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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Rep. Paul Ryan's budget proposal, which would have brought health-care entitlement spending down to sustainable levels while making key reforms to improve the performance of those programs,

Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and every other Democrat own the downgrade. Unfortunately, they will continue to lie and place the blame on the Tea Party

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Hello again, Steve:

You forget. I was in Vietnam. I already HEARD the BS that we had to DESTROY the village in order to save it...

I KNOW what a voucher is. It means if your bills are MORE than the voucher, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. That ain't Medicare. It ain't CLOSE. Medicare would be DESTROYED under the Ryan plan. But, in the TWISTED logic of the right wing, they SAVE it... Would you pass that joint this way??

Beyond that, I suppose I'm lying in my OP when I blame the Tea Party. My argument means NOTHING. I'm just LYING. Uhhh, no I'm not, and my argument MUST be pretty convincing, because all you and smoothy can do is call me a liar.

excon

Typical Democrat argument... Bush owns everything... including Obama's own actions... but Obama owns nothing. Not even responsibility for knocking up his wife.

THere is really a shadow government operating out of Crawford TX, and those mean old republicans just won't let Obama do what he wants without question. Because we all really know Obama is the light, and he has all the answers...

That's why the Economy is booming so robustly at the moment... after all Obama inherited a 5.7% unemployment rate and turned it into a 9.3% unemployment rate and Quadrupled the national debt.

After all, why should reckless spending be a reason for a downgraded credit rating... its not like they do that to private individuals that overtly live beyond their means... but OH! They do that, don't they.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

After all, why should reckless spending be a reason for a downgraded credit rating...

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Hello again, smoothy:

Yeah, I heard Michelle Bachmann saying she was right to vote against raising the debt ceiling.. She's deluded too.

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

I let someone else answer the OP so apparently it is you calling the National Review editors the liars. Feel free to refute the facts they presented.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

reckless spending

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Definitely! Seven trillion dollars for two wars (one totally unnecessary), a faulty and unwanted Medicare Part D, and a dramatic government intervention to bail out damaged financial institutions and a weakening economy. Plus the debt ceiling raised seven times in eight years! Totally irresponsible!

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unwanted Medicare Part D,

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Thank you Teddy Kennedy !

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a dramatic government intervention to bail out damaged financial institutions

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Another huge mistake. You forgot stimulus .

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Hello again, smoothy:

Yeah, I heard Michelle Bachmann saying she was right to vote against raising the debt ceiling.. She's deluded too.

Bwa, ha ha ha.

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Deluded... the people that think you can recklessly spend your way out of a financial crisis that was brought on by reckless spending in the first place are who are truly deluded.

If anyone else does that... your credit score goes in the tank. And see what happens then. Obama isn't a real deity as much as some people might believe... just because he says make it so... doesn't make it so.

Funny how S&P missed the recession, and even funnier, how everybody and his mama started buying treasury bonds after the downgrade, and Fitch, the other rating service just affirmed the AAA rating of the US. Hmmmm, maybe you wingers have your facts confused, especially when you listen to a financial institution, talk about economic policy, and low information partisan, opinion, that doesn't crunch the numbers.

That's why the downgrade is owned by the TEA party. They are the one who tied the raising of the debt ceiling, to the debt. That's like trying to tell the mortgage company, unless they lower their rates, you won't pay.

Try it, let me know how that works out for you.

Separate the apples from the oranges, and you will know how much fruit you have.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Funny how S&P missed the recession, and even funnier, how everybody and his mama started buying treasury bonds after the downgrade, and Fitch, the other rating service just affirmed the AAA rating of the US. Hmmmm, maybe you wingers have your facts confused, especially when you listen to a financial institution, talk about economic policy, and low information partisan, opinion, that doesn't crunch the numbers.

Thats why the downgrade is owned by the TEA party. They are the one who tied the raising of the debt ceiling, to the debt. Thats like trying to tell the mortgage company, unless they lower their rates, you won't pay.

Try it, let me know how that works out for ya.

Separate the apples from the oranges, and you will know how much fruit you have.

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Gee Only a Democrat would blame a group that has NOTHING to do with the current situation that they themselves cause and are responsible for.

The Tea Party didn't waste that money... Democrats did. The Tea Party didn't block the only legislation that would have worked towards correcting the current situation... Democrats did.

The Tea Party didn't control both the house and the Senate the last 4.5 years, and they didn't have the White house the last 2.5 years... Democrats did.

Democrats OWN this mess... THEY created it... denying it only indicates a psychological break with reality. Which would require treatment and/or medication.

