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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

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A Marist poll found that 53% of the residents of Manhattan -- that island in elitist, unreal America where the thing will actually be built -- are solidly in support of the "Ground Zero Mosque," with 31% opposed and 16% undecided.

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"Elitist, unreal America"??

Ergo, real, non-elitist America is the poll we should go by?

I admit to a little confusion re your comment.

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Originally Posted by Athos

I think the analogy is weak.

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Hello again, Athos:

I tried to pick a right you had a stake in. I guess not. Are there NONE you'd fight for? That's sad.

excon

Plus side to al lof this IS the New York Unions... any that will be allowed ot work in Manhattan WILL be in solidarity with the Firefighters, and Police that died on 9/11.

I can't believe ANY union would allow that to be built on that site.

New York Union members are real hardasses. THey take Unions VERY seriously. Like I mentioned... I personally know a Lot of Teamsters in Manhattan. If the terrorist lovers try to bring in outsiders its going to get violent and ugly real fast... and the other Unions will shut down Manhattan if the Mob doesn't "make them an offer they can't refuse".

I will host a Bar-B-Que party in honor of any person that takes down any Mosque that's built on that site IF any is built.

I'm entitled to do that, freedom of speech and all. And its NOT a solicitation of a crime ( I have and want no contact with any principles or agents involved before or after it happens) its purely a celebration of an event I feel strongly in favor of,. and it is doing the USA a favor if they do it.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

What do we call our attack on Iraq in 2003?

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This was an enforcemnt issue for the Un sanctions that were in place and the threats that were being made at the time.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Athos:

I tried to pick a right you had a stake in. I guess not. Are there NONE you'd fight for? That's sad.

excon

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I can see that common sense is not your strong point - neither is reading comprehension.

I SUPPORT their right to build. I made that very clear.

Until you can tone down your hysteria, I won't engage in this discussion with you.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I will host a Bar-B-Que party in honor of any person that takes down any Mosque thats built on that site IF any is built.

I'm entitled to do that, freedom of speech and all. And its NOT a solicitation of a crime ( I have and want no contact with any principles or agents involved before or after it happens) its purely a celebration of an event I feel strongly in favor of, ....and it is doing the USA a favor if they do it.

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Smoothy - be careful. You ARE soliciting a crime. Your disclaimer means nothing.

Freedom of speech is not absolute. Word to the wise.

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Originally Posted by Athos

Until you can tone down your hysteria, I won't engage in this discussion with you.

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Hello again, Athos:

Hysteria?? Dude!

excon

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

This was an enforcemnt issue for the Un sanctions that were in place and the threats that were being made at the time.

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Also... the people that keep harping on that refuse to understand what a Cease Fire is... and what happens when its terms are violated.

All it is, is a time out in a war... th ewar does not end... it is just on hold by mutual agreement. If one party fails to abide by the conditions hostilites continue...


And Agruement two theterminally dense keep dredging up... "but it was 10 years earlier".

One word answers that... KOREA.


The Korean war never ended... its in a long term cease fire.

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Originally Posted by Athos

Smoothy - be careful. You ARE soliciting a crime. Your disclaimer means nothing.

Freedom of speech is not absolute. Word to the wise.

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I'm entitled to celibrate any act committed by someone else.

I in no way am ASKING someone to do that act, I am not financing it, I am not rounding anyone to do it, I am not organising it in any way, in fact there is NO participation at all. I'm not that sort of person. Unless they tried it on MY property then the gloves come off.

I am allowed to celibrate it IF it happens. I am just rounding up party goers. 73% of the population would have to be rounded up if that's the case. Because most of them will be doing the same.

I'm doing the same if Isreal takes out Irans Nuclear bomb program... or takes out Adolf the Iranian idiot that is in office over there via massive voter fraud Obama didn't stand up against.

But trust me I do understand the point you are making, its not lost on me.. there IS a line that one should not cross and its NOT in the END Zone..

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Originally Posted by Athos

I can see that common sense is not your strong point - neither is reading comprehension.

I SUPPORT their right to build. I made that very clear.

Until you can tone down your hysteria, I won't engage in this discussion with you.

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Hello again, A:

It's FINE with me if you choose not to respond, but that's not going to stop me from making mince meat out of you..

You state that you support their right to build, as though I somehow missed the rest of your post where you indicated that you absolutely do NOT support their right to build. I didn't miss it. Being twofaced about the issue, while not clear to you, is clear to everybody else.

