Nope, he simply has goals that don't match up with what the american people need. Remember - it's Rick that calling people out as complete idiots, not me, so please direct your comments to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Nope, he simply has goals that don't match up with what the american people need. Remember - it's Rick that calling people out as complete idiots, not me, so please direct your comments to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Challenge her all you want, but watching all these people panic that were feeling invincible in the election over the Messiah, that have been whining about every negative thought about Obama and that have been downplaying experience is comical. Beyond that, I have no idea what McGreevey has to do with anything - that's about as irrelevant to this election as anything could possibly be.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldM_23
Well I would question the pick of McGreedy because he got caught taking bribes. The MSM focused on his double life and his homosexuality .But he was a bribe taker.
What you call panic we call politic, yes politic can become very pathetic dem or rep. Obama is not the messaih by any means but he has a better vision and will open the many doors that Mr. Bush has shut or was slam in his face. Let me break it down mathematically for you 16 year of bush (Dad & Son) + A messed up econmic system + War + Terriorist Problems + The highest unemployement rate ever + High Oil Prices = USA becoming a Third world countryQuote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
DonaldM_23, excuse me but I need a little more math than that:Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldM_23
1. What specifically is better about Obama's "vision" and what evidence do you have to support it?
2. What doors specifically have been slammed in Bush's face?
3. How is Bush (Dad & son) responsible for terrorist problems? Who was president when bin Laden first struck on American soil?
4. What exactly is the highest unemployment rate ever? Year, president and link to the evidence, please.
5. In what way is the "USA becoming a Third world country?" Evidence, please.
Man! Reading all this bashing of Bush, all the bad press, etc. almost got me to thinking that maybe we have had a bad 8 years, and THEN I think about Gore and Kerry, and I remember CARTER. I don't feel so bad after all!
Biden Was Wrong On the Cold War - WSJ.com
36 years as a senator and this is what his experience is ?
I caught a little of the excerpt on the way to work and I remember her saying something about going into PAkistan,
U.S. Hits al Qaeda in Pakistan - WSJ.com
Turns out she is pretty up to date,
Of course Obama believes in the "Bush doctrine " also :D :rolleyes: ;)
Obama Says He Would Take Fight To Pakistan - washingtonpost.com
Tom I love the names you have for everyone!! McGreedy!! To funny!!
Fiscal Management: America is broke. No wait, we're worse than broke. In less than five years these borrow and spend-thrifts have nearly doubled our national debt, to a stunning $8.2 trillion. These are not your Bush'sRepublicans who treated public dollars as though they were an endangered species. These Republicans waste money in ways and in quantities that make those old tax and spend liberals of yore look like tight-fisted Scots.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
This administration is so incompetent that you can just throw a dart at the front page of your morning paper and whatever story of importance it hits will prove my point.
Did I answer all your questions? :)
Dear Don, No.
Bush actually has opened the SPR before, though the purpose of the SPR is of course, strategic and is only authorized by law to be drawn down in the event of "severe energy supply interruption” or “to resolve supply interruptions stemming from situations internal to the United States.” Gas prices are not a “supply interruption.” In July, Obama was against using the SPR, “I do not believe that we should use the strategic oil reserves at this point,” so this is a recent (and politically expedient) flop in positions. As for how effective and truthful his claims are, see here.Quote:
1. What specifically is better about Obama's "vision" and what evidence do you have to support it?
Here is one of Obama vision, Energy is playing a pivotal role in this year's presidential election. And a crucial aspect of America's energy security not widely discussed is how to best use America's Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR). Sen. Barack Obama is proposing a simple maneuver -- called an exchange, or swap -- that will help lower the price of oil for consumers, increase the amount of oil in the SPR, increase energy security, and leave taxpayers better off by about $1 billion. His proposal deserves to be adopted. In 1975, after the Arab oil embargo, the U.S. created the SPR to protect against oil supply disruptions. That reserve now consists of 706 million barrels of crude oil, the largest stockpile in the world. As the steward of that stockpile, the Department of Energy plays an important role in oil markets. Merely announcing oil acquisitions or sales from the SPR moves oil prices. The SPR's drawdown capability of 4.4 million barrels of oil per day surpasses the daily production capacity of Iran, Iraq or Venezuela
And what will be the effect of his plan on the budget and our access to healthcare?Quote:
Oh yea here is his vision on the health crisis
“We now face an opportunity — and an obligation — to turn the page on the failed politics of yesterday's health care debates… My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums. That will be less. If you are one of the 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will have it after this plan becomes law. No one will be turned away because of a preexisting condition or illness.”
