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Originally Posted by Curlyben

Well this sums it up for me: COMMENT: Shop all the Croydon looters (From Croydon Guardian)

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Agree with that report.

Yup... for almost a quarter century every President has been Ivy League .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

yup ...for almost a quarter century every President has been Ivy League .

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It's less about the school they came from and more about the corporate control of your government.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Agree with that report.

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Indeed. Regardless of any political debate on underlying tensions, there's just no excuse for the rioting. The fact that so many youths and even kids think this behavoiour is acceptable just makes me question whether some people should be allowed to breed...

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Originally Posted by QLP

Regardless of any political debate on underlying tensions, there's just no excuse for the rioting. The fact that so many youths and even kids think this behavoiour is acceptable

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Hello again, Q:

It's obvious that you're watching things progress from the comfort of your home WITH a full fridge.. If you WEREN'T in such a position, your empathy might lie elsewhere.

Now, I'd LIKE to say that the needs of the disadvantaged get addressed in the NORMAL course of events... But, they DON'T. In fact, they get CUT.

After the riots, they WILL be, though. If that's what it takes to get your problems addressed, then THAT'S what it takes. I WISH it were different, but WISHING doesn't make it so.

excon

So these 'disadvantaged' have Blackberry's and presumably access to computers to create their Facebook and twitter accounts?

Hello Exy.

If it weren't for the fact that the rioters were planning their next attacks on their blackberrys (price £100-£200) whilst I was trying to text my son to see if he was safe on my £15 brick of a mobile phone my empathies might lie elsewhere.

Should I go off and loot myself a decent phone then as my wages don't run to one?

Edit - beat me to the punchline there bear lol.

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Originally Posted by albear

So these 'disadvantaged' have Blackberry's and presumably access to computers to create their facebook and twitter accounts?

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Hello again, albear:

Sure. I don't know about blackberry's, but smart phones, Facebook and twitter, you betcha. What?? Because they have a phone means they're not poor?? You need to get out more.

excon

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Hello again, albear:

Sure. I dunno about blackberry's, but smart phones, facebook and twitter, you betcha. What??? Because they have a phone means they're not poor???? You need to get out more.

excon

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A phone? Not at all, a Blackberry and the funds to run one, yea, I don't think they're as disadvantaged as your making them out to be.

Hello again, my friends across the pond:

I'm not saying that there aren't SOME who take advantage of situations and loot just for fun. I'm not even saying some of 'em don't have blackberry's..

What I AM saying, is that the young of your city have NOTHING to do. They used to have youth clubs in the inner city's they could go to, but because of budget considerations, they got shut down. The ones that stayed open tried to CHARGE the youth to enter...

Now, when you have unemployed youth, and you can KEEP THEM OCCUPIED doing stuff in a club, CLOSING the club, EVEN if you can't afford it, is like shooting yourself in the foot.

Now, I know some pinched nose politicians are going to say they HAD to do it. But, I don't think it was a good idea. You?

excon

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Originally Posted by albear

a phone? not at all, a Blackberry and the funds to run one,

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Hello again, albear:

I have an Iphone. I have access to the internet, email, twitter and texting.. It's costs me $89 US per month. I think MOST people can afford that.

Blackberry's?? Hmpf... I'll bet one of those pinched nosed politicians put out that bit of nonsense.

excon

My Android phone cost $55 a month, and that includes the cell service and free apps such as Facebook and Twitter widgets.

Hello again,

Let me add this.. Rioting isn't good. Looting somebody's store ISN'T good. Burning stuff isn't good... Shooting unarmed fathers isn't good either.

The point I'm making is that these problems are SOCIETAL in nature, and NOT RACIAL. Yes, the inner cities are stocked with brown people. Ours too. But, I again say that it's a SOCIETAL problem, and NOT a racial one, as has been suggested.

excon

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Hello agian, albear:

I have an Iphone. I have access to the internet, email, texting, and all my friends.. It's costs me $89 US per month. I think MOST people can afford that.

Blackberry's??? Hmpf... I'll bet one of those pinched nosed politicians put out that bit of nonsense.

excon

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That's about £55 a month, you seem to be on quite the high price tarrif there, there's no way I could afford that. - even the $55 a month is too high for me.

So if a lot of these youths don't have jobs and are dissadvantaged, how are they affording to pay for luxury items?

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Originally Posted by albear

So if alot of these youths dont have jobs and are dissadvantaged, how are they affording to pay for luxury items?

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That would make for a great university research/survey project.

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Originally Posted by albear

So if alot of these youths dont have jobs and are dissadvantaged, how are they affording to pay for luxury items?

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Hello again, albear:

Ok, let's say you're right. And, I do agree with you that they CAN'T afford cell phones...

Yet, they HAVE them.. So, either they're NOT disadvantaged, or they don't spend their money very well. Frankly, I'll vote for the latter.

But, in either case, so what? Are you saying that it's OK, if the truly disadvantaged riot, and they can be identified by their LACK of cell phones? Or are you saying that a wealthier class of youngsters is doing it for no reason at all except to have fun?

I'm not sure that one of those problems is any better than the other.

excon

I think that saying they are rioting because they are disadvantaged is incorrect, and yes based on reports I've heard and seen they seem to be doing it for fun, not out of boredom or having nothing to do, but it seems to me to be because of the thrill of doing something they know they shouldn't and apparently getting away with it (so far).

BBC News - London rioters: 'Showing the rich we do what we want'

I think there are a few clues around:

Family on £42,000 a year benefits because they are 'better off unemployed' - Telegraph

Average UK pay is around £20k, and that is average, not minimum.

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: You are better off on benefits

Just wanted to share the brighter side of things:

Eyewitness: Riots cleanup | World news | guardian.co.uk

When I first saw this on TV I was thinking the Brits finally came to their senses and overthrew the monarchy. Wrong.

Then I thought the Brits came to their senses and got rid of the puppet PM. Wrong.

When I found out it was allegedly due to a man or girl being killed. I scratched my head in wonderment wondering if the Brits have finally lost it altogether.

Being better off on benefits. Just who's bright idea is/was that baloney? Collect free money for just breathing every day will only led to revolt by the peasants.

I thought they rioted due to the extra immigrints coming into their country going directly onto benefits. Now THAT would be something to riot over.

The sleeping Americans need to riot over the recent Debt Crisis backlash. But they won't as they consume way too much fluoride dumbing them down. Also all the antidepressants are just fluoride in pill form. Wonder why everybody is so docile in the USA? Look at the over prescribed pills for the answer.