Given that you DON'T support it, and you refuse to argue the point, I'm left to believe, like MOST right wingers, that you believe in freedom for YOU, but not for others. That's pretty UN-American, doncha think?

excon

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I will host a Bar-B-Que party in honor of any person that takes down any Mosque thats built on that site IF any is built.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

I'm entitled to celibrate any act commited by someone else..

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Hello, again, smoothy:

Sure you are. But, that's not what you did. What you DID, was offer money or services, in exchange for somebody "taking down" the mosque. That's a crime.

You have trouble with facts, and you're filled with hate. I don't have to point that out to anybody. If they haven't noticed it by now, you just did yourself in.

Hopefully, the NSA won't pick up your threat. I'm certainly not going to tell 'em. By the way, why aren't you pissed off at Bush for taking away your rights to privacy? That way, the LARGE government that YOU support wouldn't BE snooping on us now...

But, you didn't, and they are... Bummer for you, huh?

excon

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Hello, again, smoothy:

Sure you are. But, that's not what you did. What you DID, was offer money or services, in exchange for somebody "taking down" the mosque. That's a crime.

You have trouble with facts, and you're filled with hate. I don't have to point that out to anybody. If they haven't noticed it by now, you just did yourself in.

Hopefully, the NSA won't pick up your threat. I'm certainly not going to tell 'em. By the way, why aren't you pissed off at Bush for taking away your rights to privacy? That way, the LARGE government that YOU support wouldn't BE snooping on us now...

But, you didn't, and they are... Bummer for you, huh?

excon

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Seriously... exactly WHERE is that written without you actually editing a quote.

I can throw a party in honor of Charles Manson... and that's my right, that doesn't mean Charels Manson earned a single dime or he was even invited to it. Only YOU could read that into it... Did Obama claim parties thrown in honor for his inauguration he never attended or was invited to on his income tax returns... after all that's an offer of money or services to him, Even with those he DID attend.

I Bet the costs of not a single one of those were on his tax returns and according to the IRS, the receipt of money or services is considered taxible income, so the great MEssiah is a tax cheat and should be prosecuted by your standards IF that is in fact a legal definition.


Bush didn't take away any of my Privacy, Obama HAS and the left is fine with that, they will give everything to their messiah... including their right to live.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Seriously...exactly WHERE is that written without you actualy editing a quote.

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Hello again, smoothy:

I don't need to cheat to make you look bad.

So, did I miss something, or is this NOT what you said?

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I will host a Bar-B-Que party in honor of any person that takes down any Mosque thats built on that site IF any is built.

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I don't know how you missed it, either.

excon

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Bush didn't take away any of my Privacy, Obama HAS and the left is fine with that, they will give everything to their messiah....including their right to live.

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Umm. Just as a preface to what I am about to write, I am not a leftist and I am not happy with the direction this country is currently taking. Although I know some people here don't feel it is a problem, The Patriot Act has taken away our right to privacy. Even though it received it's initial start under the Clinton Admin after the OK bombing, it really got it's legs under the Bush Admin after 9/11. The Senate and House pushed it through without reading it.

Loss of US Civil Liberties: Patriot Act

:confused: I am not sure how Obama has topped Bush in that department as you suggest.

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Hello again, tom:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; (unless, of course, we don't like what they say)

excon

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Hello again, tom:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; (unless, of course, we don't like what they say)

excon

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Have you ever thought, Ex, the operative word might be congress meaning that others, perhaps states might be able to make such laws and congress because of the prohibition might be unable to prevent them

The debate is not the simplistic one being framed here 'if they have the right to build the Mosque' .It is 'SHOULD they build the Mosque where it is proposed '?

It is an academic given that they have the right to build it .However ,it will not be built in a bubble . It will be built in an area of local and national interest .

Therefore it is equally our right to state our case for opposing the siting of the Mosque where it is proposed ,in an effort to persuade them to change their mind. We are not being faithless to the Constitution for opposing it despite all attempts to frame it otherwise.

Clete ,there are other provisions in the Constitution that reinforce Excon's point .

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Clete ,there are other provisions in the Constitution that reinforce excon's point .

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I don't doubt there are enough provisions to keep this in the courts for years, that might be why there is consideration of building it some place else. -- yah think?