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You couldn't help but question my sincerity? It works both ways dear.
Having insurance doesn't mean you actually get to see a doctor...
America Is Running Out of Doctors - NationalJournal.com
Finally we agree on something.
Then what's the point of this"comprehensive" insurance if you can't see a doc?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Doctors will have to see more people, train a lot more, or hand out more visas to foreign doctors and nurses. What's your idea?
And medical schools will have to make their education more affordable and accessible (but not slipshod).Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Just what we need... more doctors that barely speak the English language.
Nope. Nice Caucasian young people. My nephew would have gone from being a male nurse into being a doctor, but couldn't afford it. He didn't make M.D., but was able to afford becoming an anesthesiologist assistant and makes good money keeping people alive on the operating table.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
It's time we stop pushing the medical specialties (and big money?) and go back to family practice/GPs.
If they are coming from overseas for many of them English is not a strong point for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
They aren't all bad... one of the specialists I see is Indian... and he's one of the top doctors in his field at least in this region.. His English is very good as well.
Most go into specialties because they make more money to pay back their substantial education loans faster. GP's don't make as much and their education costs are almost as high.
All the more reason to include good literacy programs. Old people especially have no patience with doctors who can't speak English very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Most of the Chinese and Indian doctors I've encountered during the past ten years speak better English than I do.Quote:
They aren't all bad... one of the specialists I see is Indian... and he's one of the top doctors in his field at least in this region.. His English is very good as well.
All the more reason for medical schools to become affordable. Do they really need all those deans and vice presidents?Quote:
Most go into specialties because they make more money to pay back their substantial education loans faster. GP's don't make as much and their education costs are almost as high.
that's something they need to deal with in their home countries. I have a knack for dealing with people with broken English or some accents (sorry but I have problems with certain Central American accents or Puerto Rican accents... in English OR Spanish.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I don't know any Chinese doctors, there is a Korean one at the practice my GP is in, saw him when my regular doctor was on vacation and it couldn't wait...He was good in my mind.. My last two dentists were Iranian strangely enough. Different practices. Both spoke excellent English. Actually the last one is still a current one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Or Deans or Presidents making well over a million a year with lavish houses paid for by the school. Lots of fat to be cut in Universities...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
So you are getting lots of foreign doctors it will only get worse when they become the only ones who will work for less.itI seems english isn't essential here, I expect it isn't there either but don't worry chinese doctors understand englishQuote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
They already have to see more patients than optimum to keep their practices in operation... Let's cut the bs. What the left wants is to have all doctors employed by the state .Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Highly undesirable idea, free enterprise in medicine is fine s long as gouging isn't allowed , that's all the state should be concerned with other than competenceQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Free enterprise? That might lead to profits and we can't have that.
What I do is question the quality of their educations...(not CHinese doctors specifically but the others as well) Basically schools nobody knows about.....etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
How do you know they weren't run out of their home countries for being bad doctors for example? How you you really vet them? It's a potiential mine field.
Hello again,
I'm missing something here... EVERYBODY seems to agree that the Cuccinelli race was a referendum on Obamacare. Tom said as much yesterday. Cuccinelli said it this morning his concession speech... . He said his loss by a teeny teeny bit sends a BIG message to Washington, D.C.
I AGREE with him. He LOST. Just like ROMNEY lost. What message does his LOSS send to YOU - that the stuff he FAVORED was BLESSED by the electorate????? I'll bet you DO believe that... You guys keep telling us that Romney's LOSS meant the country DIDN'T want Obamacare... What's different here?
excon
Here's your referendum on Obamacare.
Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval
I explained his loss in greater detail on this comment .
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Had the 3rd party candidate not peeled the vote from Cuccunelli ,he would've won a close race. I also later explained how northern Va. has become a bastion of people who make their living off the Fed Gvt . This has turned Va from a red state to a purple one at best .
Hello again, tom:
I got it.. So, your thinking goes like this: It WAS a referendum on Obamacare.. And, if only a couple things would have been different, he WOULD have won. That's WHY it's a referendum.. Clearly, it means that Obamacare got rammed down peoples throats..
I got it.
excon
Republican rich guys didn't support the Cucc in Northern VA, and if the independent vote hurt the Cucc, explain why they couldn't hold their nose and vote for him, so it was a protest vote from you guys. Or against them both?
