Let the Independence Day fireworks begin !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIsI7EUYL8

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Let the Independence Day fireworks begin !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIsI7EUYL8

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https://www.penncapital-star.com/com...rick-douglass/

Watching our dufus 's divisive campaign speech to celebrate the 4th of July on Native land brought these words home.

[QUOTE=talaniman;3855659]https://www.penncapital-star.com/commentary/what-to-the-slave-is-the-fourth-of-july-frederick-douglass/[/QUOTE]

That is an incredibly powerful speech by Douglas. I had never seen it before and it is steeped in the formality of oratory of 150 years go, but it loses nothing and remains a masterpiece of clear thinking and powerful persuasion. Douglas has said what many of us have thought, but only in a shadowy way and lacking the skill to make of it anything but shadowy thinking. Here we have it laid out so perfectly, it is breathtaking.

I suggest everyone here, right or left, take the time to read the words of this extraordinary man.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

https://www.penncapital-star.com/com...rick-douglass/

Watching our dufus 's divisive campaign speech to celebrate the 4th of July on Native land brought these words home.

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Unfortunately, words as true now as they were then. I pray the November election will be the beginning of changes for the better.

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Let the Independence Day fireworks begin ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIsI7EUYL8

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You can celebrate when you have something to celebrate

oops wrong video . I posted that video on another site referring to the idiots destroying statues without having the slightest idea of the person ;or in this specific case they torched a statue of an elk in Portland ..

The link that was supposed to be posted was this

Let the Independence Day fireworks begin !



https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/polit...sea/index.html

I like the Batman video better. Like China will change plans and policies with a simple show of force.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Like China will change plans and policies with a simple show of force.

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China has a sense of history, a long and colourful history, marked by many conquests and defeats, they have learned how to play the long game, they are not tied to a short electorial cycle and they long ago learned the value of a wall and trade routes

Russia likes the lifetime leader stuff too, but we have been seeing the Hong Kong conflict coming for years now. Everybody seems eager to take those refugees in, if and when China allows it, and no talk of them fighting for their own freedom, like other refugees.

Wonder why?

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Russia likes the lifetime leader stuff too, but we have been seeing the Hong Kong conflict coming for years now. Everybody seems eager to take those refugees in, if and when China allows it, and no talk of them fighting for their own freedom, like other refugees.

Wonder why?

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You know why, a few million people against more than a billion

That makes no sense so maybe explain your rationale.

umm they are fighting for their freedom but like other freedom loving people (like us) who are taking on a world power ;sometimes they need the help of another world power to achieve their liberty

Well we haven't done that well in the middle eastern countries or South and Central American countries or African countries, so you're predicting better results in the Asian countries...or have you forgotten Viet Nam?

What was our goal in Vietnam ? It certainly wasn't supporting democracy .We supported strong men who were anti-communist It was to stop the spread of global communism that we went to war there . The NVs were supported by over 100,000 soldiers from China ,Russia and the NORKs . Communist Vietnam intervened into neighboring Laosand Cambodia until the late 1980s. Postwar Vietnam trained guerrillas and sent surplus weapons to, Algeria, Chile,and El Salvador in support of exporting their communist revolution. Ho Chi Minh organized and promoted revolutionsin southern China, northeastern Thailand, and British Malaya .The communist Vietnamese never thought of their revolution as an isolatedevent of national liberation ; rather, it was to be an integral component of world revolution.

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What was our goal in Vietnam ? It certainly wasn't supporting democracy .We supported strong men who were anti-communist It was to stop the spread of global communism that we went to war there . The NVs were supported by over 100,000 soldiers from China ,Russia and the NORKs . Communist Vietnam intervened into neighboring Laosand Cambodia until the late 1980s. Postwar Vietnam trained guerrillas and sent surplus weapons to, Algeria, Chile,and El Salvador in support of exporting their communist revolution. Ho Chi Minh organized and promoted revolutionsin southern China, northeastern Thailand, and British Malaya .The communist Vietnamese never thought of their revolution as an isolatedevent of national liberation ; rather, it was to be an integral component of world revolution.

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That's what I said Tom we lost.

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That's what I said Tom we lost.

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yes you did and it wouldnt be the last time, wars you have engaged in since couldnt be scored as total success

What did you say Clete? I got busy counting my toes. Do you count the big toe twice?

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What did you say Clete? I got busy counting my toes. Do you count the big toe twice?

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i dont know dont have six fingers on each hand and extry toes

Shhh! I keep losing count here!

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Shhh! I keep losing count here!

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You can count, did you learn that at school or college?