Not true . Again it was Ryan who put the Republican plan on the table. The Dems refused to consider any of it.

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Hello again, tom:

I'm not so sure... You'll remember during the health care debate, Obama asked for serious proposals from Republicans... They offered nothing in return except NO.

Ok, they finally did. Obama told them NO.

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Actually, what Obama told them from the beginning was, "I won." He has only talked to Republicans because he has to now.

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Where in the plan does it make seniors and parents of children with disabilities "fend for themselves?" It doesn't.

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Hello again, Steve:

We've had these kind of la la conversations before... Of course, if DOESN'T say seniors will have to fend for themselves... But who is going to fend for them if the government won't? You've had this idea that we take care of everybody - PERIOD, END OF STORY, NO MATTER WHAT.

Of course, if I believed that, I'd be against Obama's health care plan, and I'd destroy Medicare too.. But it's not true. When you take away money for people to PAY their health care bills, and there's NOBODY there to step in, people go WITHOUT health care.

excon

See, you're arguing the same nonsense. It's NOT TRUE. Ryan's plan doesn't make granny fend for herself.

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See, you're arguing the same nonsense. It's NOT TRUE. Ryan's plan doesn't make granny fend for herself.

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Hello again, Steve:

I don't know what happens to your addition when you consider right wing stuff... Ryan's plan is to save the government MONEY. It's saves it from SOMEWHERE. That means SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW, SOMEONE'S medical bills ain't going to get paid... When you take away money from people to pay their health care bills, they don't get health care... There ain't no health care fairy. If you find one, have his brother, the Mercedes Benz fairy, give me a call.

Ryan SAYS what he says because he won't admit, like tom does, that Medicare will be DISMANTLED... So, I don't much CARE what he says.

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Ryan SAYS what he says because he won't admit, like tom does, that Medicare will be DISMANTLED..

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#20 clearly I was speaking about social security . I was speaking of the Bush reform plan that the Dems would not consider.
Ryan likewise is proposing a reform . That means there is an alternate plan beyond "dismantle " or the word you used "crush" .

Whatever ;why argue semantics ?

Here is the Obama plan to save Medicare :

1. Tax increases for 2% of the population .

2. Military spending cuts even though the military has already absorbed close to $800 billion in cuts since Obama became President

3. Task the unaccountable Independent Payment Advisory Board to make cuts to Medicare.

Makes one wonder who is going to crush Medicare ,and which patients the President prefers to deny.

The Ryan plan allows for some patient choice. Obama's... not so much.

We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debt, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our calling and our creeds...[we will] have no time to think, no means of calling our miss-managers to account but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers... And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for[ another]... till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery... And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.Thomas Jefferson

What sort of speech did you expect from a world class Blowhard like Obama. The idiot still thinks after almost 2.5 years someone else is responsible for his own excessive spending in the last 2.5 years

Hip waders weren't enough to protect you from the crap spewing out of his mouth.

I suppose if he knocked up Michelle again he'd blame that on Bush too.

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We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debt, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our calling and our creeds...[we will] have no time to think, no means of calling our miss-managers to account but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers... And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for[ another]... till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery... And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.Thomas Jefferson

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Hi Tom.

I am not up on my American history but isn't Jefferson talking about paying taxes to England? You have your own parliament now.

Tut

Tut , this quote was stated in a broader reference of his philosophical differences with other founders who were more inclined to expand the national government through the establishment of a national bank(which was a very controversial issue in the 1st century of the U.S.). This is a quote from his letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816 ,many years after the Revolution and his own term as President.

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Tut , this quote was stated in a broader reference of his philosophical differences with other founders who were more inclined to expand the national government through the establishment of a national bank(which was a very controversial issue in the 1st century of the U.S.). This is a quote from his letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816 ,many years after the Revolution and his own term as President.

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Hi Tom,

Thanks for the clarification. As I said my knowledge of American history is rather poor.

Tut

Oddly enough, just a few days after DC approved online gambling, the DOJ and FBI shut down 3 major online gambling sites. I guess they didn't like the competition.

Exit question, how much of DC's online gambling bill is set aside to treat gambling addictions?

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the DOJ and FBI shut down 3 major online gambling sites. I guess they didn't like the competition.

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They shut the sites down because of illegal activity. From the link you provided:

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Prosecutors claim the poker companies arranged for money received from U.S. gamblers to be disguised as payments to nonexistent online merchants selling bogus goods such as jewelry and golf balls.

They also claim one-third of the money processed went directly to the firms as part of the "rake" charged to players for every hand played online.

The indictment alleges the firms hired third parties to open accounts at financial institutions to help process payments using fake companies as fronts. Four individuals have been charged with helping disguise the payments.

PokerStars and FullTilt Poker allegedly persuaded a few small local banks facing financial difficulties to process some payments in exchange for multimillion-dollar investments in the banks. One bank named by prosecutors is SunFirst Bank in Saint George, Utah.

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I imagine the DOJ and FBI would shut down any business doing the same thing, don't you think?

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They also claim one-third of the money processed went directly to the firms as part of the "rake" charged to players for every hand played online.

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Hello again:

They shut the sites down because they have no way of taxing them and they compete with the government's OWN interests.

In terms of the rake, the bank charged processing fees. If the sites felt they needed to pay banks MORE than that to handle their transactions, then it's cost of doing business. Although, I DOUBT they did pay them, because they made PLENTY just processing the transactions... Were the fees exorbitant?? No.

Were they looking out for their own gambling interests?? Of course... You don't think law enforcement had anything to do with it, do you? Bwa, ha ha ha.

Excon

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Oddly enough, just a few days after DC approved online gambling, the DOJ and FBI shut down 3 major online gambling sites. I guess they didn't like the competition.

Exit question, how much of DC's online gambling bill is set aside to treat gambling addictions?

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None... its going to likely go for welfare and free abortions on demand for welfare queens. That's the sort of mindset the DC people have.

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Oddly enough, just a few days after DC approved online gambling, the DOJ and FBI shut down 3 major online gambling sites. I guess they didn't like the competition.

Exit question, how much of DC's online gambling bill is set aside to treat gambling addictions?

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Traditionally States have justified their number running as a means to prop up education financing. It is a charade and the proof is in the fact that no state can boost of increased student performance from the revenues.

This is interesting . While many states permit vice, and collect revenues from it, in the case of lottery, and now on-line gaming ,not only is the state or municipality legalizing it ;they will actively promote it (and if I judge from the frequency of lottery commercials in NY... aggressively) .

Steve ,they won't use a dime for gambling addiction awareness. It would serve their interest as much as a pusher promoting drug rehab.

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Steve ,they won't use a dime for gambling addiction awareness. It would serve their interest as much as a pusher promoting drug rehab.

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No, but like Texas I'm sure they'll offer "resources" so you can "play responsibly."

I keep waiting for Nobama to appoint a Casino Zcar. Likely a NY Italian with Mob ties... explaining to fagedaboutit... and compare Casinos to Firehall Bingo, and kicking up a "taste" to the DNC

Hello again,

The wonderful Paul Ryan had a town meeting yesterday... He got booed. See it here. Now, the left MAY have snuck in a couple of ringers, but the whole crowd??

Ryan was told, in no uncertain terms, by his OWN right wing constituents, to TAX THE RICH!

excon

How about taxing the 47% that pay NO income tax now...

Let THEM share a stake in this. They suck at the public tit... let them pay something to feed it.