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For any ground warfare that could take place in this country, I would put all of my money on the armed civilians. I know this may sound a bit cliché but in the movie Red Dawn, that could be construed as really happening. excon, I do not know if you have ever been an avid sportsman but let me just say that with the 20 or 30 of them who have a lot of experience in the field. And a good portion are ex military with good survival skills. Don't dismiss the abilities of your fellow countrymen. Yes, air attacks are something to contend with BUT I don't think that an overtaking government would want to damage a lot of infrastructure that is necessary for their cause.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

It IS true, that when I walk out of my house each and every morning, I see an entirely different country than you do.

excon

I like this answer/statement. I believe that everyone is this way. I don't believe we interpret everything that same as anyone else.
Sorry I missed this before

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Originally Posted by Handyman2007

Don't dismiss the abilities of your fellow countrymen.

And who is going to organize this rebellion and on whose political stance? I'm guessing you won't have enough rebels to fit inside a high school gym.

There are over 300 million people in this country. I really believe that you are living a dream world. I am thinking there would be thousands of hig school gyms full of people organizing a fight.

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Originally Posted by Handyman2007

There are over 300 million people in this country. I really believe that you are living a dream world. I am thinking there would be thousands of hig school gyms full of people organizing a fight.

Let's get 'em together for a quick check. Betcha when push came to shove, they would find something else to do.

300 million people are ready to go to war with the government? I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

300 million people are ready to go to war with the government? I don't think so.

The news reports certainly make it sound like DHS is preparing to make war here against SOMEONE.

I doubt seriously that exie's armed revolution conspiracy theory holds any water. I do think that 3am raids by BATF squads will continue to become more hazardous to the BATF.

I think its dangerous to feed paranoia to borderline people who are already sanity challenged.

Hello C:

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I doubt seriously that exie's armed revolution conspiracy theory holds any water.

MY theory?? That the United States of America would DEFEND itself is a theory?? Dude!

Excon

Again excon, I am with you on this one.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello C:

MY theory??? That the United States of America would DEFEND itself is a theory??? Dude!

excon

Your conspiracy theory that some skeet and trap club or all of them will listen to a tinfoil hat type and try to overthrow the United States and bring on the drones and the F-16s is pure fantasy. By the way, a Hornet is probably the worst choice for air strikes in our inventory. Bullpups were designed for it.

The SWAT team I.Q. estimate just went down another few points
LAPD, 'Call of Duty' mannequin end up in standoff; no one injured

Hello again, C:

When some right winger says he's going to overthrow the US, and I say they'll get slaughtered, it's not MY theory.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, C:

When some right winger says he's gonna overthrow the US, and I say they'll get slaughtered, it's not MY theory.

excon

Your theory, like all your racist Democrat theories, is that one "right winger" speaks for all. It never has been true of any group: not conservatives, not blacks, not christians, not soldiers, not even Democrats.

Hello again, C:

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racist Democrat theories

Here's your FIRST English lesson for the day. When I say ONE right winger, it doesn't mean I'm talking about ALL of you...

Second lesson of the day, when I say the US will SMASH your revolution, it's not racist.

Finally, why did my telling you that you're going to FAIL in your stupid rebellion piss you off sooooo much?? I didn't know right wingers were so sensitive.. You didn't think you'd win, did you?

Excon

Santa Monica gunman left a note, police say

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Seabrooks said the semi-automatic weapon appears to have been built with component parts that are legal to obtain, but put together make the rifle illegal in California.

She said he also modified an antique black-powder .44 revolver so that it could hold .45-caliber ammunition; it was loaded during the shooting and he carried it with him in a duffel bag.

Did you notice the main factor was a history if mental health issues?

Yes I did, but this nut didn't have to buy a gun, he made his own. Then selected his targets. I have always felt this was less about the means and more about the people who used whatever means to do what they do.

A smart loony is more dangerous than a drug dealer, because he could be anyone anywhere. They seem to be coming out of the wood work.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Yes I did, but this nut didn't have to buy a gun, he made his own. Then selected his targets. I have always felt this was less about the means and more about the people who used whatever means to do what they do.

A smart loony is more dangerous than a drug dealer, because he could be anyone anywhere. They seem to be coming out of the wood work.

What you seem to fail to understand is there was nothing illegal about the gun being carried except for how it was being used and the capacity of the magazine. California has a 10 round limit. The other weapon that he was carrying would have failed when fired and more then likely exploded in his face.

Hello again,

I want to address some underlying issues... I've read how the right wing BELIEVES that it would WIN a popular uprising. I BELIEVE the basis for that belief is that, WHEN and IF Obama comes after their guns, NOBODY will back him up - not even the Armed Forces of the United states.

Couple things about that.