I don’t follow how that is door being slammed in Bush’s face.Quote:
2. What doors specifically have been slammed in Bush's face?
We are approaching a $1 trillion annual trade deficit, most of it with Asia, $220 billion with just China -- just last year
Ummm, as I recall Clinton was president in 1993 at the time of the first WTC bombing. What is it now, 2556 days since a terrorist attack on our soil?Quote:
3. How is Bush (Dad & son) responsible for terrorist problems? Who was president when bin Laden first struck on American soil? 1993 & 2002 nuff said why didn't this happen during the Clinton era hmmmm fisshy huh. They completely failed to manage the first large-scale emergency since 9/11. Despite all their big talk and hundreds of billions of dollars spent on homeland security over the past four years, this administration proved itself stunningly incompetent when faced with an actual emergency
How so? I saw nothing in there that said we are at the highest unemployment rate ever under the Bush administration. I don’t know what the highest ever was, but if you look at the actual statistics, not one historic high has been reached during the Bush administration, but 15 states reached historic lows during his presidency.Quote:
4. What exactly is the highest unemployment rate ever? Year, president and link to the evidence, please. This will answer your question http://www.workers.org/2008/us/jobs_0918/
I think you may need to familiarize yourself with what a third world country is, it certainly isn’t the US.Quote:
5. In what way is the "USA becoming a Third world country?" Evidence, please.
Fiscal Management: America is broke. No wait, we're worse than broke. In less than five years these borrow and spend-thrifts have nearly doubled our national debt, to a stunning $8.2 trillion. These are not your Bush'sRepublicans who treated public dollars as though they were an endangered species. These Republicans waste money in ways and in quantities that make those old tax and spend liberals of yore look like tight-fisted Scots.
LOL, relying on the media and Obama campaign talking points for information explains a lot. But hey, I do appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.Quote:
This administration is so incompetent that you can just throw a dart at the front page of your morning paper and whatever story of importance it hits will prove my point.
You have an excuse for every answer. In regards to the terrisom and attacks it was 1989 during Bush I. Nothing but excuses, its okay I appreicate your insite and opinion. Please I want your feed back of the Sarah Palin 20/20 interview airing tonight...
One more thing about the Palin /Gibson exchange about the Bush Doctrine. As I mentioned already he was vague about what he wanted in a reply Her initial response was one aspect of the Bush Doctrine . He clarified that he was talking about preemption ,and she gave a proper response to that also.
But; there never was anything controversial about preemption. JFK during the Cuban Missile crisis was seriously contemplating preemption .Attacking first when an imminent threat is realized is only common sense.
What Gibson meant ;and what Gibson got wrong himself in his clarifying smug follow-up was the part of the Bush Doctrine that called for (for lack of a better word)PREVENTIVE war.
Here is the relevant part of the Bush address Gibson referred to :
We'll be deliberate, yet time is not on our side. I will not wait on events, while dangers gather. I will not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer. The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons.
Now here is how Wiki describes the "Bush Doctrine"
Bush Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
The Bush Doctrine is a journalistic term used to describe some foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, enunciated in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Scholars identify seven different "Bush Doctrines," including the notion that states that harbor terrorists should be treated no differently than terrorists themselves, the willingness to use a "coalition of the willing" if the United Nations does not address threats, the doctrine of preemptive war, and the president's second-term "freedom agenda".
There are parts of the Bush Doctrine like supporting the spread of Democracy that were not addressed at all. There were at least 4 major addresses that President Bush made ,that together laid out the "Bush Doctrine" .Gibson only referred to one of them but did not specify which part of the doctrine itself he wished her to comment on.
On a broader scope the Bush Doctrine could've been summed up as a rejection of the realpolitik policies that had been pursued by the US ;especially in the Middle East. Discussing the merits of that would've been worth the price of admission. I find little value in Gibson's gotcha games.
Yes, I think she did very well in her interview, very sound answers, in fact the "bush doctrine" has several meanings depending what you believe it is. For the media, for Bush, for congress, or perhaps what I believe.
