Obama compared to Cruz is like compairing the Imperial Dragon of the KKK to the Pope.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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Obama compared to Cruz is like compairing the Imperial Dragon of the KKK to the Pope.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Smoothy:
I agree. But Pope is a little strong for Obama, don't you think?
excon
I didn't say WHICH pope... you could take your pick of current or previous ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Cruz at least hasn't written two books laced with racist comments and inuendo.
Autobographies are like that... your words and thoughts in print... can't deny what you wrote yourself.
I don't plan to ever write one...
Hello again, smoothy:
Could you possibly link me to some of that racist stuff?Quote:
written two books laced with racist comments and inuendo.
Excon
If that were what I had said, OK. Personally I think it batsh!t crazy to label Cruz a racist, but even racists can have admirable characteristics. I recall much lavish praise bestowed on "Sheets" Byrd over the years by his Dem colleagues and the media and yet every time he's mentioned here we get nothing but the crickets chirping. Cruz was admiring Helms having a spine, something that's sorely lacking in in Congress - most of them must have attended those "group spine removal procedures" like the White House hosts.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Articles: Powered by Hate: Racist Content from Dreams from My Father!Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And how did you live your life in college, and who did you hang out with -- and why?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
You do know what college is for most of us, right?
***ADDED*** Let's say you are half white and half black. You grow up surrounded by whites. You talk white, you think white, you eat white food, you sleep between white sheets. Then you get into college, look in the mirror, and see a black face. Who are you, really? Are you white? Are you black? And when in your late teens and early twenties, you hang out with various groups and associates to find out.
I'm not a public official... and I'm not the president, and it can safely be assumed I won't ever be. I'm 52 and have zero desire to run for any elected office.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I however didn't hang out with terrorists or anyone who would be called radicals... and while I do know someone that's doing life in prison... its because it was a small school district... not because were were ever friends or ever once hung out together.
He wasn't then (in college) either.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
The book was published in July 1995 as Obama was preparing to launch his political career in a campaign for an Illinois office. (He wasn't president when he wrote it or got it published.)
It was PUBLISHED then... but he himself stated he hung out with Weather Undergroud Terrorists and other things while in college. Again... his words... therefore it can be assumed he actually did what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Funny how things can come back to haunt you... when you write an autobiography.
And whom did YOU hang out with in college?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
College is time to experiment. I (Lutheran minister's daughter) hung out with atheists and agnostics -- my parents would have disowned me had they known. I also skipped chapel every Wednesday and slept in on Sunday mornings. My mom's still alive. Don't tell her. (And that's all I'm going to reveal about my college life except that I almost got kicked out after my first semester for failing classes -- after graduating at the top of my class in high school.)
Nobody I've ever seen on the news... and quite honeslty... There are only 4 who's names I can remember. They were all roomates at one time or other before I went overseas (we worked at the same employer). None of them ever got more than a speeding ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
You must not have gone to Harvard. (Neither did I -- although I could have hung out with Pete Seeger when he performed at my college.)Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Nope... didn't go to any of the big schools... I was the wrong racial background to get a free ride under affirmative action and the CETA program.. that Obama got .Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Poor white people didn't qualify back then so I did what I was able with what I could scrape together.
Yes we both started college at roughly the same time. Being we are only 2 months apart in age.
You can document that?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Google it... any Black person that applied for it then got it... full tuition and even got paid to sit in class...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I know what it entailed because I tried to get it... and was flat out turned down for it because I wasn't a minority or a welfare recipient. Yes htats the reason they gave.
THis is first hand direct personal experience. Not a handed down story. Do I still have the letters... probibly not... I might but I wouldn't know where it is if it hasn't been lost or burned since 1979. I've only moved over a dozen times since then. Things disappear during moves. Your memories don't.
In other words, you can't. My Googling tells me he did graduate with a debt of at least $40,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Only $40,000 bwahahah... so who paid the rest of it? He claimed to be poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
He went to Columbia AND harvard... neither of them were inexpensive schools... that wouldn't have got you anywhere near 4 years at either of them even back then. Without even counting living expenses OR textbooks.
He may have gotten scholarships and grants. I did at my college.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
What was the cost for a year at Harvard back then when he attended?
I know what it was for Penn State at in-state rates for the program I took at the scholls I went to back then... and Harvard was far more expensive than that.. Its always been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
You would have easily been over $40K on a 4 year program before books... supplies other fees and room and board instate rates at Penn State.
Which far exceeded the Maximum you could borrow on student loans back then. Because the cap was about 1/2 that... so he didn't owe that in regualr student loans. They wouldn't let you go that far in the hole back then even if you could afford the 8.5% interest..
Undergrad tuition and R/B at Harvard from 1989-1991 was about $16,000 a year. He was in the J.D. (grad) program during those years, so probably not much more. (http://vpf-web.harvard.edu/budget/fa...01/page23.html) I was in a grad program at a private school those same years and paid out $25,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Now Harvard tuition plus R&B is out of sight.
