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Maybe Obama can borrow some of Romney's binders
Stuck? I'm not the one working overtime trying to convince us that a contraceptive isn't really a contraceptive. But your side has issues with that, a conservative woman isn't really a woman, a conservative black isn't really black, and apparently some contraceptives aren't really contraceptives.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Nothing you've said changes the meaning of contraceptive use being "virtually universal."
No more silly than being called a racist for saying the word "basketball" or "golf."Quote:
I gave you a link to the job descriptions and titles as well as the pay, and they were well within equal work for equal pay standards so your race baiting is plain silly.
Hello again,
There you go again, we hate women and clean air, blah, blah, blah. I love both, I also love children... they aren't disposable.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
No, the graphic is about about regulating. Where did you get "hate" from?Quote:
we hate women and clean air
I know you love kids Speech, and women too, but most of them want you to stay out of their business. The have a right to an abortion, you think they don't.
And their children have a right to life.
Yes, anyone with half a brain knows that's the implication. Do you have at least half a brain?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Why do Republicans hate clean air, clean water?
Republicans Hate Clean Air And Water
Republicans Hate Women
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Well over 93% of
Republicans lie (lie a lot)
Republicans hate fair pay for women
Republicans hate fair elections
Republicans hate socialist firemen
Republicans hate socialist teachers
Republicans hate socialist policemen
Republicans hate the middle class
Republicans hate the environment
Republicans hate clean water
Republicans hate clean air
Republicans hate the gays
Republicans hate women
Republicans hate abortions
Republicans hate contraception
Republicans hate social security
Republicans hate health care
Republicans hate healthy people
Republicans hate disabled people
Republicans hate war veterans
Republicans hate poor people
Republicans hate smart people
Republicans hate students
Republicans hate seniors
Republicans hate blacks
Republicans hate kenyans
Republicans hate mexicans
Republicans hate latinos
Republicans hate native americans
Republicans hate muslims
Republicans hate arabs
Republicans hate atheists
Republicans hate science
Republicans hate facts
Republicans hate art
Republicans hate libraries
Republicans hate government ?
Hello tom;
Not according to present LAW.. I thought you wingers were the LAW and ORDER party. No, huh?? It depends on WHAT law, huh?Quote:
and their children have a right to life.
Didn't you tell me on another thread that law abiding right wingers would NEVER carry their weapons onto a NO GUN zone because they're soooooooo righteous and law abiding??
You DID tell me that... But, you wingers don't mind undermining a woman's LEGAL rights... How do you deal with THAT hypocrisy?
Excon
What are you talking about ? I'm trying to change the law because the law is an unconstitutional violation of their baby's rights. What ? You don't think I have that right to have that opinion ;and to do what is in my power to change it ?
You can divine implication all day but that doesn't make you right. The graphic clearly uses the word "regulate".Quote:
Yes, anyone with half a brain knows that's the implication. Do you have at least half a brain?
BTW your personal attacks are getting tedious, better tone it down.
Hello again, tom:
You have the right to CHANGE the law through the legislative process. You DON'T have the right to pass laws that INTERFERE with SUPERIOR laws. That is just SO. THOSE laws are ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL...
For example, there's some NEW anti abortion laws dealing with the physical parameters of the building.. The INTENT of those laws is to INTERFERE with a women's RIGHTS. It's NOT about buildings.
That isn't how we do things in this great land of ours.. In fact, those actions are UNCONSTITUTIONAL actions. Just like you're chipping away at the Civil Rights Act with voter suppression laws is UNCONSTITUTIONAL...
Law and order party... Yeah, right.
excon
Yes master, it was just a question, don't be so sensitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
So you agree the contraceptive mandate is unconstitutional, because my right to freedom of religion is SUPERIOR to regulatory overreach.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I knew it, you think your rights are superior to a woman's rights. That's not so, sorry. The church is not the law, nor are your beliefs. Neither should be imposing their BELIEFS on others who have different beliefs.
We all have a right to practice our beliefs within the law. Women have a right to abortions, and insurance companies must provide contraceptives to those they cover. That's the law. And it was ruled constitutional despite your beliefs that it isn't.
You don't believe in contraceptives, then don't use them. Don't stop me though because I do believe in them as a better choice than abortions. Now if giving up MY rights as a condition of employment for the church, then pay me and I will get my own insurance that meets MY needs. Of course the church would never do something so reasonable because they rather you do as they say according to THEIR beliefs.
I don't believe the church or anyone's belief should be above the law. Especially when they disregard my rights under the law. That's religious OVER REACH in my book. How is that okay?