It might surprise my right wing friends, but IF Obama came after your guns, I'd JOIN the rebellion. However, I don't, for a minute, believe that he's coming for your guns.

What I DO believe, is that some itchy trigger fingered right winger, like say Ted Nugent, or a Tim McVey wanna be, is gonna start it - or at least TRY to start it. I ask my right wing friends, if THAT'S the way it starts, who's side are you going to be on? Who's side do you think the 82nd Airborne is going to be on?

I say the above, because there's only ONE side here who's rattling their sabres, and it's NOT Obama. In fact, the only gun law that Obama signed into law, STRENGTHENED the 2nd Amendment... But, facts don't seem to be part of this equation. To wit, there's NO facts in evidence ANYWHERE to indicate that Obama is coming after your guns..

Yet, you believe it. There's NOTHING that I can say about that that hasn't been said thousands of times. It's HARD to argue a policy that resides ONLY in the heads of your opposition..

Over to you, wingers.

excon

I don't understand any of this! The countries, and US states, with the stiffest anti gun legislation are the areas with the highest crime rates involving guns. Ie; Washington DC , New York city, London England etc etc... Immediately following a mass shooting tragedy committed by an insane person the focus is to take guns away from the people who didn't do it... rather than focus on providing mental heath to those who desperately need it . Here in New York the Governor unconstitutionally slammed a bill through into law that each fire arm can only be loaded with seven (7) bullets..? The law was ten (10)... how does that help anything!. Go to the CDC( Center for Diseases and Control.. www.cdc.gov )‎. And see for yourself the cause's of death in america... do the math... Following the Governments reasoning for gun ban legislation we should also ban any vehicle that is capable of traveling over the national speed limit, ban house hold chemical cleaner usage, outlaw extension ladders and the use of soap bars in the shower.! Not mention the causes of heart disease and lung cancer... Look back at history... it repeats itself... The first step to completely dominate a people is to disarm them... weather it be guns, knives and swords, bows and arrows or sticks and stones... there can be no one world power if a large group of people collectively still hold power... and in our case that power is Freedom protected by the second amendment

Hello xx:

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Following the Governments reasoning for gun ban legislation

Thanks. It's an excellent post. Could you possibly link me to this legislation you're speaking of? I'd like to read it.

Excon

Nobody has banned guns but the issue before us is a process that makes it harder for loony's and criminals to get them. I guess the rhetoric about taking guns from lawful citizens keeps us from doing anything at all and perpetrates a distraction to the bigger issue of the wrong people getting them.

You righties assume that everybody who wants a gun is a lawful responsible citizen, and we know for fact that's not true. That assumption is getting people killed because you think the government wants your guns, instead of helping us get loony's and criminals.

The right wants NO process to separate the loony's from the healthy responsible citizens. Most people want that process through background checks so we at least can know the loony's who try to buy a gun, so we save lives. Why is that NOT a consensus compromise?

Hello again, tal:

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Why is that NOT a consensus compromise?

May I offer my OPINION as to what they'll say?

(1) A background check will lead to a gun registry.

(2) A gun registry will lead to confiscation.

(3) Confiscation will result in Obama making himself king.

(4) We're doomed..

(5) Listening to our phone calls, however, will make us safer.

Excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tal:
May I offer my OPINION as to what they'll say??

(1) A background check will lead to a gun registry.

(2) A gun registry will lead to confiscation.

(3) Confiscation will result in Obama making himself king.

(4) We're doomed..

(5) Listening to our phone calls, however, will make us safer.

excon

Ex your logic is faulty in fact it doesn't follow that gun registration leads to confiscation. Obama is already a king, an elected king, he cannot make himself what he already is. If you are doomed it is because you think personal gun ownership will save you, Why don't you trade telephone privacy for the gun registry after all telephones are registered and no one has confiscated them

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Nobody has banned guns but the issue before us is a process that makes it harder for loony's and criminals to get them. I guess the rhetoric about taking guns from lawful citizens keeps us from doing anything at all and perpetrates a distraction to the bigger issue of the wrong people getting them.

You righties assume that everybody who wants a gun is a lawful responsible citizen, and we know for fact that's not true. That assumption is getting people killed because you think the government wants your guns, instead of helping us get loony's and criminals.

The right wants NO process to separate the loony's from the healthy responsible citizens. Most people want that process thru background checks so we at least can know the loony's who try to buy a gun, so we save lives. Why is that NOT a consensus compromise?