Funny how all his college records are still the greatest national secrets we have... and the only proof we have he ever attended is his word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And who paid for that and where did he borrow it because the Federal Student loan program capped out at $10,000 back then, total, not per year. That kept me out of Penn State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
$10,000 total or per year? He would have had to fill out an FAFSA, so the actual "family contribution" (tuition, etc.) would have been less than the full amount. He may have gotten scholarships or grants. He had jobs too.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Not per year... total... over multiple years. I remember it being $5,000 per callender year... with a $10,000 total limit. That's the student loan part. If it exceded that... you had to get it elsewhere. My parents were working part time jobs because my father... like 30% of the reviously employed working people where I grew up... were laid off in Jimmy Carters wonderful economy. And had been for a number of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
But as a white person... that was enough to disqualify us for any aid. Even though we had to eat pasta 3 - 4 times a week to be able to pay the mortgage and bills.
Yes... affirmative action was very racist and very unfairly pushed around in the beinning (based on quotas... not merit)... and it never really got a lot better. And Financial aid followed many of the same guidelines then too.
You were a bit older... and were through this before it hit when I came of age... but it was so bad there is a lot of bitterness from those of us screwed during that era.
And that might be undergrad only. Harvard for him was a grad program, and there is no federal help or loose money to pay tuition, etc. (I tried like heck to find money to borrow but couldn't/didn't when I went to grad school.)Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Probibly... how much I could borrow basically dictated where I could attend... but that was definitely undergrad... meant to help people get to college... but not pay for everything... it definitely expanded in the years since.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Minorities could have everything paid under CETA if they wanted to go during that period... and not have to pay back a dime...
Yes I knew people that took advantage of it... a couple people in my College classes were in it.
Most of the grants back then were geared to who you knew... if you didn't have the right people vouching for you... you got nothing. I have no idea if it's the same way now or not.
And the high school guidance office was less than worthless.
There are rumors all over the internet that this sheik or that lawyer MAY HAVE paid for Obama undergrad and grad programs. The next time he's in town, I will give him a call and ask how he paid for his schooling. (And I would too, if I could.)Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
My son's freshman year in 1993 cost us about $19,000 (minus the FAFSA reductions). By senior year, his college costs were in the mid twenties. Now it's over $47,000 at that college for a year. There's something rotten in Denmark...
I haven't heard any of those...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
But yeah... stupid expensive. $47K sounds like GW University... but maybe they are over $50K now a year
And my son's college is just some small-town private college in the middle of nowhere (think Illinois cornfields) -- but it got a name for itself during the Lincoln-Douglas debates and because of Obama's speechifying there (twice now).Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I haven't read them. Does he talk about 'blood types' and percentages?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I provided a link earlier for someone that went into each of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
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Originally Posted by smoothy
I read the link. Apparently he doesn't. In colloquial terms I guess we can say that,
"He don't, but you do"
How you can come to that conclusion after reading that is beyond understanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
He flat out said it.. he wasn't being cutesy with the English language... so what was written was written at face value.
Though many Democrats view it like one... it wasn't written in parables like the Bible.
I didn't come to that conclusion. The question I asked you originally was in relation to blood types and percentages. The conclusion I drew was that he doesn't talk about those things. Based on your previous postings, you do talk about those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
I don't remember actually commenting on that specific question. Nor do I remember if he did or not in either autobiography.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuttyd
Its been a long day and I'm tired. And my wife is in one of those moods where certain middle eastern customs might start to sound reasonable at the moment.
In spite of the recent SCOTUS ruling Holder is going after NC now. Instead of moving on like most of us Holder wants to keep the race war going... in spite of evidence that minority turnout increased after voter ID enacted in Georgia.
I personally think this whole objection to voter ID is just as irrational as the preclearance rule SCOTUS struck down. I'm sure those of with an interest prolonging a racial divide will tell me how discriminatory it is because blacks for some reason can't seem to come up with an ID like most everyone else.Quote:
The federal government will charge that the state was “willfully discriminatory” when it passed the law. Part of that charge is a 2013 analysis by the N.C. Board of Elections, which said that more than 300,000 registered voters did not have a DMV-issued ID.
In addition to asking that the Voter ID law be struck down, the Justice Department is seeking to have North Carolina put back on the “preclearance” list that requires the federal government to approve changes to voter laws.
North Carolina NAACP held a protest in Raleigh NC yesterday to protest among other things ,voter photo id laws.
Multitude at 'Moral March' protest NC GOP policies - News-Record.com: News
Before the protest ,they published a list of Do's and Don'ts for the rally . Most are practical suggestions designed to keep the rally safe and peaceful . However ,there is one ironic suggestion in the "Do's " list .... scroll down to suggestion 9
http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net...pdf?1390857331
You just can't make this stuff up.
Hello again, wrongwingers:
Because I DON'T think being required to show an ID in order to VOTE is legal or fair, means that I think carrying an ID anywhere is stupid..
To THINK, that's what we THINK, is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.. I'm not making THAT up.
excon
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