I've never seen such convoluted thinking, Tal, not to mention outright fantasy. It's as simple as this, I have a constitutional right to religious freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
No one has a constitutional right to free contraceptives and again, you are the only one imposing anything on anyone by forcing the church to bow to the god of government and capitulate to YOUR beliefs.Quote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
I mean really, how do you come up with this nonsense?
How is mandating insurance companies to carry contraceptives prohibiting the free exercise of your religion?
... especially when it prohibits free exercise of mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
So do those who work for the church don't they?Quote:
It's as simple as this, I have a constitutional right to religious freedom.
They have a right to equal protection under the law.Quote:
No one has a constitutional right to free contraceptives and again,
The government is not a god, just a vehicle to write and apply the laws equally and protect ALL its citizens no matter what individual beliefs they have or don't have.Quote:
you are the only one imposing anything on anyone by forcing the church to bow to the god of government and capitulate to YOUR beliefs.
The law applies to employers with 50 employees. The church does take out payroll taxes don't they?? Stop crying until the exemption language comes out. Since you believe any bodies rights except yours and your church is a fantasy.
Fact is free contraceptives is a benefit of the insurance policy you have. The insurance policy is a benefit in place of cash/salary. Just saying.
Exactly how does not buying your contraceptives prohibit your exercise of religion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Do they worship condoms or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Fine, we won't pay for contraceptives for men either.Quote:
They have a right to equal protection under the law.
40 something organizations are suing to stop this intrusion you seem to think is imaginary.Quote:
The law applies to employers with 50 employees. The church does take out payroll taxes don't they?? Stop crying until the exemption language comes out. Since you believe any bodies rights except yours and your church is a fantasy.
And you still seem to be deluded about who's paying for this benefit. I'm just saying.Quote:
Fact is free contraceptives is a benefit of the insurance policy you have. The insurance policy is a benefit in place of cash/salary. Just saying.
Oh is that the justification for your objection? That the insurance company, who covers thousands of medications and procedures, adds one more item to the list and that's the tipping point?Quote:
And you still seem to be deluded about who's paying for this benefit. I'm just saying.
But what if they never, ever use that service or product? In the same way that they may never use a hundred of other services and products.
How does my getting them under an insurance plan violate yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Answered many times, you first on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
It's always been the tipping point, where have you been? You should read up from the beginning of the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Good luck with that.
Yeah, I knew you wouldn't read the thread, but you should read this..Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Hobby Lobby lost their case on those grounds. Good luck.
You already have an amendment:
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The administration allowed a religious exemption. The exemption applies to church organizations themselves
"The new rule must be issued by March 31, 2013."
Hobby Lobby is not a church, but then neither is Domino's Pizza and they won an injunction.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
So back to square one, you must also agree now that the constitution is ABOVE the mandate now that I've reminded you that the courts are requiring the administration to codify the exemptions as opposed to promising with their fingers crossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hobby Lobby's owners are religious.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I interned at Catholic Charities and was asked to work there after graduation. I am Lutheran and was on birth control pills at the time.
Yes, but the relevance is as a response to NK's quote " The exemption applies to church organizations themselves."Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Hobby Lobby is not a church.
A) Who paid for them?Quote:
I interned at Catholic Charities and was asked to work there after graduation. I am Lutheran and was on birth control pills at the time.
B) Still waiting to know how not buying your contraceptives violates your religious freedom.
I know they aren't. I mentioned it because unless you're a church (who has the exemption) you face a losing battle. That's why I wished you 'good luck' in your venture.Quote:
Yes, but the relevance is as a response to NK's quote " The exemption applies to church organizations themselves."
Hobby Lobby is not a church.
It seems like a lot of wasted effort in my opinion.
I guess you missed the part where Domino's won an injunction. There is no such thing as wasted effort to defend my constitutional rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
It goes beyond a church's rights . Free exercise is primarily an individual's right .
Exactly.
Hello wingers:
Don't look over here. Look over THERE. Obama hasn't chosen a women. Now, THAT'S a war on women, all right...
You DO know a war involves MORE than 10 or 12 people, don't you?? Nahhh, you DON'T know that... YOUR war, of course, is being waged against 150 MILLION women, and you've got the balls to call what he's doing a war... If you guys weren't so pathetic, you'd be silly.
excon
Dominos isn't involved as the former owner is suing on behalf of his new buiness, real estate development.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Get your facts straight. And to be clear the injunction is temporary pending a final ruling. It delays the inevitable, for profit businesses must obey the law. The mandate has already been ruled constitutional so good luck trying to overturn it.Quote:
That confusion led the current Domino's owners to release a statement declaring that the company “has never supported organizations on either side of the reproductive rights issue. The corporation and its 1,825 independent franchise owners across the world have one goal: to sell pizzas and grow our market share.”
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