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Originally Posted by inthebox
Hillary tried and failed. In fact she went 0 for 20 in primary debates. McCain will be given every opportunity in the general election debates to expose the "empty rhetoric" proclaimed by his supporters and use it for prosecution. Let's see how well that works out for your spokesman after cross examination being face to face with Obama. :rolleyes:
Actually, I wish it were an unscripted head to head townhall kind of debate in which the candidates can't just whip out their talking points.
We really need both candidates to hammer out their points. The network moderators will receive pitches from both campaigns, usually a compromise, and have various debate formats to satisfy both candidates. This might give McCain an opportunity to prove he's not just another Bush clone. Although that's going to be a hard sale no matter what the format.
Bobby, you're starting to sound like Howard Dean. Should we expect a scream soon? What makes it a harder sale for McCain is the media has done a 180 on their former favorite. I heard one of the many "Democratic strategists" that seem to pop up out of nowhere this morning try to explain that McCain, not Obama, was still the media favorite. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
We know that is not the fact . The NY slimes turned on him as soon as he became the nominee.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Huh?? What the hell did I miss? Howard Dean spoke recently on which possible general election debate platforms that are to be used? The same Howard Dean that I chastised for letting the Clinton primary circus continue far so long? BTW I've been shouting at George Walker Bush for two terms now. That also has nothing to do with the media and everything to do with Dubya. ;)
What did you miss?
Howard the Deaniac and McMahon were spreading that nonsense long before Obama - or you - adopted that talking point... I get their emails :DQuote:
his might give McCain an opportunity to prove he's not just another Bush clone.
Come on, you're more original than that my friend.
1) So? I don't receive Howard Dean emails.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
2) If that's what H. Dean implied, before my own original thoughts on the issue, then I give him credit.
3) When two people come to the same conclusion, arbitrarily, perhaps there is substance.
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Or, since I've been mentioning it since early February and Obama has made it his favorite point (besides uhhh), the "conclusion" was an unconscious selection ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I suggest you supplement with vitamins regularly. Did you really think that Howard Dean and I are the only two people on the planet that sees minute differences between Dubya and McSame. Like I said, come general election debate time, McCain will get a chance to prove otherwise. :rolleyes:
A Corona with lime is more fun... and tastier.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
Since it's been splashed across every newspaper in the country and repeated on every news channel for months by every Democrat talking head, it's easy to see it's the "company line." :rolleyes:Quote:
Did you really think that Howard Dean and I are the only two people on the planet that sees minute differences between Dubya and McSame. Like I said, come general election debate time, McCain will get a chance to prove otherwise. :rolleyes:
It's not the company line, it's the truth:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
John McSame - Progressive Media USA
Senator John McCain has voted with President Bush 100% of the time in 2008 and 95% of the time in 2007
About 4 minutes worth of research reveals McCain voted AGAINST the party 391 times since Bush has been in office. I told you, I come prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
And I've got news for you! The "company" has known since day one of Dubya's second term, and it wasn't even a coordinated effort. :)
I wasn't referring to the party, I was referring to his loyalty to Bush. And frankly some of the things he has voted against is quite apppaling.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
It's funny how the media has portrayed McCain as a "maverick" for all these years, he's voted against his party (whose top figure is the President) 391 times since Bush has been president - and now you guys are painting him as an EXTREME Bush loyalist based on this year and last when he's missed most of the votes. LOL, that's a very weak argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I don't see how that's relevant since the "company line" is a "third Bush term," and it only surfaced when it became clear McCain would be the nominee. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
I'll help you "Steve." A president in the US can only run for two terms; Civics 101. The Republican party, unless they decided not to run a candidate for president in 2008 (did you think they would not?? ), would have to champion another clone. They did. His name turned out to be "John McCain." Oh! It could had been Mitt RomGeorge, or Mike HuckaBush, or Fred ThompWalker, or even Rudy Dubyani. Not much separates their views either. The only Republican to choose from with any major differences from George Walker Bush would had been Ron Paul. But Paul was ostracized by the other candidates. He wasn't part of the good'ol boy clone club.;)!;)!;)!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Or in 08 it could be Barack "Jimmy Carter" Obama
Even TIME notes the similarities;
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Of the two likely nominees this year, Obama is closest to Carter in background and policy leanings. The parallels between his campaign so far and the one Carter ran in 1976 are striking. Like Carter, Obama had little national experience when he started to run. Neither was given much chance of winning the nomination. Instead of running on a detailed platform, Carter told crowds that what Washington needed was "a government as good as its people"—just as Obama promises "change we can believe in." Carter's message sold well after Richard Nixon's disgrace, and press accounts from the time suggest that people found the born-again Carter to be charismatic. That parallel is a promising one for Obama.
Barack Carter the humanitarian vs. McSame Iraqi war? Carter was weak on economics with the double digit inflation, but our nation currently is suffering under Dubya. McCain will just keep up his policies, perhaps worse. McCain even admits he's weak on economics. Give me Jimmy and the Billy Beer, every time!Quote:
Originally Posted by inthebox
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