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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Touché.

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The biggest threat is what I call political corporatism. Not Marxism, not agrarian communism, but neo/political corporatism. They just don't see it or refuse to see it.

I agree with you. I also don't understand how they don't see it.

Tom can't see it, he is blind, thinking he has found utopia. These corporations don't care about people, they peddle influence and it is a narcotic that the politicians imbibe willingly.

Tom you think your nation is righteous but it is one of the most corrupt places on Earth and made all the worse because the corruption is hidden

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Originally Posted by Tuttyd

The biggest threat is what I call political corporatism. Not Marxism, not agrarian communism, but neo/political corporatism. They just don't see it or refuse to see it.

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And in Russia the 'rotten intelligentsia' are now the oligarch billionaires . Our rotten intelligentsia is the progressive class ;especially the lefties who shape and created the system here that you refer to as corporate America.

Conservatives hate corporations? I hate corporations so am I a conservative? Maybe if they trickled down a lot more I would love 'em a lot more.

I must be a conservative as well.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

and in Russia the 'rotten intelligentsia' are now the oligarch billionaires . Our rotten intelligentsia is the progressive class ;especially the lefties who shape and created the system here that you refer to as corporate America.

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So you say you prefer billionaires to people who want a fair deal

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Originally Posted by tomder55

and in Russia the 'rotten intelligentsia' are now the oligarch billionaires . Our rotten intelligentsia is the progressive class ;especially the lefties who shape and created the system here that you refer to as corporate America.

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Tom, you still refuse to see it. Political corporatism doesn't care about the left right distinction.The left right distinction is for people like us.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Conservatives hate corporations? I hate corporations so am I a conservative? Maybe if they trickled down a lot more I would love 'em a lot more.

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You in particular are in denial . Obamacare would not have passed without the backroom deals with corporations. Only now that the emperor is reneging is it losing support. You can't deny the fact that what you call Big Pharma (Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association ) was a major player in crafting the legislation. The AMA gave it their full support even as their rank and file is being driven out of business.

I often wonder, who is running that place, I expect you do too

It has occurred to me it is the gnomes of New York recently migrated from Zurich

So now the krudd and his minions have discovered magic pudding economics, I wonder how they could so easily identify this new economic system
Chris Bowen ridicules Coalition's promise of company tax cut by 2015 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Could it be they have been using it for 6 years

Going from 30 per cent to 28.5 per cent and making the appropriate budget cuts would probably be a benefit for your economy.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

going from 30 per cent to 28.5 per cent and making the appropriate budget cuts would probably be a benefit for your economy.

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Tom I've done the maths it would take a very long time for the average small business to afford another worker. Therefore the reduction just goes into the business owners pocket. What this is about is pandering to the electorate, playing to the crowd and gilding the lily. When we talk about company tax rates we need to talk about effective rates not the posted rate. What I would like to know is how much tax those Chinese businesses who have bought agricultural properties will pay..

Tax isn't an issue in this economy what is an issue is overspending and both parties are guilty of it. They feel they have to make a new promise every day. I'm waiting for the expressways to nowhere and the very fast train which would be useful considering the performance of our airports in recent days. These are the projects that are trotted out in every election, the second Sydney Airport raised its ugly head today, a project I remember fifty years ago when I first became interested in politics. I expect the big announcement that the ayslum seekers policies are working, we have already had the advance press on this

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I'm waiting for the expressways to nowhere

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What people here call infrastructure investment is actually pork paved over with asphalt.

We don't have infrastructure investment we have the future fund which funds wonderful projects none of us have any idea about, it was a conservative policy embraced by the left.

There are wonderful projects out there to be embraced, Conex, the north west rail line, the high speed rail link and because NSW is a battlegound state I expect them all to have promises of funding

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Originally Posted by tomder55

you in particular are in denial . Obamacare would not have passed without the backroom deals with corporations. Only now that the emperor is reneging is it loosing support. You can't deny the fact that what you call Big Pharma (Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association ) was a major player in crafting the legislation. The AMA gave it their full support even as their rank and file is being driven out of business.

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I did a little bit of research. Apparently the current and former CEO's are both Republicans. Although one of them was a former Democrat.

Humm... seems like political corporatism is alive and well.

And if political parties were relevant that would matter. If you haven't guessed yet ,I'm not a Republic.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

and if political parties were relevant that would matter. If you haven't guessed yet ,I'm not a Repubic.

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They are not relevant. That's the whole idea.

I never said you were a Republican.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

. If you haven't guessed yet ,I'm not a Repubic.

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Your views as expressed here are strongly republican, you are certainly opposed to democrat policy perhaps your aversion to socialism places you even further right than the republicans.

As far as guessing, I would say I couldn't have guessed you are a democrat anymore than I could have guessed Krudd is Labor