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You know tal... every time someone quotes a number... it keeps getting bigger... eventuyally more people will have voted for him than live in India.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Obama only won 51% of the electoral votes... 1% is slim by anyone's count.
You just can't make this s**t up... Does anyone actually THINK in the Democrat party?
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5 million votes and 51 to 47% (4%, not 1%)
You can't walk forward, and you can't count, and don't know how to chew your food before swallowing.
You do grasp that the USA isn't a Democracy... But a Representative republic... and its Electroral votes that put someone i8n office? They teach that in 9th grade Civics class.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
336-302 if you prefer. He won no matter what math you use.
Gee, do you concede that Bush actually won too... or do you still think he didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Nobody questions he won, Scotus said so.
Odd that we heard the opposite from the left for well over 8 years. And besides the Votes said so long before the scotus ever said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Why do you relive history when you have a real crisis to deal with? BO won the election, he there for has a clear mandate, if he got 51% that's a majority, it also means he has a 2% margin.
It is said there are sufficient Republicians in the House to carry a vote but Boehner is held captive by the TParty and won't allow it to go to vote. Childish behaviour and not democracy
Lots of foolish people believe propaganda but that doesn't make them smart for voting for that person. It makes them sheeple. Obama and the media gaurded his flock well and fed them BS on a daily basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Is it any less BS than the other side feeds it's sheeple?
From where I sit Tal I agree with you its al B/S
YOU don't understand how our system works them... we don't have a Parlament... our branches of government are co-equal... meaning the president doesn't get to lord over the underlings... because they aren't subservient to him. They are all slices of the same pie. Legislative, Judicial, and executive branches.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I understand that the idea is that the House initiates a bill, the Senate reviews it and the President assents to it or has the power of veto, and the Court adjudicates when asked to do so. The court can initiate nothing of itself, so not equal in that respect but has ultimate power. It is supposed to work as a cooperative process with checks and balances, with leadership in the President. The idea that they are coequal and the House can run the country is a myth no doubt promelgated by members of the House. What you actually have over there is an attempted coup. If both the House and the Senate decided that the ACA should be repealed, then the President should assent but that hasn't happened. Only the House has attempted this in what they are doing. In our parlance they have refused supply, it is their prorogative but it seems you don't possess our remedy to the empasseQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You really don't understand it then... because its actually codified into the constitution... and law as well. But you have a reason as you did not grow up and attend school here to know the nuances and details of our government, only some of the basics. Much the same as why I won't know all the details of Austrailias.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
The Duties of the Three Branches of Government
The house doesn't answer to Harry Reid... or the White house... Its Obama that's been prancing around like some Bananna republic dictator... Harry Reid just rants like some mental deficient that's been dropped n his head once too often..
I understand that the Court ajudicated and declared the ACA valid therefore the President through the various departments of government implements it, it is beyond the legislature unless repealed or modified and that takes both houses
No ;actually it's in the writings of the founders. All you have to do is see the length and powers designated article 1 compared to the ones designated on article 2 . One could say that the powers of the executive and the judiciary have "evolved " (if you are being kind ) . When you use the word 'coup' however ,you are pointing fingers at the wrong branches .Quote:
The idea that they are coequal and the House can run the country is a myth no doubt promelgated by members of the House... What you actually have over there is an attempted coup.
LOL, enjoy your red meat from Bonehead, there is a time limit on the TParty banquette.
Nope... but there is an experation date on Obamas Charm to the easily suckered...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
And the maggots won't even touch that any longer.
They seem to take his word as gospel rather then looking it up or being concerned about what is really going on. Do you actually believe with all the evidence in question and that has been presented that Bengasi was because of a video and what does it matter anyway? You know it was BS that was fed to his sheeple and they ate the slop like it was manna from heaven. According to Obama debt doesn't matter so why worry about it right?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
My whole point is the government never should have been shut down over this zeal of defunding/repealing Obama Care. It's a poor excuse considering ALL the lives affected by this action. Now if you don't see that then you have no empathy for the innocent people around the country who pay the price for right wing desperation.
And you have no empathy for the people you are inflicting Obamacare on .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Good point . The emperor doesn't give a rat's behind about debt as he plunges the nation over the abyss.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
Hello tom:
I do... At least as much as I have for those whom we inflicted Medicare on.. I feel bad for those for who have to suffer through the GI Bill too.Quote:
and you have no empathy for the people you are inflicting Obamacare on
Bwa, ha ha ha ha.
Excon
We will have to see how many signup for this infliction. But more than 70% of the country is against a shutdown, and more people believe it's the republicans fault. We will see.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Not many if they are poor and struggling paycheck to paycheck. How do you expect them to pay for the mandatory healthcare? Don't bother mentioning subsidies. They don't kick in until you have already begun to pay for it. So how are you going to tell these people they can have it their way? It's the government not burger king!!Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Just because Obama says so doesn't make it true nor does it deal with the realities that normal people have to face on a daily basis.
