I told you libs you would have egg on your face after the vp debate. You didn't trust me!

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

I told you libs you would have egg on your face after the vp debate. You didn't trust me!

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*wiping the egg off Gal's chin*

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

And one of those choices is to have the baby, but you think that's insane.

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To have an inbred baby because of rape, yes that is insane.

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

To have an inbred baby because of rape, yes that is insane.

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Who said anything about "inbred?" You guys get more and more dramatic all the time.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Who said anything about "inbred?" You guys get more and more dramatic all the time.

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The comment from Sarah Palin had mentioned rape and incest. Incest would assume rape, and a resulting child would be inbred. Do you want her actual quote?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Do you want her actual quote?

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Hello Wgirl:

I would. You betcha, golly gee.;);)

excon

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

The comment from Sarah Palin had mentioned rape and incest. Incest would assume rape, and a resulting child would be inbred. Do you want her actual quote?

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We assume too much, incest may likely involve rape but it doesn't assume rape. I only referred to rape victims in saying it isn't insane, "there is nothing insane about a rape victim carrying a child to term." Is there? What is insane about it? In fact, why is it necessarily insane to carry a child from an incestuous relationship? They aren't all defective children, do they hold no value?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Wgirl:

I would. You betcha, golly gee.;);)

excon

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Here you go, exy.

GIBSON: In the time I have left, I want to talk about some social issues.

PALIN: OK.

GIBSON: Roe v. Wade, do you think it should be reversed?

PALIN: I think it should and I think that states should be able to decide that issue... I am pro-life. I do respect other people's opinion on this, also, and I think that a culture of life is best for America... What I want to do, when elected vice president, with John McCain, hopefully, be able to reach out and work with those who are on the other side of this issue, because I know that we can all agree on the need for and the desire for fewer abortions in America and greater support for adoption, for other alternatives that women can and should be empowered to embrace, to allow that culture of life. That's my opinion on this, Charlie.

GIBSON: John McCain would allow abortion in cases of rape and incest. Do you believe in it only in the case where the life of the mother is in danger?

PALIN: That is my opinion.

GIBSON: Would you change and accept it in rape and incest?

PALIN: My opinion is that abortion allowed if the life of the mother is endangered. Please understand me on this. I do understand McCain's position on this. I do understand others who are very passionate about this issue who have a differing.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

In fact, why is it necessarily insane to carry a child from an incestuous relationship? They aren't all defective children, do they hold no value?

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I sure would not want my daughter to carry to term a child her father sired. Of course, I would have made sure such a thing never happened in the first place.

And yes, incest is often a form of rape, especially between adult and under-age child. Rape doesn't have to involve screaming and fighting.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

We assume too much, incest may likely involve rape but it doesn't assume rape. I only referred to rape victims in saying it isn't insane, "there is nothing insane about a rape victim carrying a child to term." Is there? What is insane about it? In fact, why is it necessarily insane to carry a child from an incestuous relationship? They aren't all defective children, do they hold no value?

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It's not insane for a woman to carry a child who resulted from rape, even if it was a result of incest. It's her body it's her choice, and if she chooses to carry the child, she should be allowed that right. Having that choice, however, should come with the ability to choose the alternative - termination.

Oh, wait, forgot to comment on the actual topic:

Sarah Palin should have thrown out some names. Yes, it might have looked like she was endorsing a few publications, but at least it wouldn't have made her look like an idiot (which is what dodging the question did, IMO).

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And yes, incest is often a form of rape, especially between adult and under-age child. Rape doesn't have to involve screaming and fighting.

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Then we agree, "often" or "likely" but we don't "assume" it would be rape. Right?

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Originally Posted by jillianleab

It's not insane for a woman to carry a child who resulted from rape, even if it was a result of incest. It's her body it's her choice, and if she chooses to carry the child, she should be allowed that right. Having that choice, however, should come with the ability to choose the alternative - termination.

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Thanks Jillian, that's an answer I can respect.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Then we agree, "often" or "likely" but we don't "assume" it would be rape. Right?

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If you don't think that incest is rape then what do you think incest is? Parental love taken a little too far?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Then we agree, "often" or "likely" but we don't "assume" it would be rape. Right?

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More likely than not, incest would be rape. "Not rape" could be incest between siblings.

I sure hope Sarah Palin reads The Week. It's one of my favorite news magazines. Maybe I'll spring for a gift subscription for her for Christmas.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

If you don't think that incest is rape then what do you think incest is? Parental love taken a little too far?

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Nice try, NK, but your lame attempts to make me look silly just keep falling flat.

incest: 1. Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom.
2. The statutory crime of sexual relations with such a near relative.

rape: 1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.

Not all incest is by "force" or "abusive." I did say "likely" however.

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Not all incest is by "force" or "abusive." I did say "likely" however.

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So some incest is consentual then? How does that situation happen?

NK do you really need it detailed ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

NK do you really need it detailed ?

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Don't need gory details but give me a situation.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So some incest is consentual then? How does that situation happen?

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Um, brother-sister, cousins, any number of combinations, NK.