Hello again:
I saw the complete interview last night. I was appalled at what I saw. If McCain seriously thought this first-term governor — with less than two years in office — was qualified to be president at such a dangerous time, it raises profound questions about his judgment. If the choice was, as I suspect, a tactical move, then it was shockingly irresponsible.
The interview was clearly scripted and she stayed on point. However, she demonstrated a serious lack of awareness regarding the tough issues facing us today.
As an example, Palin's son has been shipped off to the war in Iraq. But at his deployment ceremony ON Sept. 11, she told the audience of soldiers that they would be fighting “the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans.”
Was she deliberately falsifying history, or does she still not know that Iraq and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the Sept. 11 attacks? Does it matter WHY she said it?
When asked about her insight into Russia, she said, “They're our next-door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska."
What?? Can you imagine the derision a Democrat would have received if one of THEM had said that?
As I said earlier, she doesn't have the chops to be president. THAT is glaringly obvious to anyone. However, I suspect that those who liked her before the interview will still like her now, cause she served orange Kool Aid beforehand.
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PS> Yes, I quoted the NY Times.
Hi, Ex. You quoted the NY Times? Shucks, we don't even want our salsa to come from New York!
Less than 3 weeks after being chosen as VP candidate and Palin is getting all the press.
More than Biden or Obama or even McCain?
EX - we do have enemies in Iraq, and thousands of Americans have been killed there and Al Qaeda is fighting in Iraq or have you not been looking at the facts in such places as Anbar?
Obama: Arkansas Closer To Kentucky Than Illinois | Blue Grass, Red State
Obama does not know that KY is at IL's southern border? Or that you have to go through Missouri or Tenn to get from KY to AK?
Or that there are 50 not 57 states in the USA.
Palin's stand on foreign policy issues is less concerning than Obama's lack of USA geography knowledge.
I thought she showed at least the same level of knowledge of foreign affairs as her inquisitor. Was it good enough ? Actually it could've been better ;but I suspect she is a quick learner. Her domestic policy answers were better so that just indicates to me that she is a ticket balancer. That is generally the role a Veep plays in these campaigns . She has proven that she cannot be caught in a Dan Quayle moment (or dare I say a Joe Biden moment )
I have also read the out takes now (not sure if they aired the complete interview on Night line but the editied parts are available .
The Mark Levin Show » Gibson Interview
The editting made her appear more hawkish and less knowledgeable.You will notice in the transcripts that often the editing was done mid-sentence.
UPI took ABC to task for that today . She at first appeared startled by Gibson's aggressive approach ;but she recovered and proved unflappable.
ABC's Gibson grilled Palin hard, but it may backfire - UPI.com
UPI compared it the Sunday interiew with Obama by Stephanopoulos:
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Gibson was out to embarrass Palin and expose her presumed ignorance from the word go. By contrast, when Obama referred to his "Muslim faith" on Sunday and did not correct himself, Stephanopoulos rushed in at once to help him and emphasize that the senator had really meant to say his Christian faith.
First, the Palin interview. Yes, it was obvious it was well scripted and I think that was part of what made her look a little uncomfortable at times, along with the unbelievable pressure she faced to do well. When you could tell she was speaking on her own she did great.
I thought she gave a good answer when Gibson pressed her about meeting another head of state - and then ABC promptly called her claim false which was entirely unfair. What she said was "and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you." ABC claimed it was false because all "living" former VP's had previously met a head of state. Excuse me, but "history" goes back a lot further than current "living" VP's.
She smacked Gibson down on the "task that is from God" controversy, her answers on the Bush doctrine and Russia could have been better but they certainly weren't frightening, and let me remind you of the dialogue prior to that terrifying "you can see Russia" comment.
I don't see anything frightening there, unless you believe her entire answer was "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska."Quote:
PALIN: First off, we're going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain's running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable and we have to keep...
GIBSON: You believe unprovoked.
PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there. I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals.That's why we have to keep an eye on Russia.
And, Charlie, you're in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They're very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.
Overall, she did a fine job for a rookie on the national stage, better than Obama without his teleprompter or Biden shooting from the mouth. Who did do a lousy job was ABC. The GMA interview was edited to where they cut off most of her answers and quickly switched back to Gibson. It made Palin look more uncomfortable and Gibson look more credible as this rapid fire, tough interviewer. I want to see it in its entirety without the cuts. After the GMA interview they sliced and diced her as in claiming her VP answer false, and the 20/20 interview began with 7 minutes of ripping her to shreds.
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