Yeah I read that only three people have signed up so far. Or was it more than that?Quote:
Originally Posted by cdad
Five tried... but two of them couldn't navigate the monstrosity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
As I remember right, during and before the 2012 campaign, you advocated for the poor to pay their fair share of taxes and how it wasn't right the 47% paid no taxes, so now all of a sudden you have empathy and they shouldn't pay for health insurance, which you have said is a tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Even Smoothy rails against free stuff for poor people, yet now they have to be responsible for their own health, he found some empathy too, and thinks its so unfair they have to pay something for their own benefit.
Seems to me, to be consistent with your own stated positions, Obama Care would be right up both your alleys, or the empathy is a contrived one to bolster your own rant against the evils of progressive policy, and liberal thinking even though you have been delivered the very thing you have pushed so hard for, and loudly for... personal responsibility and the poor paying for their own stuff.
Its not "fair" because the lazy will eventually be subsidized by those who worked hard to get ahead.
Fair means they pay the SAME price anyone else in their category pays regardless of income.
If you went to the store to buy a gallon of milk... why should the price you pay for it be determined by your income level? Where one person pays ten times more for it than another person.. while another gets it for free?
Lol as if the poor will be charged at all. Give it up Tal. Currently there is no verification mechanism at all for the subsidies for people applying in the exchanges. Yet your side is still hell bent to go full steam ahead with this knowing the system isn't close to being properly managed .
I'll say it again... you have no empathy for the people you are inflicting Obamacare on . I'm not talking just about the poor although they too will be adversely affected by this poorly conceived entitlement .No I'm talking about the rest of the country .
Most Obamacare enrollment applications flawedQuote:
As few as 1 in 100 applications on the federal exchange contains enough information to enroll the applicant in a plan, several insurance industry sources told CNBC on Friday. Some of the problems involve how the exchange's software collects and verifies an applicant's data.
"It is extraordinary that these systems weren't ready," said Sumit Nijhawan, CEO of Infogix, which handles data integrity issues for major insurers including WellPoint and Cigna, as well as multiple Blue Cross Blue Shield affiliates.
Experts said that if Healthcare.gov's success rate doesn't improve within the next month or so, federal officials could face a situation in January in which relatively large numbers of people believe they have coverage starting that month, but whose enrollment applications are have not been processed.
"It could be public relations nightmare," said Nijhawan. Insurers have told his company that just "1 in 100" enrollment applicants being sent from the federal marketplace have provided sufficient, verified information.
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"This is not a traffic issue," Mendelson said. "Right now, the systems aren't working."
When a simple solution is needed you can be assured that a complicated solution will be implemented
Hey... its another example of the Government doing what the government does best... taking something the simply works well... and screwing it up beyond all recognition...
FUBAR was a term coined for use on things like this many decades ago.
yeah but even Apple has FUBARS ...right ?
Tell me where the mandate is for me to purchase an Apple product.
Wow tom, that's a great argument.
Hello tom:
Screw the iPhone.. Let's talk about the mandate on you to BUY a firetruck...Quote:
tell me where the mandate is for me to purchase an Apple product.
You don't deny that you own a piece of a firetruck, do you? You don't deny that you're FORCED to pay for it, do you?
Nuff said.
Excon
Wow, now there's a rational argument. FYI, not every community has a fire truck and thousands are all volunteer - no one is forcing anyone to buy a fire truck in such places.Quote:
Screw the iPhone.. Let's talk about the mandate on you to BUY a firetruck...
You don't deny that you own a piece of a firetruck, do you? You don't deny that you're FORCED to pay for it, do you?
Nuff said.
Hello again, Steve:
Really? What do these volunteers USE to fight these fires?? Buckets?? Do the volunteers bring their OWN, or does your community supply them? Alrighty, then. You own some buckets.Quote:
FYI, not every community has a fire truck and thousands are all volunteer -
Yes, Steve. EVERY community owns a fire truck, and a school bus, and police cars. And, YOU pay for them whether you LIKE it or not. It's MANDATED.
Besides... Aren't YOU a guy who supports our Constitution?? SCOTUS says the mandate is Constitutional? Or do you Pick which parts of the Constitution you support??
Excon
Show me where I have to pay the costs of you NOT buying an Apple product, and I will show you the cost of paying for the emergency room visit you make with no insurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
No wonder we have this conflict, you don't know apples from oranges and think it's the same thing. Look closer and see the differences. Taste it if you have too, or smell it.
Let me know what you find out, and don't be stubborn. You have insurance, you don't have a mandate.
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