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So anyone who goes to a JP (non religious) to get married really isn't married, but is civilly united?

Sexual orientation is a preference, a choice? When did you choose to be straight? What age were you?

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WHen I decided I was straight is not of any relevance. It's the practice of it that makes the difference. If a person were to remain celibate for their entire life does it matter? The only time it is in question is during the practice of it. So when you elevate sexual preference to a civil right then you also aloow anything through that door. Pedos can now marry as that is a sexual preference. Poligamy now has a place to flourish since it is a civil right.

Is that the argument your trying to push forward ?

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WHen I decided I was straight is not of any relevance.

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When did you decide TO BE straight, not was straight.

Pedophiles are usually straight and it is still classified as a mental illness. Polygamy is against the law.

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When did you decide TO BE straight, not was straight.

Pedophiles are usually straight.

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So you have no argument in favor you just want to argue the minutia of one part. The relevance of the decision and when it occurred does not matter. It is the argument for anything goes that your skipping over.

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Pedophiles are usually straight and it is still classified as a mental illness. Polygamy is against the law.

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It wasn't that long ago being gay was also a mental illness. It was considered deviant behavior. There are already mummers starting that pedophelia should be allowed.

So just because something is illegal at this time. Your jumping in on the argument that it is a civil right? So how's that working for you ?

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So you have no argument in favor you just want to argue the minutia of one part. The relevence of the decision and when it occured does not matter. It is the argument for anything goes that your skipping over.

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We have to deal with the minutia and define terms before we can deal with the larger issue.

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We have to deal with the minutia and define terms before we can deal with the larger issue.

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It is already well defined. Or is it that you do not believe anyone can be celibate for life?

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It is already well defined. Or is it that you do not believe anyone can be celibate for life?

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How did we end up with "celibate"?

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How did we end up with "celibate"?

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It is because anything after that is "choice". It doesn't matter what the inclination is.


So back to what your wanting to defend. That, that choice of sex is a civil right ?

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It is because anything after that is "choice". It doesnt matter what the inclination is.

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So you cognitively chose to be straight?

Maybe that's the whole problem. People are tired of others defining them, and want to define themselves for a change.

Orientation is not a choice, why would anyone choose a lifestyle that leads to ridicule, discrimination, shunning, and sometimes even violence?

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So you cognitively chose to be straight?

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I made a choice to act on it.

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Orientation is not a choice, why would anyone choose a lifestyle that leads to ridicule, discrimination, shunning, and sometimes even violence?

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Why do people rob, steal and kill?

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I made a choice to act on it.

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So you could have gone either way?

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So you could have gone either way?

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Nope, unless that was a choice I made but my orientaion doesn't work that way.


Care to defend how sexual preference or choice is a civil right or would you like to dance around a bit more?

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Nope, unless that was a choice I made but my orientaion doesnt work that way.

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I'm not finished with this yet. So sexual orientation is not a choice we make.

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I'm not finished with this yet. So sexual orientation is not a choice we make.

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It can be. Just like any other activity we as humans may participate in.

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It can be. Just like any other activity we as humans may participate in.

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How many of your straight friends made a choice to be straight? A conscious choice? The orientation of being straight, not the activity.

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How many of your straight friends made a choice to be straight? a conscious choice? the orientation of being straight, not the activity.

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I don't know as I don't grill my friends as you are attempting to do here. I accept them without having to question it. It is their choice. Not mine.

Sexual orientation is NOT a civil right. It's the way you are born. If all men are created equal, how can you define gay people as less. And how much less are they? 3/5ths, half, or LESS?