They made it worse for everybody, and that's their plan, that's the republican plan, block, destroy, and obstruct. Hey they said so, I didn't make that up.

And to think the far right has the only plan, is crazy. There are many, its just the Ryan plan is the ONLY one YOU want. The far right will never listen to anyone but another far right winger, so what's the point of talking to you?

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They made it worse for everybody, and thats their plan, thats the republican plan, block, destroy, and obstruct. hey they said so, I didn't make that up.

And to think the far right has the only plan, is crazy. There are many, its just the Ryan plan is the ONLY one YOU want. The far right will never listen to anyone but another far right winger, so whats the point of talking to you?

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Really... the Concept of limiting your spending to what you bring in is crazy?

SO... are you crazy for not maxing out your credit cards... and taking loans you can't pay back? Or are you smart for living within your means... which is EXACTLY what the Tea Party demands the government do.

Obstruct... boy.. you have a set of balls to even make that stupid claim...

Obama isn't God... and you want to talk obstruction... Look at your lesser god Harry Reid... who refused to even allow a vote on legislation passed by a majority of the House... THAT is obstruction. The Democrats are obstructing... the Republicans are doing exactly what they have the right to do.

You do understand the concept of co-equal branches of government... you do understand the Office of President isn't a God... a King... or an Emperor.

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taking loans you can't pay back?

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Bush did it.

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Bush did it.

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Obama borrowed 4 times more in his first year in office than Bush had as a national deficit after 8 years.. In fact Obama has borrowed not only more than Bush did... he borrowed more than EVERY president since George Washington including Bush did... COMBINED.

But then the man has never had a real job in his life... the concept of living within a budget is beyond his ability to comprehend. So much for being the "smartest President we ever had" People with Downs Syndrome (at least those trained to be self sufficient) can do it... yet Obama can't.

But then... if he was a real man... he'd take ownership of his mistakes and shortcomings and stop the finger pointing. Its clear he's not enough of an adult or a man to do that.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Obama borrowed 4 times more in his first year in office than Bush did in 8 years. In fact Obama has borrows not only more than Bush did...he boroowed more than EVERY president since George Washington including Bush did....COMBINED.

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SOMEone has to pay Bush's huge debts.

People do have to live within there means, and by all accounts we do, despite what the low information voters (Tea Party) says. But during a recession, somebody has to fill the void, during an emergency man made or natural, somebody has to fill the void. We have a void to be filled, who fills it? And by your logic about affording stuff, why are their still loop holes you wingers refuse to close? How come a billionaire can deduct all kinds of crap, and NOT create one job except in a third world country, and bring it back for you to buy?

How can states like TEXAS create so many jobs without raising the per capita income for the state, while having the poorest population, and the worse schools?

Who does your right wing plan work for? Not government, Not the people the government is supposed to serve, not the states and the people in it. WHO?

But blame everyone but yourself, because in truth, we all own some of the mess. Not just Nancy, and Harry, Or Barrack. But it gets you guys excited when those people are mentioned right? Someone to throw rocks at.

If aliens did invade the EARTH, whose side would you be on then?? Don't answer, you probably would blame that on Obama too!

You can't even debate a winger, because he has his own facts, and EVERYBODY else is wrong.

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SOMEone has to pay Bush's huge debts.

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Ok, so how much are Obama's huge debts?

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Obama borrowed 4 times more in his first year in office than Bush had as a national deficit after 8 years..

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Nope, he unhid debt figures that Bush hid: Obama Bans Gimmicks, and Deficit Will Rise - NYTimes.com

Also to refute your following point:
Has Obama Spent More Than Bush? Lets look at real numbers. | Cafetax

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SOMEone has to pay Bush's huge debts.

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Bushes debt was a drop in the Bucket comapred to Obamas...


Obama not only DIDN'T make an any atempt to pay ANY of those... but he made them 4 times worse than the EVER were under Bush.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

People with Downs Syndrome (at least those trained to be self sufficient) can do it....yet Obama can't.

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There is nobody on this website that sinks lower than you. Congratulations.

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Nope, he unhid debt figures that Bush hid: Obama Bans Gimmicks, and Deficit Will Rise - NYTimes.com

Also to refute your following point:
Has Obama Spent More Than Bush? Lets look at real numbers. | Cafetax

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Really... those are BS and not at all factual... why don['t you just post the White house propaganda. Oh... those ARE the Whitehouse Propaganda. Not credible unbiased sources.

The New York times... you can't BE more biased than they are.


I suppose Obamas 9.3% unemployment is far better than the 5.7% unemployment Bush left office with.

Explain that to the Millions of people that had jobs under Bush that haven't under Obama... or is that their imagination too?