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But the church does not survive on tithing alone, it has to fundraise continuously and basically beg their membership for money. It doesn't help that the rampant pedophilia adds up to very expensive bills in the end that someone has to pay for.

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Well, personally, I think they government should beg tax payers for money. One of my biggest pet peeves of taxes is, how by God you'd better have that return filed by April 15th, but they can take their sweet time getting your refund to you. And if it takes them years, do you get interest? No. I also despise the double standard applied to taxes. If I don't pay my taxes year after year, you can almost bet I'm going to do some time, yet a multi billion dollar earner gets off. Justice isn't free, it's paid for, and if you can't afford it, you're screwed. I'm not just flopping my jaw, I've seen it, first hand, with first hand PERSONAL expirences. (not on TV)

I have no problem with the tax collectors doing a little fund raising. In fact, I've come to realize politicians are already quite good at it.

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But the church does not survive on tithing alone, it has to fundraise continuously and basically beg their membership for money. It doesn't help that the rampant pedophilia adds up to very expensive bills in the end that someone has to pay for.

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There's never been any pedophilia in my church to pay for, rampant or otherwise.

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There's never been any pedophilia in my church to pay for, rampant or otherwise.

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Excellent! Keep it up!

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Excellent! Keep it up!

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That's the plan. All of our workers undergo a background check or they don't work.

Good news, after shifting porkulus money to get around spending restraints, Democrats have "pledged to turn over a new leaf in 2010, beginning Oct. 1."

Didn't they pledge that back in 2006? And you guys fell for it again.

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Correct, so the events would have unfolded regardless of who won the presidency. That was my point.

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I'll agree to that.

But my point is that while we are in the deepest financial trouble EVER, Obama is pushing spending at an unparalelled rate. His agenda is obiviously NOT economic recovery. So what can it be?

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... give it to the government!

At least that's what I heard an old man say a few years back, kinda stuck with me.

Now that the government is inches away from owning one of the largest companies in the world, who knows that interesting turns this will take?

It's a sure fire thing for any company, let it go to an organization with bottomless pockets (the federal government) after all, there is no limit to the amount of money they can borrow right? All it cost is a little inflation, but surely our unemployed masses can afford it.

What's ironic is, I've often said if any private business were ran like the federal government, they'd be bankrupt. Afterall, no business can run in a defecit year after year after year. Of course, I guess if you got big enough and did, you'd just be bought out by the federal government.. err... wait a minute... there is an error in the program here... a loop in the system.

So how much longer before this program crashes and we go the way of Rome and Russia?

Everyone all set to stand in line for stale bread at your local supercenter?

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Back in the 60s a blues band called "Ten Years After" wrote a song called "I'd like to Change the World". Here are some of the lyrics from the first verse:

Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are no rich no more?

I think that this pretty much sums up the Obama fiscal policy in one sentence.

Elliot

In 1963 Bob Dylan wrote a song called 'The Times They Are a-Changin'. Back then the world must have felt like it was changing fast. Well its changing even faster now. You need to keep up...

Or just hit the bottle and anything else you can get your hands on like Dylan did, and rant on like a raving lunatic.

Eawell... I guess it's going to be all right... going to have to be right? What are we going to do about it anyway, is there a congressmen reading this thread? Mr Obama, are you there?

Didn't think so..

Guess we could pull a lot of songs from that era - blue skies sun shine what a day to take a walk in the park...

You ever stop and wonder if the powers that be, sometimes late at night, sit down in front of their computer and quietly read threads like this? You think any of them have ever taken a stroll through the politcal threads of AMHD? Sometimes I wonder, I mean, they are all human like us. Surely they browse forums once in a while...

Imagine, Obama posting in the electronics forum how to hook up his TV set...

George Will : Have We Got a Deal For You - Townhall.com

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Washington mandates that Detroit must build cars for which there is much less demand than Washington demands that there be. Then Washington tries to manufacture demand with a $7,500 tax credit for purchasers of the electric Chevrolet Volt, supposedly GM's salvation. So, GM is to be saved by a product people will not buy without a cash incentive larger than the income tax paid by 83.4 percent of America's families.. .

Besides, the government that runs Amtrak (which has lost $23 billion, in today's dollars, just since 1990) vows to make GM efficient.. .



Washington's "rescue" of GM began because GM is "too big to fail," and bankruptcy is (well, was) "unthinkable." Big? GM's market capitalization, $375.8 million on Wednesday, is about the size of California Pizza Kitchen's ($340 million) -- is it too big to fail? -- and one-eleventh that of Harley-Davidson ($4.3 billion). Fail? If GM has not already failed, New Coke was a success.

The administration is determined to prop up GM as a jobs program for the UAW and Midwestern states rich in electoral votes. This frenzy will intensify as the administration's decisions deepen the debacle.

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Maybe Obama and congress can actually use reason and logic rather than emotion and political ambition to make better decisions for this country as a whole.






G&P

What I find interesting is the money Washington poured into GM to avoid bankruptcy, how ever many billion dollars (I've lost count) later, look where GM is.

So what happened to all that money?