Again, here's your referendum on Obamacare. Bush, with the daily death tolls of the war and Katrina gets a one point lead on Obama at this stage of his presidency. And it's going to get worse...
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“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period.”
If you were drowning and someone threw you a lifeline, you would probably throw it back.
At least if someone were drowning I wouldn't throw them a brick.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Maybe we should take after Sean Penn's utopia...
DOCTORS SAY VENEZUELA'S HEALTH CARE IN COLLAPSE
One interesting note from this:
I am shocked, shocked that their private system is so much more capable and that all, count 'em all 10 million public employees use that instead of the state run system. Sounds familiar, the people forcing us to live under Obamacare and in charge of enforcing it don't want it for themselves.Quote:
The private system has just 8,000 of the country's more than 50,000 hospital beds but treats 53 percent of the country's patients, including the 10 million public employees with health insurance.
After sticker shock and provider shock kin into overdrive I do expect this regime to take after them in one area, creating a new cabinet position - Secretary of Supreme Social Happiness .
P.S. My offer still stands, you let us keep our old plans with a third lower premiums, copays, out of pockets, caps and deductibles, the doctors and hospitals we liked and you guys have the new super duper insurance.
Hello again, Steve:
Couple things... Who're you kidding??? That would last as long as nobody got sick and got their policy canceled. Then you'd be CRYING for that super duper insurance..Quote:
My offer still stands, you let us keep our old plans with a third lower premiums, copays, out of pockets, caps and deductibles, the doctors and hospitals we liked and you guys have the new super duper insurance.
The next thing is, when your insurance company won't cover you, taxpayers like ME will. It's VERY un-right winger like of you to FORCE me to pay for YOUR bills.. Isn't it??
Or, would you rather we didn't?
excon
Its not the government picking and choosing, it's the insurance company which you hate. I cannot believe you would take away access to health care for fifty million, to satisfy 4 million. The logic escapes me.
Now I can go for giving those 4 million an exemption by forcing insurance companies to continue policies with no changes if they are currently under care, less than a million I think(not sure), but maybe a case by case assessment rather than a broad sweeping delay is indicated. Sticker shock and confusion is not enough to throw 50 million people under the bus just yet, not in the first 30 days.
@Ex, great point.
Do you guys have a meeting every day to go over your talking points? Asked and answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
a) the first point is bullsh*t, everyone knows it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
b) your next point has no basis in reality.
Great NON answer on two points.
While you stated you hate insurance companies as much as the government, you clearly come down for the junk insurance and sticker shock you blame on government.
You exploit a twofer to excuse your lack of depth on the issue, and ignore the benefit to 50 million people for the initial reaction to a complex situation.
There were of course other factors in the race besides Obamacare . What I said was that he closed the gap in the last 2 weeks because of the Obamacare backlash. Anyway there is no way that a 1 point race can be considered a referendum on anything .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Christy's win sent a strong message though. He will be a tough candidate if he wins the republican nomination.
And you pose as an expert on finances, health care and integrity yet think the crap sandwich with extravagantly higher costs to the consumer and fewer choices of providers we were lied to about is a better deal. Chew on that a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Dude, in light of how we got here I think if I were you I would refrain from accusing others of exploitation.Quote:
You exploit a twofer to excuse your lack of depth on the issue, and ignore the benefit to 50 million people for the initial reaction to a complex situation.
I think the plan could be better but the alternative we have lived with for years is unsustainable as is whatever alternatives you, the TParty, or most republicans have suggested so far.
To bad Mitt ran away from his own plan. The reality is we are here, and need to get beyond it. Another thing is while I am no expert, I am experienced. VERY experienced.
As am I , from the professional side, the consumer side and the total crap that is Medicaid.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
What do you have against Medical insurance for poor people? Often working poor people? Or poor kids of working poor people?
What do you have against the truth? You just keep making sh*t up to make us look mean, enough already. I mean for cryin' out loud I have a disabled daughter battling HIV and cancer living in my home on SSI, a paltry 60 or 70 a month in food stamps and Medicaid that no one takes. We have 2 good hospitals, 2 or 3 cancer centers and there is 1 doctor she can see that reluctantly accepts Medicaid for her cancer care.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Don't preach to me about not caring about the plight of others, I live it every freakin' day! When are you going to get that through your thick skull?
I sincerely hope you and your family get through this troubling time with positive outcomes my friend. I would be angry too if I walked in your shoes.
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