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Originally Posted by smoothy

Except Zimmerman was a resident there....and.had the right to walk around...and the fact 911 call center operators aren't the police or agents of the court and have no legal authority to demand anyone do anything...all they can do is suggest.

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I think it all boils down to the gun. Had Zimmerman not had one, he would have stayed in his vehicle and let the police do their job. Because he had one, that gave him the courage to do his own investigating.

Via a coworker, "America, the only place where a brown guy can shoot a black guy and a white guy gets blamed for it."

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I think it all boils down to the gun. Had Zimmerman not had one, he would have stayed in his vehicle and let the police do their job. Because he had one, that gave him the courage to do his own investigating.

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He like many of us other Americans had the right to have a gun... he was licensed to carry it... something with his criminal record Treyvon would never be allowed to do. Had he not attacked the wrong person.

He was under NO legal or moral obligation to stay in his car... the town of Safford has TWICE the average crime rate of the USA... and he rightfully had the duty to do what he could to protect his stuf and his neighbors. He actually had MORE of a right to be walking around that gated community than Treyvon had.

And it all bouild down to a 17 year old punk with a bad attitude and no moral companss biting off more than he could chew. THe concept of "measured response" is a liberal one... and one that has never worked... Korea... Vietnam... and now Iraq and Afghanistan are shining examples of why tying ones hand behind their back to give their opponent a fair fight doesn't work.

A criminal when they attack someone.. needs to think what if they are armed... I might get killed before they decide to go through... and a victim doesn't have to think... I can't use my gun because he doesn't have one... BS... if you are being attacked.. you have the right to use everything at your disposal, rock.. 2X4, steel pipe, knife... or a gun.

As I've said before... I've been there... only it was two people and not just one... I put one in intensive care with a steel bar a witness tossed me... If I had a gun I'd have used it... I've never second guessed my decision or thought about "what if"... because It was my right... and I exercised it.

And 17 year olds are old enough to be charged as adults I'm most cases and are every day.

If someone was nosing around MY back yard or my neighbors... I'd do the same thing.

Even though I'd get a better police response time where I live than in the high crime Safford.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

He like many of us other Americans had the right to have a gun...he was liscensed to carry it...

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I'm just saying the gun ownership made all the difference in Zimmerman's being willing to leave his vehicle. When he first saw him, Zimmerman had no clue who Martin was, his criminal background if any, his age, his reason for being in that place at that time.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I'm just saying the gun ownership made all the difference in Zimmerman's being willing to leave his vehicle. When he first saw him, Zimmerman had no clue who Martin was, his criminal background if any, his age, his reason for being in that place at that time.

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Lets just say... there is a reason Colt was called the Equalizer... no longer did the people born physically smaller (male or female) need to live in fear of the physically larger aggressive bullies of the world.

And quite honestly.. its made the world a better place.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Lets just say...there is a reason Colt was called the Equalizer....no longer did the people born physically smaller (male or female) need to live in fear of the agressive bullies of the world.

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Zimmerman didn't know Martin was going to be an "aggressive bully."

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Zimmerman didn't know Martin was going to be an "aggressive bully."

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That's why you have a concieled carry... in case you need it.

He didn't shoot Treyvon first... he didn't even draw his gun until his head was being bashed into the concrete.

I think Zimmerman expressed great restraint. Far more than I would have.

Zimmerman was hunting bear and he found one as usual they can be aggressive

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Originally Posted by smoothy

he didn't even draw his gun until his head was being bashed into the concrete.

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We have only Zimmerman's report of how it all went down.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

zimmerman was hunting bear and he found one as usual they can be aggressive

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Well if the bear had stayed in the woods... it would still be pooping in the woods.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

We have only Zimmerman's report of how it all went down.

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No... we have eye witness reports... we have Treyvons girlfriend who was talking to treyvon when he assaulted Zimmerman.. and SHE told the world that Treyvon instigated the fight... as a prosecution witness.
With the famous.. "I'm going to teach that crazy white cracker a lesson". Which also showed Treyvon was a racist.

We have ample evidence that backs up 100% of all of it.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

No...we have eye witness reports...

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We have no idea of what happened after Zimmerman left his vehicle and what he said to Martin and what Martin may have said to him that then led to the physical confrontation.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

We have no idea of what happened after Zimmerman left his vehicle and what he said to Martin and what Martin may have said to him that then led to the physical confrontation.

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We do... you might not but all of this is public information... the jury saw it... Treyvons girlfriend testified about it and the video is out there... we do know what happened.

Treyvons girlfriend was talking to him when he said some creapy white cracker was following him and he was going to teach him a lesson... thats what Treyvon told her... thats what she told the world.

THere is no doubt Treyvon was the aggressor... the contents of his cellphone that the prosecution withheld from the defense as evidence (the IT guy released them after the trial and was fired for doing it. Show treyvon was a burgler... had photos of him with piles a stolen jewelry on his bed , there were numerous texts about him causing fights... etc.

There is more proof available to the public Treyvon instigated this and was the criminal he is reported to be,. than than that Obama ever attended Harvard.

I don't get the problem here there was a hearing and for whatever reason zimmerman was acquitted. Is someone trying to clear trayvon's somewhat dubious reputation?

You know the left can't let anything go.. they are using this to project all their issues into the debate ;gun control ,stand your ground laws ,racism... etc. Even the emperor said that it was unlikely that they would pursue civil rights prosecution against Zimmerman despite the pressure being put to bear by the race baiters. Friday the emperor made a fairly presidential address on the case because he feared massive demonstrations on the Al Sharpton 100 city day of outrage. Well this nation is post-racial and there was nothing there . The majority of the country knows this is all just a lot of smoke blowing .

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Originally Posted by paraclete

I don't get the problem here there was a hearing and for whatever reason zimmerman was acquited. Is someone trying to clear trayvon's somewhat dubious reputation?

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In a nutshell... there is a certain crowd that believes no black person in the history of the earth has ever committed a trqansgression much less a crime...

And they want Zimmerman who isn't a black to pay for a crime that never happened. Just because they think they are owed something. Guilt or innocence mean nothing to this crowd.

In another time these are the people who lynched people and burned witches at the stake.

You and I know its always the white guys fault

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Originally Posted by tomder55

you know the left can't let anything go.

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Oh yeah, they can let their perverts off the hook.

Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint - WSJ.com

Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey has been indicted by a citizens' grand jury, convening in Ocala, Florida, over the alleged falsification of the arrest warrant and complaint that lead to George Zimmerman being charged with the second degree murder of African-American teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida.

The indictment of Corey, which was handed down last week (see Citizens Grand Jury), charges Corey with intentionally withholding photographic evidence of the injuries to George Zimmerman's head in the warrant she allegedly rushed to issue under oath, in an effort to boost her reelection prospects. At the outset of this case, black activists such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who whipped up wrath against Zimmerman, demanded that he be charged with murder, after local police had thus far declined to arrest him pending investigation.

Following Corey's criminal complaint charging Zimmerman, legal experts such as Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz condemned her for falsely signing an arrest affidavit under oath, which intentionally omitted exculpatory evidence consisting of the photographs showing the injuries Zimmerman sustained, and rushing to charge him with second degree murder under political pressure. Dershowitz called her actions unethical and themselves crimes (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/d...murder-charge- article-1.1080161).

Yeah nice going Florida, Zimmerman and gangbanger kill and go free, but an abused mom gets 20 years. Alec and conservatives are lousy law makers and obviously apply the law by the most stupid of standards.