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1]? Why did Georgia just not let these regions stay with Russia?

2]? Why is Russia using this as an excuse to invade Georgia, not just aid Ossetia?

3]? Why does Russia has a problem with USA being friendly, diplomatic ;) , with Ukraine and Georgia, while Russia is "friendly" with Cuba and Venuezuela?

4]? How much of this is about OIL ?

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1. and 2.territiorial integrity... why did the Ruskies give the Russian speaking Georgians Russian passports ? This is Sudetenland all over again.

2.and 4. This is all about the Baku pipelines. The Ruskies want to control EU energy access.

3. The Ruskies have used a lot of nonsensical moral equivalent arguments in ths conflict and sadly many in the West has echoed it.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So who are the righties popular with outside the USA?

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See, that's why you folks don't get it.

The "righties" are not concerned with who they are popular with outside the USA, they are more concerned with keeping this the land of the free and home of the brave, and with not allowing the socialists to convert our great nation to the failed policies of redistribution of wealth and the condemning of a capitalist form of government, like the Europeans.

The right stands by it's beliefs, regardless of "public opinion overseas", because our country was founded on freedom, not on a marxist agenda, that puts the government in control of every aspect of our lives.

I love it! McCain for once, tried to distant himself from Bush and ended up looking like the war tyrant for his effort. Meanwhile Bush and Obama went the diplomacy route and French President Nicolas Sarkozy negotiated a ceasefire. ;)

So why are you fighting wars and building multimillion dollar embassies in foreign countries? Why does so much money flow to Israel and Saudi Arabia when New Orleans is still a mess, your educational system is broken, health care is a major issue, there is nothing that replaced the twin towers, etc?

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The right stands by it's beliefs, regardless of "public opinion overseas", because our country was founded on freedom, not on a marxist agenda, that puts the government in control of every aspect of our lives.

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What textbook taught you that propaganda? Founded on freedom? For who? Slaves? Native Indians? Mexico that once ruled over their northern territory? Voting that was nonexistent for women?

Bush went the tough talk route followed up by a Trumanesque Berlin style air lift.

"Mr. Bush also announced that a massive U.S. humanitarian effort was already in progress, and would involve U.S. aircraft as well as naval forces. A U.S. C-17 military cargo plane loaded with supplies is already on the way, and Mr. Bush said that Russia must ensure that "all lines of communication and transport, including seaports, roads and airports," remain open to let deliveries and civilians through."
Bush Says Rice to Go to Tbilisi To Work on Diplomatic Solutions - WSJ.com

Give Obama a couple of weeks ;he would've figured it out .

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What textbook taught you that propaganda? Founded on freedom? For who? Slaves?! Native Indians?! Mexico that once ruled over their northern territory?! Voting that was nonexistent for women?!

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Talk about getting off subject?

What do any of those comments have to do with the difference between capitalism and socialism, or with caring what the Europeans, or anyone else for that matter, thinks about the United States?

America did not invent slavery, they may have participated in the disgraceful practice, but then, so did the very country that sold them into slavery to begin with. Attitudes were much different then.

Sure, the Europeans that escaped the redistribution of wealth there, that came here to start a new Nation, had to defeat the Native Americans in order to do so. Men have been taking over territories and nations from others since the beginning of human existence. It was certainly not invented, by the brave men who established this free Nation.

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I love it! McCain for once, tried to distant himself from Bush and ended up looking like the war tyrant for his effort. Meanwhile Bush and Obama went the diplomacy route and French President Nicolas Sarkozy negotiated a ceasefire. ;)

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Obama hasn't exactly hit any home runs during his "first real time foreign policy crisis."

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Meanwhile, on the political side, the Obama team picked a fight, attacking McCain senior foreign-policy adviser Randy Scheunemann because he represented Georgia in Washington. But that gave McCain's side a chance to say what, exactly, is wrong with helping a fledgling democracy?