I agree 100% that no one wants loonies to have access to guns. You say that no one has banned guns? In New York city all semi automatic firearms are illegal... in the 1960's the city government issued a law to register all firearms for the sole purpose of the police to know who had fire arms when a domestic call in. Sounded reasonable... Most law abiding citizen complied and then in 1969 they passed the anti semi auto act... (the actual name of the law escapes me but PLEASE don't take my word for it look it up for yourself) which made all these legally owned guns illegal... and they then went around and confiscated them... that's history... not propaganda or here say...
And no I don't think everyone who owns a gun legally is of the utmost quality.. but I believe that some one who owns a fire arm... ANY FIREARM... should fist have to receive training to be proficient in the use said firearm, learn how to properly store and maintain that firearm and above all be trained thoroughly in the ramifications and consequence's of the use of that firearm in any and all situations... Furthermore a background check is positively essential for the purchase of any and all firearms... even if that person already owns a firearm(s).

And even further more... the assumption that no one want to separate the nuts from the trees is preposterous... it's the government itself that wishes to do little to nothing... except feel good laws that do little but make the public think they are doing something... if they fixed the problems of high crime rates and radical crazies shooting sprees and rampant drug use they would have no platform upon which to declare to have the answers to in order to be re elected... the answers are not very hard... it can be accomplished... just hard for the politicians to admit to and swallow!!

And that's all I have to say about that!

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tal:
May I offer my OPINION as to what they'll say??

(1) A background check will lead to a gun registry.

(2) A gun registry will lead to confiscation.

(3) Confiscation will result in Obama making himself king.

(4) We're doomed..

(5) Listening to our phone calls, however, will make us safer.

excon

One quick comment... ALL LEGALLY PURCHASED FIREARMS ARE REGISTERED... no if's.. no and's.. and no but's... if any gun is purchased legally it is register. The FFL licensed gun dealer / broker MUST complete a government form with accurate information and submit that form along with a back ground check...
One last hing... we are all doomed.. in this game of life... no one gets out alive!

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One quick comment......ALL LEGALLY PURCHASED FIREARMS ARE REGISTERED

No, not the straw purchases at gun shows nor are private purchases.

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No, not the straw purchases at gun shows nor are private purchases.

Yes you are quite correct... privately owned guns, sold by owner sales,are not subject to these regulations... BUT... every person I know who has ever sold a firearm , even to friends and relatives , has documented proof of who they sold it to... just to protect themselves... but we need to transfer ownership of vehicles and houses and real propriety... why not firearms too..?

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Yes you are quite correct...privately owned guns, sold by owner sales,are not subject to these regulations ...BUT.....every person I know who has ever sold a firearm , even to friends and relatives , has documented proof of who they sold it to.......just to protect themselves.........but we need to transfer ownership of vehicles and houses and real propriety...why not firearms too...??

Do you agree or disagree with a national gun registration ?

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Originally Posted by cdad

Do you agree or disagree with a national gun registration ?

Of course he agrees, there is nothing unreasonable about it excepting perhaps the weight of registering 300,000,000 weapons

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Nobody has banned guns but the issue before us is a process that makes it harder for loony's and criminals to get them. I guess the rhetoric about taking guns from lawful citizens keeps us from doing anything at all and perpetrates a distraction to the bigger issue of the wrong people getting them.

You righties assume that everybody who wants a gun is a lawful responsible citizen, and we know for fact that's not true.

And we know for a fact that assertion is not true.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tal:
May I offer my OPINION as to what they'll say??

(1) A background check will lead to a gun registry.

(2) A gun registry will lead to confiscation.

(3) Confiscation will result in Obama making himself king.

(4) We're doomed..

(5) Listening to our phone calls, however, will make us safer.

excon

1) Schumer's bill was a backdoor registry... and we already have background checks.

2) I've already shown examples of that reality.

3) He already thinks he's king.

4) Not yet, we're looking out for you.

5) I never gave permission for total surveillance, but His Majesty apparently likes it now.

You were right Ex.

Yes Tal you are right he is totally confused by the gun lobby

The gun lobby is on the wrong side of the will of the people and they will soon find out their bought politicians cannot save them this time.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

The gun lobby is on the wrong side of the will of the people and they will soon find out their bought politicians cannot save them this time.

Let me get my violin. You only see your side and try to dominate the debate with lies. The truth is the 2nd amendment will stand and its not being taken away any time soon.

It isn't about that, the founders didn't anticipate the lawless society you have today and the funny part is you think this is acceptable

Hello again, dad:

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The truth is the 2nd amendment will stand and its not being taken away any time soon.

The problem is comprehensive background checks don't do ANYTHING to "take away" the 2nd Amendment..

It's like I said "white", and you yelled at me for saying "black". Makes NO sense. No sense at all.

Excon

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You were right Ex.

The first two are documented in this thread, why deny the truth?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

The gun lobby is on the wrong side of the will of the people and they will soon find out their bought politicians cannot save them this time.

Yeah, Bloomy is on the job.

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