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Hello again, Steve:

I didn't say it wasn't without glitches, and isn't in need of tweaking.. I said it was WORKING. I said it's the LAW of the land, NEVER to be repealed. I said it's DOING what it's supposed to do, and it IS.

It's the BIGGEST piece of progressive legislation in a GENERATION, and Obama will go down in history as the one who made it happen. THAT'S why you hate it, and that's why you'll ALWAYS hate it.

But, it's OVER. You LOST.

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Don't tell me why I do why I do. I hate it because I hate big government. I hate it because I LOVE freedom. I hate it because government SUCKS at most everything, and if you can't see that now you're just plain stupid. I hate it because it's making me POORER instead of SAVING me money as promised. If you think this is GOOD, you really need to look again, because THIS is a freakin' JOKE.

Yeah it's probably here to stay .Ted Cruz warned us that Jan 2014 was a hard deadline and he was right . We are consigned to fix the damage as best we can . As I stated already today . The best strategery is to repeal immediately the insurance company bailout provisions of the law that Marco Rubio warned us about a couple of months ago . Then the law will wither on the vine when no insurance providers ,and no health care providers are willing to play in the charade anymore .

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I said it's the LAW of the land,

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flashback 1933 "prohibition is the law of the land and it's here to stay"

Hello again, tom:

Flashforward to Romney. "Once you give 'em stuff, you'll NEVER get it away from them".

excon

yeah freebees

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Hello again, tom:

I could have said the SAME thing another way. However, I'm NOT sure you'll so readily agree.

Once people secure their RIGHTS, you'll NEVER take them away...

excon

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Just a cartoon (I hope).

The right to free birth control. I somehow doubt the framers could find that in the constitution.

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Once people secure their RIGHTS, you'll NEVER take them away...

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You have case law that says you have a right to blood pressure meds? Or cholesterol drugs? Or Chemotherapy?

it's a right until the government decides to take it away . The government decided to starve Terri Schiavo to death.

Hello again, right wing friends:

Last year, the right wing fought against IMPLEMENTING Obamacare. You LOST. In the short run, it's NOT going to be repealed. In the LONG run, it's only going to be repealed IF the Republicans control all three branches of government. That doesn't look especially promising, in my view.

Therefore, short of WAITING until and/or IF you EVER get that majority, what would you suggest to FIX Obamacare?

I think you got NOTHING.. You were ALL IN, and you LOST. Tort reform and buying insurance across state lines is TOAST!!!! It AIN'T gonna happen. I KNOW you want to get back in the game, but waiting for something that may NEVER happen is NOT the way to govern. I know you THINK it is, but you're WRONG.

Over to you, wingers.

excon

Hello again, C:

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You have case law that says you have a right to blood pressure meds? Or cholesterol drugs? Or Chemotherapy?

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Better than that, I have the 9th Amendment to the Constitution.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, right wing friends:

Last year, the right wing fought against IMPLEMENTING Obamacare. You LOST. In the short run, it's NOT going to be repealed. In the LONG run, it's only going to be repealed IF the Republicans control all three branches of government. That doesn't look especially promising, in my view.

Therefore, short of WAITING until and/or IF you EVER get that majority, what would you suggest to FIX Obamacare?

I think you got NOTHING.. You were ALL IN, and you LOST. Tort reform and buying insurance across state lines is TOAST!!!! It AIN'T gonna happen. I KNOW you want to get back in the game, but waiting for something that may NEVER happen is NOT the way to govern. I know you THINK it is, but you're WRONG.

Over to you, wingers.

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Still cheerleading for this 'Heritage Foundation' authored plan largely lifted from Romneycare ? .....this sell out to insurance companies ? Yeah this unfolding catastrophe the progressives foisted on the nation will require fixing .
Your solution is single payer top down gvt. run health care industry . Mine is free market.

The free market is the entire delivery system. What you want Tom, is an unfettered free market that lets the private insurance industry kick people off and can cap benefits, and tell doctors and hospitals what the patient can, and can't have. The risk corridor clause isn't a bailout, it's a transitional adjustment period that can go either way between win and lose profit for insurance OR the government defined in a 3 year window.

It's a price control mechanism that PROTECTS both consumer, and private business interests equally. They make profits we get benefits. They make too much prices go down, too little prices go up. But of course a supply side capitalist such as yourself ONLY believes in unfettered, unregulated, private markets and the hell with the DEMAND side of the economic equation.

'unfettered' is a progressive dog whistle . Free market would reduce the influence of the insurance companies which only gained their place in our system because of government mandates in the 1st place.

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Hello again, C:Better than that, I have the 9th Amendment to the Constitution.

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The thing is that when the founders authored the 9th amendment ,they did not consider any of the so called positive rights . They were concerned with the things that government was restricted from doing . The founders would've thought it inconcievable that a right would be based on plundering the wealth of someone else in the country . That's what monarchies were good at doing ...not a nation of free people . The only way to create positive rights was by personal consent, usually contract ;or if involuntary on one parties part ,by coercion

The premise that the people/citizens of America have less rights to define policy and principle, and their own rights is absurd, no matter what the founders were thinking. The 9th amendment is NOT the exclusive domain of corporations or business people, even if corporation are people too.

Are you really saying that RIGHTS are applied to some, and not others? Show me that in the constitution. If we can hove a musket up a KINGS arse, we can damn sure shove one up a capitalists corporatist congress's arse too!!!

have no idea what you are talking about .If there is a thing as a positive right ,it is secured by the people through law ;within the confines of the enumerated powers . What is absurd is that the "people" have a "right " to blood pressure meds,cholesterol drugs, chemotherapy . That right is only secured under the assumption that someone has to willingly or unwillingly provide that service.

The ACA is the law, and rules of how the rights of consumers and business are applied. That why the private insurance companies are revving up a multi-million dollar ad campaign for enrolling millions of people. Government/private venture for health care.

You have failed to stop the program, and still refuse to get with the program, until the benefits you conservatives get roll your way. And they have.

yawn... you keep repeating that ..my coverage is exactly the same as last year except it costs more. Waiting for the real hammer to come when the employer mandate is enacted .