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I'm curious as to why our State Department would label this idiot's first amendment expression as "un-American." Wasn't it entirely American to burn our flag or place the crucifix of those bitter gun clingers in a jar or urine and call it art?
Exactly when is it OK to offend Muslims? Ever?
And the Democrats don't understand its stuff like THIS that makes most Americans question if Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Christians don't get the same respect or treatment from this administration in our own country any more than we get from ANY muslim country on the planet..
Isn't it "un-American" to be intolerant of any religion?
Tell that to the Atheists and agnostics that have fought against any public display by a Christian or Jewish group or individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
And incidentally... Labling Islam simply a religion is ignoring reality. Islam also is a political system, it's a legal system... as it dominates every aspect of anyone unfortunate enough to be subjected to its life.
And it's that, that makes it far more dangerous. Islam calls for and demands essentually a complete dismantling of not only the American Constitution, but taking away of the complete bill of rights, and the legal system.
Islam is Anti-American (and Anti-western) at its core... and incompatible with human rights, and civil liberties. And is incompatible and completely intollerant of other religions anyplace they have ammassed suficient numbers.
Well I wasn't singling out Islam I know it is more then a religion. On private property you can display whatever you like on Public property then you have to deal with a separation between church and state.
Me personally I am an Atheists and if the guy across the street wanted to put a Big Cross up in his yard I would help him put it up. And if the Government wanted to put the 10 Commandments in a state park I wouldn't care either. I just ignore it cause it doesn't change the way I live one bit.
Correct me if I am wrong but Islam has been around since about the 7th Century. So how can it be Anti-American "at it's core" since America wasn't even a country then?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Christianity is Older... and Judaism is thousands of years older than Christianity.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
There is nothing in Islam that is compatible with either our constitution or our Bill of rights. Its incompatible with all other religions... and Atheists and Agnostics should be particularly concerned because there is no such thing as separation of church and state where Islam takes over... the Religion and its flunkies WILL control every aspect of your life.
Christians never wanted or tried to do that. Wait until the Islamic cleric nutcase demands your sister or mother be stoned to death for refusing to wear a potato sack over their head, or talked to a man not related to them... or drove a car or any other number of things.
Ok now I know you are crazy. At first I just thought you were crazy but thinking we are going to be taken over by Islam confirms it.
Check your history again, Christianity, and Islam were born of the same tree, and as Judaism, share the same old testament between them. Hmmmmm! Wonder how that happened? Or why?
The same can be said for ALL religions. What's new??Quote:
And incidentally... Labling Islam simply a religion is ignoring reality. Islam also is a political system, it's a legal system... as it dominates every aspect of anyone unfortunate enough to be subjected to its life.
Really... open a history book. There is 1,300 years of past actions in the name of Islam backing up what I said... their own docterine of telling muslims to lie to non-muslims in oder to placate them so they can get their way in the end...Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
There is WHAT as evidence that contradicts what I said, or History for that matter? That comes from a non-muslim source.
Funny how Atheists have a major problem with displays of Christianity... but are perfectly happy to live under Sharia, which contrary to your belief they wish to empose on everyone as their goal of Calephate covering the planet.
Show another religion that Demands a specific code of laws, a specific political system, a specific code you WILL live by of everything will be brought to bear on you. That will dictate every aspoect of your life cradle to grave.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
I'm a Christian... it doesn't exist in Christianity, I know it also doesn't exist in Judaism... and none of the eastern religions I know of... EXCEPT Islam.
There is a concept that is very unislamic...
"Render unto Caeser what is Caesers" which shows Christianity ISN't anything like Islam. Islam wants to control EVERYTHING... the only major religion that does.
Christianity does that, and has 10 commandments that are to this day punishable by law. American law is based on Christian principle, ask any American who is a Christian.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesars" and to God what is Gods.
Actually that is very much Islamic. I am not a Christian, or a Muslim, and you both look more alike than you are different to me.
You are acting like they are the same... when they are nothing alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Where exactly in the Christian world does the church run everything, the legal, political, legislative, the private everything including how you act at home and what you can and can not do with your wife, your livestock... ALONG with the Church?
This happens in every muslim majority country... and the few that don't control every aspect of your life... they are attempting to take that too. Witness the trouble they are having in Turkey where the Islamist whack jobs can't stand people making their own decisions.. they are trying to force Sharia law down everyone's throats there too.
Look in Iran... typical Islamic Nation... fake elections everything run by Imams. Sharia law rules and women get stoned to death for not wearing the mandated potato sack outdoors.
Look at Saudi Arabia... the pillar of tollerance of Christianity and every other faith... and I'm being sarcastic there. There is nothing inclusive or tollerant about that country.