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Sarkozy got two RBIs yesterday when he drove in Obama and Dubya. Meanwhile Republican Lynn Sweet was writing for the back pages of poor sports section when McCain stuck out again. Scheunemann tactical campiagn error should get him demoted to bat boy. With advisers like that, McCain's going to be a free agent after November. I love it! :)

Perhaps the EU got lucky that Sarkosy is in the rotation as EU President . France is pretty much energy self sufficient so he won't be held hostage by Ivan . Obama has been at best yelling platitudes while warming the bench .Perhaps it is useful instruction on how to be Presidential watching President Bush lead on this issue.

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Perhaps it is useful instruction on how to be Presidential watching President Bush lead on this issue.

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You mean by watching the arses of girls 1/3 his age?

I love it! Tom's got one huge McCain campaign catastrophe on his hands. He can't knock Obama without knocking the guy he voted for twice, Dubya! I didn't think it was possible that an American candidate could put more effort into nurturing wars than Bush, but McCain has proved the impossible this week. Yup! He finally managed to find one issue to separate himself from Dubya. Way to go "old white haired dude"... if it takes a hundred years. :eek: :D

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... Why does so much money flow to Israel and Saudi Arabia when New Orleans is still a mess, your educational system is broken, health care is a major issue, etc?

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You can remove education and health care from your list of complaints; there is too much government money and control going into them now.

BTW I think New Orleans is now the fastest growing city in the US by percentages. Mainly due to people moving back since reconstruction after the Katrina disaster. Personally once would be enough for me, if I had been a previous resident of Orleans. I heard from a construction company owner recently that is based out of Midland Odessa (Texas) and he said the quality of housing being thrown together there is cheap. As interesting and unique as the culture is in N.O. jazz music and French cuisine, I would pass on the location. My mother is retired school teacher and has an expensive poodle of show dog pedigree that she takes with her as she travels once a year to attend a French festival in California. I've been through Vancouver (Canada), but would like to visit Montreal, Quebec.

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I can show you around. :)

Probably a few years away with my schedule. I've got to head back to SE Asia, check on my second home and attend a wedding, in 2009. I've got that on my radar first then I'm thinking of buying another house in the US (I sold mine years ago), when this slow market finally bottoms out. If I can ever make it out your way I'll email you in advance. Thanks for the invite. I'd love that!

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Tom's got one huge McCain campaign catastrophe on his hands

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Keep thinking that . This crisis plays right into McCain's strength and exposes Obama for being the indecisive waffler he is.

A foggy reality is slowly sinking in on Tom's ship. McCain got torpedoed by Bush (of all people), Obama, and ninety percent of the civilized international community. The "old white haired dude" was primed with a one finger on the red button for the next hundred years of war. This is the kind of exposure John McCain deserves for believing his neanderthal foreign advisor. How fitting! Bwa ha ha ha!

The truth is that the last 3 Presidents since the fall of the Soviet Union had this quaint notion that Russia could be seduced into joining the civilized nations .

McCain understands this as wishful thinking .He said when he looked in Putin's eyes he saw KGB. He was correct long before the events of last week.

The Ruskie tanks rolling has forced President Bush to reassess his noble efforts to find common ground with the thugs in Moscow. But for now President Bush is trying to salvage what remains of the US Russian potamkin relationship .That is why Condi Rice ;a long time Russophile was sent on her diplomatic junket.

But the truth is that as the Ruskies have spit on the world wide effort to appease them ,Bush's rhetoric is falling more in line with reality .Too bad Sec. Def. Gates is still using appeaser language.

America will have a real choice ;McCain with his finger on the pulse of reality ;or BO with his pie-in-the-sky flowery kumbaya speeches. The only hope for BO is that he has Zbigniew Brzezinski on his advisery staff

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America will have a real choice ;McCain with his finger on the pulse of reality ;or BO with his pie-in-the-sky flowery kumbaya speeches.

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Thank you Fox News! http://i.pbase.com/u2/gube2/upload/1...laughlaugh.gif