How high it goes is not the determining factor of what makes something a scandal. It doesn't have to get to the president to make this an intentional abuse of power against American citizens.

But I get it, as long as the cause is furthered libs can excuse all manner of abuses and really bad behavior.

Hello again, Steve:

If calling for them to be jailed, is excusing them for all manner of abuse, then our problem goes deeper than politics..

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Hello again, Steve:

If calling for them to be jailed, is excusing them for all manner of abuse, then our problem goes deeper than politics..

excon

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I responded to this part, "But, I'm waiting for a connection to the White House... Then, and ONLY then will it be a scandal.. Right now it's just right wingers flapping their gums about bad government."

It was scandal from day one and intentional abuse of power for political purposes is not just "bad government." "Bad government" is sending the SWAT team to storm an animal shelter to euthanize Bambi. This has much more serious implications but since it's Obama it's just Wingers flapping their gums about another 'phony' scandal.

By the way, if there's nothing to see here then the Most Transparent Administration Ever should stop stonewalling and give the committee what they've asked for.

Issa Blasts Acting IRS Chief for Slow Pace, Will Subpoena Documents | National Review Online

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So, he's finally going to get tough??

Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha.

Excon

I'll give Ex his due.. the Republican leadership needs to grow a spine. They should have created a select committee with subpoena powers and the power to convene a grand jury by now . All these 'scandals' are being "investigated" by Congressional staffers with other responsibilities where they should be investigated by professional prosecutors . There is too much stove piping and too much turf protection. Time to consolidate these investigations by Congress handing them over to a select committee that pressures the Justice Dept to appoint an independent prosecutor. Defund Holder's office and staff until they comply.

What are you smokin, Tom

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If I was the ranking member of House Oversight Committee, and I BELIEVED the administration was corrupt, I'd use EVERY tool I had at my disposal, and I'd have used them LONG before now.

However, if I KNEW there was nothing there, I'd do a little dance.

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Hello again, tom:
If I was the ranking member of House Oversight Committee, and I BELIEVED the administration was corrupt, I'd use EVERY tool I had at my disposal, and I'd have used them LONG before now.

However, if I KNEW there was nothing there, I'd do a little dance.

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I don't think that's the issue. Issa is doing what he can. He needs Bonehead to end his resistance to the creation of a select committee empowered with the tools you say Issa has. The fact is that even something as narrowly defined as an Oversight committee still has many other issues to deal with.. A select committee empowered to singularly investigate the IRS ,or Benghazi ,or the WH targeting of the press ,or the NSA's abuse of power... all staffed with experienced investigators former prosecutors ,attorneys ,would move things along much better.

And bog everything down in years of evidence. One of the bureaucratic tools to avoid scrutiny is the inquiry. Haven't you fellows ever watched Yes Minister or Yes Prime Minister. British satire at its best but right on the money

And yet if there's nothing there they would stop stonewalling and turn over the un-redacted goods.

Here is video of Louis Lerner in 2010 discussing the political pressure brought to the IRS to stop the flow of money into the election process as a result of the Citizens United decision .

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"the Supreme Court dealt it a huge blow, overturning a hundred year old precedent that said basically corporations can give directly in political campaigns."... "Everyone is up in arms because they don't like it".. "Federal Election Commission can't do anything about it; they want the IRS to fix the problem."... "So everybody is screaming at us right now 'Fix it now before the election. Can't you see how much these people are spending?'"

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Lois Lerner Discusses Political Pressure on IRS in 2010 - YouTube

I wonder who was putting political pressure on the IRS . Not everyone objected to corporate spending . Maybe it was coming from the White House ? Maybe the emperor made it a point to mention it in his weekly radio address saying it would "open the floodgates" to special interest advertising in elections. Maybe it was the emperor who attacked SCOTUS openly during his SOTU address before a joint session of Congress?

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Pounding his hand on his pedestal, the President emphasized again that simple bringing transparency to this kind of spending is about as common-sense as you can get:

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President Obama on Citizens United: "Imagine the Power This Will Give Special Interests Over Politicians" | The White House

By the way ,Lerner illegally handed over confidential IRS taxpayer data to the FEC .That is probably why she took the 5th amendment in Congressional testimony. There is supposedly an on going criminal investigation . Does anyone think she did any of this stuff on her own ? Who was the quarterback ?

And this isn't even an election year

Yes it is as both the 2014,and the 2016 campaigns have started in earnest, and the media is craving the advertising dollar from politicians.

The right has to have as many scandals a they can to distract us from the non governing of the congress and keep the base all in a frenzy to keep the power they have and expand it further. Without them squealing for repeal of everything, their would be no news.

THe non governing it taking place in the White House and the obstruction tactics of Harry Ried... Chickenhawk.

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Yes it is as both the 2014,and the 2016 campaigns have started in earnest, and the media is craving the advertising dollar from politicians.

The right has to have as many scandals a they can to distract us from the non governing of the congress and keep the base all in a frenzy to keep the power they have and expand it further. Without them squealing for repeal of everything, their would be no news.

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Add opposed to mythical wars on women and lies about who's in control of two out of the branches of government.

Your words and actions are obvious and makes a sham of your denial on the assault on the rights of many so let people judge for themselves whether they trust you guys with their lives.

And as we see and have learned the obstruction of and by the minority can clog up the works so nothing gets done except hollering and screaming and blame. Its called gridlock, and has happened to both parties for years.

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Let me know when you find out...

Yaaaaaaawn!

By the way, if I was the head of Oversight Committee, I'd KNOW what Lois Lerner knows, because I wouldn't treat her with kid gloves... I wonder why Issa is doing that?

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Your words and actions are obvious and makes a sham of your denial on the assault on the rights of many so let people judge for themselves whether they trust you guys with their lives.

And as we see and have learned the obstruction of and by the minority can clog up the works so nothing gets done except hollering and screaming and blame. Its called gridlock, and has happened to both parties for years.

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You crack me up. Some day you should listen to yourself.

I am as amused as you are sometimes when you condone what your conservative state legislatures do and yet you say there is no war on women and minorities going on. Protecting the unborn, and being fiscally responsible by cutting food stamps and Medicaid is a sham, that we can all see through. Direct assaults on women and children.

That's being a bully when the strong pick on the weak.