That wasn't the question, Spit. The question was why is our State Dept calling it "un-American" to exercise our guaranteed rights? It is intolerant to burn the Koran, I think it's absolutely the wrong thing to do intentionally poke all Muslims in the eye this way. It's also protected by our constitution, so while it may be intolerant our government should avoid calling the very rights it's charged with protecting, "un-American."Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
P.S. Go Cowboys :)
When you say they, you talk of a few that have power, and influence, I see the same thing here now, with the ones who have power and influence (or a TV camera stuck in their face). I see no difference.
You both holler I am right, and he is wrong, and that's the way its been with all the tribes when they have an area of contention. Was not Christianity spread more by war than peace? Ever think of what became of the ones they conquered?
It's a matter of history really, and because you no longer look to conquer with bullets and bayonets, doesn't mean everyone has reached that level of technology, or dominance with the new way of doing things, as compared to the old. Heck if all you got is rocks and spears, that's all you got, until someone sells you a rifle.
Sorry Smoothy but you may take a higher view of your religion, because it is more technically advanced in some ways, but I see both religions, sitting on the same arguments and ideology of intolerance, advanced by true FEAR, and Ignorance of each other. I also see that changing in time, and you (and them) seeing more what I see, the amount of similarities, as opposed to pointing out the very small differences that you see through prejudiced eyes.
For sure, if a billion, and a half people were so intent as you say of taking over the world, I have no doubt that they would have done so centuries ago. But like Christianity, it comes in many forms and varieties, each with its own dogma and "differences" that they tout. But they all say they are right.
I see no differences between you.
I think you should look a little further back, Ex. Say about 1300 years. Mohammed fought Jews in corpus. Then there's the Temple Mount, the Crusades, the Ottomans... and of course it didn't even start with Mohammed. Arabs and Persians have been fighting Hebrews and other Western tribes since prehistory.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Who treated the other worse is kind of a silly, pointless exercise in historical speculation.
I have a real problem with burning books.It is ugly ,unChristian . If anyone is looking for moral equivalence ,compare it to the destruction of the Buddha statues at Bamyan by the Taliban .
Intolerance is a silly word to use here. Intolerance of evil is acceptable. But I think the clown pastor who's flock is smaller than a local chapter of the skinheads is displaying the same type of evil he condemns.
Its more than a few... most Muslims are lemmings that believe anything they are told if an Imam does the telling. If an Imam said the world was flat... they would believe without question the world is flat. They have power because Muslims give them that power.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
THOSE people have the power because Muslims #1. Think the same as they do, #2 or if they don't they automatically believe whatever they are told to believe, even when facts show the opposite.
If they do either... they share the blame.
The truly ignorant, refuse to remember history or the lessons it teaches us...
I see 1,300 years of oppression and subjegation of non-muslims by muslims... I see 1,300 years of Muslims being subjegated by other muslims. I don't ignore them because a political party tells me to ignore that in favor of political correctness.
Incidentally... I'm not catholic... the pope doesn't run my life, either my private life or my religious one.
You are ignoring the entire spread of Islam... NONE of it was peaceful, NONE of it was in lands full of Aetheists...
Islam has destroyed Christian Churches and Cathedrals in every land it conquered... it has killed every person who refused to convert... and its still happening today.
The "Mosque" two blocks from Ground Zero is a Victory Mosque, 1,300 years of history shows it is a recurring sybol of any site they conquer. And it was Muslims that brought down the Twin Towers, Not CHristians, not Taoists, not Budhists... the lunatic Imam who wants to build it has preached anti-american hatred and wants Sharia Law in the United states. He is on audio and video doing it... you must have seen or heard his rants by now.
Personally... IF they ever try that in my lifetime... I will kill any person who tries to force ANY aspect of Sharia Upon me or my family. I will kill as many Muslims as I can before I get stoopped because I will NOT live under Sharia or tolerate it in my own country.
And I am far from being alone, there will be millions right behind me... It's clear Obama wants sharia, and the Democrat party is fine with it too, it's just Christian symbolism that they fight against. Why do you think the Democrats want to disarm the American Public so badly? Because an armed populace will fight against something they believe strongly against. And its an armed Populace that will keep this country free of Islamic corruption. Heck I'll be the first to say our system isn't perfect... but in the same breath I'll say there is absolutely NOTHING I like about the Islamic system. Nothing, nada, niente, zip...
And a HUGE difference between Christianity and Islam you failed to mention.. you can say that here in a Christian country... in an Islamic country you would have been beheaded or stoned to death... if you were lucky enough not to get 100 lashes first.
Look what the Taliban does... look what happens in Iran to those who disagree with Adolph the Madman, or any of the Imams that control the puppet show they call a country.
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
For a Constitution loving Tea Partier, you don't have a lot of faith in it, do you? The thing you have in common with the Koran burners is your FEAR that our Constitution will collapse in the face of some Muslims TRYING to change it...
Our Constitution has withstood challenges bigger than THIS in the past, yet it remains intact. Certainly, it CAN withstand any of today's assaults. I think it'll make it. You? Not so much. I don't know why.
excon
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