. Korea, or Japan, or Norway, or Kuwait, or Finland? I think citizens of relatively small countries tend to forget what this country has done. Nearly every other superpower existed to aggrandize itself at the expense of other nations. With all our internal faults, our foreign policy has predominately been to help other countries avoid tyranny.

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Evolved? In what way have you evolved? you send your legions across the world, you dominate other nations

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Name one nation we dominate and are uninvited and unwelcome.

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Name one nation we dominate and are uninvited and unwelcome.

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Always nice when we agree, Tal.

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You mean like Israel, or Germany, or France, or Italy, or Poland, or S. Korea, or Japan, or Norway, or Kuwait, or Finland? I think citizens of relatively small countries tend to forget what this country has done. Nearly every other superpower existed to aggrandize itself at the expense of other nations. With all our internal faults, our foreign policy has predominately been to help other countries avoid tyranny.

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That is almost laughable, your foreign policy has always been to advance your own interests, you have not done anything that did not. Your idea of manifest destiny sees you ruling the world. You are only worried about tyranny when it is directed at you. You fought Japan because they attacked you and you support them now because it suits you to have bases there. You fought Germany because they attacked you, and you support them now because it suits you to have bases there. As to Israel, you support them because it suits you. It is all politics and I doubt the ordinary american has any say in it, you are brainwashed from the cradle to the grave with a modern version of bread and circuses

If not for the U.S., all of Europe would be under either Nazi or Soviet control. We defeated Japan, and then rebuilt Japan by spending billions of dollars there. Breakup of the U.S.S.R.? You can thank us. Freedom of nations in the Pacific? Freedom for nations in Eastern Europe? You can thank us. I know from past experience that you can't get it, so it's yet another reason I want to see us pull back from most of our commitments to thankless nations unwilling to spend what it takes to defend themselves as long as they can live under our umbrella. I'm all for getting out, and people like you just reinforce that belief.

Still haven't answered Tal's very good question. "Name one nation we dominate and are uninvited and unwelcome."

Nice anti American rhetorical rant Clete, laughable if you weren't always right next to us. I don't get into the paying us homage gratitude stuff, and certainly it's in our interest to have safe and secure trading and co-operations among other nations and yours too, but please give me a break on this invading empire stuff. That's crap and you know it. If you prefer to sit the situation out feel free to do so.

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If not for the U.S., all of Europe would be under either Nazi or Soviet control. We defeated Japan, and then rebuilt Japan by spending billions of dollars there. Breakup of the U.S.S.R.? You can thank us. Freedom of nations in the Pacific? Freedom for nations in Eastern Europe? You can thank us. I know from past experience that you can't get it, so it's yet another reason I want to see us pull back from most of our commitments to thankless nations unwilling to spend what it takes to defend themselves as long as they can live under our umbrella. I'm all for getting out, and people like you just reinforce that belief.

Still haven't answered Tal's very good question. "Name one nation we dominate and are uninvited and unwelcome."

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Big pat on the back there jl but don't break your arm doing it. I doubt you are as welcome in Japan as you think you are. You so called umbrella enables you to dominate trade and sanction anyone who doesn't dance to your call. Freedom in Eastern Europe, those nations are a shadow of what they once were, rust belts just like your own. You speak of past experience but what about present experience, anyone not in the greater american prosperity zone is sanctioned, and even those who are don't prosper as well as you might think

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, your foreign policy has always been to advance your own interests,you have not done anything that did not.

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duhh and so has Aussies . In whose planet do nations conduct foreign policy against their self interest ? Even when acting in cooperation with other nations ,self interest must be the first consideration . To your point Clete ;alliances are temporary ,self interest is permanent .

Good perspective Tom. Wonder if those Aussies do stuff for anybody that's NOT in their self interest? I'm all ears.

Yes we are doing less of it these days, AU warships have been withdrawn from the Gulf