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Originally Posted by talaniman

Totally agree Tom, a republican president and congress is a dark future for everybody except really rich guys.

Taking bets?

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It could go either way . I don't think there will ever be wholesale changes or repeals of the law as long as the uber-legislator sits as Chief Justice . At this point the law is as much his creation as the Dems . I think the Repubs will nibble at the edges and change some aspects of the law. But the framework is in place for the total takeover of health care . All they need to do now is get rid of the middle men . The suckers in the Insurance industry that sold their souls for the promise of big rewards are going to feel the wrath of the masses as they get blamed for all the Obamacare failings .
So yes if you can take all the bad decisions in the last 8 years and successfully blame "the rich" ;then you'll begin Evita's reign.

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But the framework is in place for the total takeover of health care .

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You mean what every industrialized country has done but yours?

you make it sound like that's a good thing.

It is.

the way I see it is that by twisting the language into a pretzel ,Roberts has allowed the Democrats to massively expand the power and reach of government in ways that make the governement even more tyranical than it was . The legacy of the emperor is preserved .

What's your solution and which candidate supports it?

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It is.

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Not under this administration it's not.

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BREAKING NEWS

Same Sex marriage legal nationwide

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The lefties will not be happy ...they will continue their relentless persecution of religious liberty . The few cases we've seen with florists ,bakers and caterers will spread nation wide. Soon they will go after churches that refuse to sanctify their "marriage" .

Combined with yesterday’s ruling we can only conclude that Constitutional federalism is no more. America is now a centralized country, comparable to individual European states.

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Not under this administration it's not.

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My disabled son thinks it is.

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Not under this administration it's not.

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I tend to believe that under any administration in the U.S. it will not be done properly. Your political system is broken possibly beyond repair. The corporate donors and special interest groups run the show now.

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persecution of religious liberty

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How does two women marrying affect your religious liberty?

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Not under this administration it's not.

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Republicans aren't ready for cradle to grave medicare for all. The groundwork has been laid for it by this administration, though.

Let me start by saying that none of you are in healthcare. None of you see how this impacts the care you currently receive, have received, or will receive under Slowbamacare.

I, on the other hand, see it on a daily basis.

You all can do your internet research, you can research MSNBC, FOXNEWS, etc. ad nauseum, but I am on the front lines. Nurse patient ratios have increased causing you and your loved ones to receive substandard care. Hospitals aren't being reimbursed for readmissions if a patient is non-compliant with home therapies if said patient is readmitted within a 30-day period if the diagnosis is in any way related to the original diagnosis. How do the hospitals combat that? By cutting staff.

It's not a good thing unless you don't mind waiting 30 minutes for me to answer your call light because I have 8 other patients to attend to. It's not a good thing when you, as a nurse, is told that "you all have taken the same board exam so you should be able to attend to any patient." This is what we, as nurses are being told.

Doctors took the same board exams, so it's okay for a dermatologist to do a mitral valve replacement on you mother? That dermatologist took the same boards, right?

That's the profit motive hard at work.
You also have not experienced our healthcare system which has never let me down.

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I tend to believe that under any administration in the U.S. it will not be done properly. Your political system is broken possibly beyond repair. The corporate donors and special interest groups run the show now.

How does two women marrying affect your religious liberty?

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When a baker is compelled to bake a cake for them against their religious convictions ;When a florist is compelled to make floral arrangements for them against their religious convictions ;when a caterer is compelled to serve them food against their religious convictions ;when a DJ gets in legal trouble for not entertaining their "wedding " reception then everyone's religious liberty is threatened . And those scenarios were already happening in states where homosexual "marriage " was legalized. It won't be long before churches face legal jeopardy for refusing to conduct the ceremony .

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Hospitals aren't being reimbursed for readmissions if a patient is non-compliant with home therapies if said patient is readmitted within a 30-day period if the diagnosis is in any way related to the original diagnosis. How do the hospitals combat that? By cutting staff.

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What's the percentage of non-compliant patients who are readmitted within 30 days?

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You also have not experienced our healthcare system which has never let me down.

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Canadian Health Care We So Envy Lies In Ruins, Its Architect Admits

They use to use skin color as a reason not to serve certain people, now they use gender as an excuse not to serve certain people. It's still discrimination, no matter the excuse.

You wouldn't go for separate water fountains as a compromise would you?

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When a baker is compelled to bake a cake for them against their religious convictions

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Why is a baker bringing his religion into the marketplace? I, as a Christian, actually helped a Muslim or two with resumes when I had a resume business. Their money was just as green as the Christians' money.

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They use to use skin color as a reason not to serve certain people, now they use gender as an excuse not to serve certain people. It's still discrimination, no matter the excuse.

You wouldn't go for separate water fountains as a compromise would you?

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Why is a baker bringing his religion into the marketplace? I, as a Christian, actually helped a Muslim or two with resumes when I had a resume business. Their money was just as green as the Christians' money.

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Either you believe in religious liberty or you don't . The baker ,florist etc that are forced to serve a religious ceremony against their convictions is being forced to participate in the event .
This is not about skin color or serving homosexuals . If a homosexual went to the same baker and asked for a birthday cake the baker would not have a religious motive to refuse service . So tal ;your comparison to segregation is absurd. This is specifically about the ceremony they are forced to participate in against their convictions .

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Either you believe in religious liberty or you don't . The baker ,florist etc that are forced to serve a religious ceremony against their convictions is being forced to participate in the event .
This is not about skin color or serving homosexuals . If a homosexual went to the same baker and asked for a birthday cake the baker would not have a religious motive to refuse service . So tal ;your comparison to segregation is absurd. This is specifically about the ceremony they are forced to participate in against their convictions .

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The florist or baker does not participate in the ceremony. He delivers his wares BEFORE the ceremony. Don't Christian florists and bakers sell to non-Christians -- Muslims or atheists or Buddhists?